Ron Paul: "They're Terrorists Because We're Occupiers".

[Kalam]

You've shown that radical Muslims are hypocrites, nothing more.

They live like kafirs; they aren't Muslims.

Show me an imam who preaches that drinking alcohol and going to strip clubs is acceptable behavior.

Not that it matters, but WRT alcohol, I trust you've never heard of a man called Abu Hanifah?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Was he not the voice for the Sunna, those who followed the middle way? I do not know much about him, but I understand that his "traditions" are to be taken very carefully.

 

[Kalam]

Was he not the voice for the Sunna, those who followed the middle way? I do not know much about him, but I understand that his "traditions" are to be taken very carefully.

The legal opinions of Abu Hanifah and the eponymous Hanafi school of jurisprudence represent what can be considered mainstream thought in Sunni Islam; the school is the oldest, the most widely followed, and usually the most liberal. Because the explicit reference in the Qur'an is to wine, Abu Hanifah ruled that other alcoholic beverages can be allowed in small, non-intoxicating amounts. Scholars that came after him have all but done away with this judgment, however.

 

[CMike]

I don't care if some slimey piece of shit palestinian terrorists who attack buses, market places, and restaurants, think of american policy.

In fact, if they mess with the US, by attacking america, the next american foreign policy decision should be to destroy them.

 

[The Rabbi]

Of course not. Radical Islam and the West are engaged in a war. We see this in Europe where western countries are barely supportive of Israel. The Muslims riot to protest things like cartoons and lack of jobs, not support for Israel.

Naive perceptions of Islam and Muslims such as this have been the driving force behind years of failed Western foreign policies in the Middle East. Muslim immigrants protesting job shortages do so because they're poor and unemployed; to pretend that their religious beliefs are anything but incidental is stupid.

One picture is worth a thousand words.

Yes, it is merely incidental that European authors who write disparagingly about Islam now have to go into hiding or have their throats cut.

 

[The Rabbi]

You've shown that radical Muslims are hypocrites, nothing more.

They live like kafirs; they aren't Muslims.

Show me an imam who preaches that drinking alcohol and going to strip clubs is acceptable behavior.

Not that it matters, but WRT alcohol, I trust you've never heard of a man called Abu Hanifah?

Which is funny because "hanifus" in Hebrew means something like flattery to gain advantage.
And it would come as some surprise I am sure for them to hear they aren't Muslims.

 

[eots]

Perhaps you should do a little more research on the expansion of Islam from the 7th century to present day. When you have done that, what do you see? Take note of how the current lands occupied by Islamic governments were converted to Islam. Take note of the manner in which they were converted. Then, for bonus points, overlay that knowledge with the tactics employed today, the lands that are in dispute and how those lands came into dispute.

And for extra credit, explain why it is that Osama bin ducking started his jihad against the United States. I have a hint for you. It had nothing to do with occupation.

Do place that in context with the Christian taking of the Americas, and Africa, and Asia. It is called imperialism.

yes, because Christians are flying planes into buildings today, placing explosives in their shoes and underwear today and cutting off the heads of reporters, today along with a thousand other assorted terrorist incidents.

If you want context, then you should at least keep up with the context of the conversation you are involving yourself in.

no are Christian leaders are way beyond petty little shoe and underwear bombs ..they are capable of dishing out death on a massive scale ..all built on lies..then they send our finest sons and daughters off to do thier dirty work under the belief if they die committing such acts they will go into a kingdom in the clouds to sit next to god.. in a land of milk and honey



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but hey..it was good for a laugh..

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[JakeStarkey]

eots misuses AL's quote above in his signature line, I think. Correct me if I am wrong. A good explanation of the quote in full can be found at The Claremont Institute - The Case Against Secession.

 

[Contumacious]

I don't care for libertarianism; it is too lazy for real consideration. However, I admire Ron Paul for his integrity of position.

I'm not sure I've ever heard libertarianism called lazy. Care to explain?

While Libertarianism recognizes the right to be left alone , statism is not lazy, they are always looking for way to **** individuals up. He likes that better.

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[JakeStarkey]

Very poor analysis, Contumacious. If Polanski had to depend on you, he will never get out of the hole.

 

[Contumacious]

So he really thinks if we pull out of everywhere, the terrorists are instantly going to love us? If he does, I've got some oceanfront property in Arizona he may be interested in.

I would suggest the number of those who would want to harm the US would drop dramatically, just like I'm sure the number increased when you invaded Afghanistan and Iraq...

Let's see,

After 911 there wasn't another terrorist attack in 7 years, because Pres. Bush took the war on Al Qaida seriously.

Obama, on the other hand, has not taken it seriously and we have had 3 terrorist attacks, within the US, in a year.

Really?

I thought the reason was that the US was fast becoming yet another police state banana republic.

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[rdean]

This is why Ron Paul is an idiot.

Terrorists hate us because of our culture, music, clothing, loose morals, and religion, and our support of Israel

Culture
Music
Clothing
Loose morals
lack of religion.

The right in this country hate us for exactly the same reasons. Odd that.

Actually? That isn't correct. The Right encourages Liberty. It's when Forced acceptance thorough legislation is employed do we raise the Red Flag.

Remember the Tenants of the Founding? Life, Liberty, The persuit of happiness?

Again? When issues are forced upon a Society particuliarally from a minority infringes on liberty? You'll hear from us.

Let's get this correct, eh?

Perhaps you could explain that to the gays. I'm sure they'll agree. They even want to join the military and fight for American Freedom, and would, if they were allowed.

 

[blu]

Actually? That isn't correct. The Right encourages Liberty.

tell that to atheists, gays/lesbians/transvestites, weed smokers, muslims, protestors, anti-war groups, public schools, colleges, people who speak out against the military, anyone who criticizes bush, people standing in free speech zones, those locked away without representation due to the patriot act, those who were served letters and can't tell their family due to the PA, those who had their house searched when they weren't home due to the PA, those who have had their phone calls & internet comm spied on and recorded without reason or warrant (every american), etc, etc, etc

2000-2008 has shown that the gop and what is now considered "the right" hates liberty and will get usa citizens & the world to bend to their well now matter how many liberties are stripped away or people have to die in the process.

 

[rdean]

Actually? That isn't correct. The Right encourages Liberty.

tell that to atheists, gays/lesbians/transvestites, weed smokers, muslims, protestors, anti-war groups, public schools, colleges, people who speak out against the military, anyone who criticizes bush, people standing in free speech zones, those locked away without representation due to the patriot act, those who were served letters and can't tell their family due to the PA, those who had their house searched when they weren't home due to the PA, those who have had their phone calls & internet comm spied on and recorded without reason or warrant (every american), etc, etc, etc

2000-2008 has shown that the gop and what is now considered "the right" hates liberty and will get usa citizens & the world to bend to their well now matter how many liberties are stripped away or people have to die in the process.

But the GOP is "modest". That is the reason they voted against the billions in funding for home land home security. They wanted to stop the "full body scan" because it shows their "kibbles and bits".

 

[uscitizen]

Ahh the body scan would uncover a multitude of "shortcomings"

 

[eots]

his parents warned them..he had no passport..how about we just utilize the Intel and security measures already in place before we surrender more of our liberty for security ?

 

[blu]

his parents warned them..he had no passport..how about we just utilize the Intel and security measures already in place before we surrender more of our liberty for security ?

funny enough but ron paul got blasted by the retarded fox host of the pres debate for saying basically this. we had all the intel we needed to stop 9/11 but it didn't get put together and different agencies didn't and couldn't cooperate. if we took all the money wasted on creating dhs and put it into fixing the inter-agency problem with less bureaucracy instead of creating 1000x more (dhs), we would be much better off

 

[blu]

once again LIEability neg reps b/c he can't debate. how sad

 

[eots]

once again LIEability neg reps b/c he can't debate. how sad

unless of course you call him projecting his latent homosexually fantasies on to others as debate

 

[Oscar Wao]

Culture
Music
Clothing
Loose morals
lack of religion.

The right in this country hate us for exactly the same reasons. Odd that.

Actually? That isn't correct. The Right encourages Liberty. It's when Forced acceptance thorough legislation is employed do we raise the Red Flag.

Remember the Tenants of the Founding? Life, Liberty, The persuit of happiness?

Again? When issues are forced upon a Society particuliarally from a minority infringes on liberty? You'll hear from us.

Let's get this correct, eh?

Perhaps you could explain that to the gays. I'm sure they'll agree. They even want to join the military and fight for American Freedom, and would, if they were allowed.

But it isn't "normal," according to Rushpublicans.

You must remember that...