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As I mentioned in that nearby Lawfare thread, there was mention of the role of Roger Stone.
The piece informed....for me, the first time......that Stone had articulated the tactics and strategies that we witnessed in 2020, and on the January 6th, 2021 attack.......well, he articulated all of it before. Publicly.
In 2016 !
From the Lawfare piece:
"At least one Oath KeeperāJessica Watkinsāhad a VIP pass to provide security at the main rally at the Ellipse, while six others were providing security for longtime dirty trickster, convicted felon and Trump pardonee Roger Stone on Jan. 5 and 6.
Stone was not just a major promoter of the Stop the Steal movement and a key speaker at rallies on Jan. 5. He was also the original mastermind of the whole template for insurrection that played out on Jan. 6. Four years earlierāin July 2016āwhen Stone mistakenly assumed that Trump would lose his first Presidential contest against Hillary Clinton, he had laid out the entire insurrection formula in an interview on Breitbartās The Milo Yiannopoulos Show.
He had observed then that a voting machine was āessentially a computerā and had reasoned, āWho is to say they cannot be rigged?ā
He continued:
"I think we have widespread voter fraud, but the first thing that Trump needs to do is begin talking about it constantly. He needs to say for example: . . . āI am leading in Florida. The polls all show it. If I lose Florida, we will know that thereās voter fraud. If thereās voter fraud, this election will be illegitimate, the election of the winner will be illegitimate, we will have a constitutional crisis, widespread civil disobedience, and the government will no longer be the government.ā . . . I think heās gotta put them on notice that their Inauguration will be a rhetorical, and when I mean civil disobedience, not violence, but it will be a bloodbath."
Said----in 2016.
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All of the above was new to me ---(tho I had heard about the 6 Oathkeepers provinding security for Stone.)
Clearly, what we Americans witnessed throughout 2020 with the constant recital by Don Trump that the "only way I can lose is by fraud".....was following the plan that had been hatched four years earlier. To set the stage for denying a peaceful transfer of power. They didn't need it in 2016.....but it was there on the shelf for 2020.
It was planned.
I want to be blunt here ----- I have never ever liked the persona that Roger Stone has presented to us in our American politics. He took pride in being termed, hell, I think he coined it and used it to describe himself as a "Dirty Trickster".
Look, I ain't a farm kid just off the turnip truck. I know 'dirty tricks' have been part of Amercan politics since the beginning (Jefferson called Adams a hermophrodite. Adams published --don't vote for Jefferson because he had died.) But, I cannot condone or tolerate someone of Stone's character and behavior, whose purpose and role in the business of politics is for subterfuge, slander, and dishonest machinations.
Anyway, I share the above because I found it intersting.
And hoped other readers here would too.
www.lawfareblog.com
The piece informed....for me, the first time......that Stone had articulated the tactics and strategies that we witnessed in 2020, and on the January 6th, 2021 attack.......well, he articulated all of it before. Publicly.
In 2016 !
From the Lawfare piece:
"At least one Oath KeeperāJessica Watkinsāhad a VIP pass to provide security at the main rally at the Ellipse, while six others were providing security for longtime dirty trickster, convicted felon and Trump pardonee Roger Stone on Jan. 5 and 6.
Stone was not just a major promoter of the Stop the Steal movement and a key speaker at rallies on Jan. 5. He was also the original mastermind of the whole template for insurrection that played out on Jan. 6. Four years earlierāin July 2016āwhen Stone mistakenly assumed that Trump would lose his first Presidential contest against Hillary Clinton, he had laid out the entire insurrection formula in an interview on Breitbartās The Milo Yiannopoulos Show.
He had observed then that a voting machine was āessentially a computerā and had reasoned, āWho is to say they cannot be rigged?ā
He continued:
"I think we have widespread voter fraud, but the first thing that Trump needs to do is begin talking about it constantly. He needs to say for example: . . . āI am leading in Florida. The polls all show it. If I lose Florida, we will know that thereās voter fraud. If thereās voter fraud, this election will be illegitimate, the election of the winner will be illegitimate, we will have a constitutional crisis, widespread civil disobedience, and the government will no longer be the government.ā . . . I think heās gotta put them on notice that their Inauguration will be a rhetorical, and when I mean civil disobedience, not violence, but it will be a bloodbath."
Said----in 2016.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
All of the above was new to me ---(tho I had heard about the 6 Oathkeepers provinding security for Stone.)
Clearly, what we Americans witnessed throughout 2020 with the constant recital by Don Trump that the "only way I can lose is by fraud".....was following the plan that had been hatched four years earlier. To set the stage for denying a peaceful transfer of power. They didn't need it in 2016.....but it was there on the shelf for 2020.
It was planned.
I want to be blunt here ----- I have never ever liked the persona that Roger Stone has presented to us in our American politics. He took pride in being termed, hell, I think he coined it and used it to describe himself as a "Dirty Trickster".
Look, I ain't a farm kid just off the turnip truck. I know 'dirty tricks' have been part of Amercan politics since the beginning (Jefferson called Adams a hermophrodite. Adams published --don't vote for Jefferson because he had died.) But, I cannot condone or tolerate someone of Stone's character and behavior, whose purpose and role in the business of politics is for subterfuge, slander, and dishonest machinations.
Anyway, I share the above because I found it intersting.
And hoped other readers here would too.
The Conspirators: The Proud Boys and Oath Keepers on Jan. 6
Two groups appear to have played an outsized role in the events of that day, and their cases should hold particular interest for those trying to understand the causes of the insurrection.
