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I haven't read much about this case, just because I'm tired of reading about them. However, I have to ask this, what was the girl underage doing in the club in the first place if she was in fact underage?
I'm not trying to excuse what Ben did, but I have to agree with Paulie with the fact that she stands to gain a lot from this through a civil suit since Ben has already been found guilty in the court of public opinion.
i think even if ben is cleared of all charges, the steelers will still run him.
I haven't read much about this case, just because I'm tired of reading about them. However, I have to ask this, what was the girl underage doing in the club in the first place if she was in fact underage?
I'm not trying to excuse what Ben did, but I have to agree with Paulie with the fact that she stands to gain a lot from this through a civil suit since Ben has already been found guilty in the court of public opinion.
Right, skip pressing charges and go right for the money.
Yeah, that's not a dead giveaway at ALL.
i think even if ben is cleared of all charges, the steelers will still run him.
As long as Ben keeps winning. Steelers can act morally outraged all they want, but they will be signing his checks for years to come. If not them, another team will gladly do so.
i think even if ben is cleared of all charges, the steelers will still run him.
As long as Ben keeps winning. Steelers can act morally outraged all they want, but they will be signing his checks for years to come. If not them, another team will gladly do so.
another team, yes.
As long as Ben keeps winning. Steelers can act morally outraged all they want, but they will be signing his checks for years to come. If not them, another team will gladly do so.
another team, yes.
I'm a big Steelers fan, and I'd think less of the team if they kept him at this point. Whether he's a rapist or not he's embarrassed his team by being an asshole. That's not what they stand for or what a lot of their fans will tolerate.
So where will he likely end up?
As long as Ben keeps winning. Steelers can act morally outraged all they want, but they will be signing his checks for years to come. If not them, another team will gladly do so.
another team, yes.
I'm a big Steelers fan, and I'd think less of the team if they kept him at this point. Whether he's a rapist or not he's embarrassed his team by being an asshole. That's not what they stand for or what a lot of their fans will tolerate.
So where will he likely end up?
Yeah he's an asshole, but he can play. Which means somebody will pay him.
Am I missing something here? The woman's statement was that she said "no" multiple times but that they still had sex.
How is that not rape?
It doesn't have to be forcible rape to be rape, especially when the victim is intoxicated and states that they don't want to participate.
The woman's statement is good enough for you to convict the guy?
I don't know that anybody is saying her claims, if true, aren't rape. I'm certainly not.
It's simply whether she's telling the truth, looking for a payday, or something in between.
Anybody can say anything to the media, and they do. The fact that this is a civil suit rather than a criminal case raises a question for me. As does the fact that she is actively seeking out the media through her agents. It could very well be she is telling the truth and feels the need to defend herself against the celebrity PR machine. Or not. I don't know, but there have been enough of these claims against various celebs turn out to be false to take everything said to and in the media at face value. It's just too hard to judge.
Am I missing something here? The woman's statement was that she said "no" multiple times but that they still had sex.
How is that not rape?
It doesn't have to be forcible rape to be rape, especially when the victim is intoxicated and states that they don't want to participate.
The woman's statement is good enough for you to convict the guy?
No. Just enough to charge him and give him his day in court.
The woman's statement is good enough for you to convict the guy?
No. Just enough to charge him and give him his day in court.
Something about the lack of charges being pressed stinks to me.
As it turns out, the alleged victim gave two handwritten statements. The statement given after the passage of time is neat and legible. The earlier one is hard to read, since it was written while the alleged victim was still intoxicated. Here's part of what it said:
"His bodyguards took him back to the rooms w/bathroom and I said, 'I don't know if this is a good idea' and he said 'it's OK.' He has sex w/me and meanwhile his bodyguards told me friends they couldn't pass them to get to me. My friends found me & talked to a Milledgeville policeman and he said to report it."
During his Monday press conference, district attorney Fred Bright mentioned the sketchy initial statement followed by the more detailed second statement. He also pointed out that, at the hospital, the alleged victim said, "A boy kind of raped me." Moreover, the officer who received the initial complaint wrote that the alleged victim's recollection was "foggy from to [sic] her intoxication level."
The inconsistencies in her statements and her intoxication create fertile ground for "reasonable doubt." Though this gives rise to an unfortunate reality that women who are intoxicated will have difficulty obtaining justice if raped, the fact remains that our legal system employs a high standard of proof in order to ensure that innocent men are not wrongfully imprisoned (notwithstanding all of the supposedly innocent men who already are in prison).
Meanwhile, we detected a strong degree of consistency and credibility regarding the statements from the alleged victim's friends, who nevertheless could contribute only circumstantial evidence to the investigation, since no one saw the exchange between Roethlisberger and the alleged victim. For example, Ann Marie Lubatti said that she saw Roethlisberger's bodyguards guide the alleged victim to a side door, and that two minutes later she saw Roethlisberger walk back there. "I immediately went up to the other bodyguard and said, 'this isn't right,'" Lubatti said in her statement. "'My friend is back there with Ben. She needs to come back right now.' The bodyguard wouldn't look at me, he just said, 'I don't know what you are talking about.'"
From this, and trying to be objective, it sure sounds like the he didn't keep his dick in his pants after all, and she wasn't 'asking' for it either.