Rittenhouse jury just went to deliberate

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Legal or illegal isn’t the issue.

It is not prudent to arm yourself and leave the safe confines of your home and insert yourself into a violent riot. Nothing good happens when one does something like that.

I don't disagree with you that it was a bad idea. I never have. It was a bad idea for any of that to have occurred. My guns protect me only and I avoid any situation where I can foresee that they might be necessary.

I was speaking directly to the legal terms of art used in the Wisconsin self-defense statute. The mere possession of a firearm is not a "provocation" that removes the "self-defense privilege" under Wisconsin law.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

You provided nothing of the sort. Usurping a hung jury and inserting his own opinion would be a gross miscarriage of justice.

You MORON I most assuredly did and you disagreed with it cause you didn't check the link probably.

 

[john doe 101]

It is legal in Wisconsin to open carry a rifle like Rittenhouse did. A legal act cannot, by itself, be deemed provocative for purposes of self-defense privilege.

So in America you just think it should be a normal thing for people to sling rifles over their back while grocery shopping. You sure do have some weird ideas what a civilized society should look like.

 

[john doe 101]

Here are the screenshots of the unidentified pole man:

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So now a pole is a weapon. It wasnt on Jan 6th was it?

By the way, I am actually saying a pole can be used as a weapon, so dont get confused.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Here are the screenshots of the unidentified pole man:

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Pole man should have killed that guy with a rifle, out of self defense.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Corrections:

10. 1/4th of a second about 2 seconds before Rosenbaum reaches Rittenhouse, Ziminski recklessly fires his handgun into the air (a felony).
11. Rittenhouse turns when he hears the gunshot and sees Rosenbaum nearly upon him and shoots when Rosenbaum trying tries to grab the rifle.
12. Rittenhouse fires 4 shots in less than 3/4ths of a second and runs away, around a group of parked cars.

Thank you, JohnDB

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

So now a pole is a weapon. It wasnt on Jan 6th was it?

By the way, I am actually saying a pole can be used as a weapon, so dont get confused.

When did I ever say a pole is not a dangerous weapon?

You don't have to make up arguments for me and shoot them down like a strawman. I will make my arguments for myself.

 

[WEATHER53]

I wrote it. But I will link it here if you want.

Here: Dr. Love is ill-informed about the Rittenhouse matter.

Did you have a comment on any of that, or are you just here to troll like always?

The dolt would try to offer argument to a Stop sign.

 

[DrLove]

They had rap sheets and were burning or looting. You are just upset some of Mercs got what they deserved for being idiots.

Your side is always Violent when you dont get what you want. Karma comes and cry again. Oh well

Stop your bs and maybe this wont happen

You nutbars have a history of this BS. Every time a LW protestor of any sort is killed, you celebrate. I don't celebrate the murder or death of anyone for any reason.

And THAT is the difference between you and I.

PS: Spare me the lecture on violence when my side doesn't get what they want. Got that Loon?

 

[tahuyaman]

I don't disagree with you that it was a bad idea. I never have. It was a bad idea for any of that to have occurred. My guns protect me only and I avoid any situation where I can foresee that they might be necessary.

I was speaking directly to the legal terms of art used in the Wisconsin self-defense statute. The mere possession of a firearm is not a "provocation" that removes the "self-defense privilege" under Wisconsin law.

I’ve seen several constitutionalist type attorney’s agree that displaying a rifle while engaged in a violent riot can legitimately be portrayed as a provocative act.

 

[ClaireH]

Legal or illegal isn’t the issue.

It is not prudent to arm yourself and leave the safe confines of your home and insert yourself into a violent riot. Nothing good happens when one does something like that.

I have always asked myself one question before I do something and that is…. “would an idiot do this?” If the answer is yes, I don’t do that.

The jury members will focus on Rittenhouse’s words and actions when he gave his vest to his friend instead of choosing to wear it. Rittenhouse stated that he wouldn’t need it because he was “going to help people”. He stated he was going to help defend the car lot.

There will at least be 4 to 6 jury members very concerned about motive, as they should. Rittenhouse did not have any intention to engage in a gun fight or he would have kept and worn the vest.

 

[john doe 101]

When did I ever say a pole is not a dangerous weapon?

You don't have to make up arguments for me and shoot them down like a strawman. I will make my arguments for myself.

I'm glad we can agree then that weapons were used on Jan 6th by the right wing terrorist traitors against police officers.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

So in America you just think it should be a normal thing for people to sling rifles over their back while grocery shopping.

And your real issue is revealed.

Yes, it should be normal for people to be armed. Open carry is legal in most states.

Lots of funny business gets avoided when people are armed (except when they are trying to start shit, like while rioting in Kenosha).

You sure do have some weird ideas what a civilized society should look like.

An armed society is MUCH more civilized than the alternative. People tend to mind their manners when everyone is armed.

It's legal in most states to open carry. If you have a problem with it, move to a state that does not allow it, like what Reagan's racist ass did to California after the Black Panther's armed protest. You have options.

 

[WEATHER53]

I’m a reasonable person. Im a retired US Army infantryman. I also had a second career as a Deputy Sheriff. It’s my view that anyone injecting them self into a violent riot armed with a rifle and carrying this rifle in a ready position is a provocative act.

That said, if your own home or property is in harms way, you should be able to defend your property and yourself

Rittenhouse needlessly place himself in harms way. His father’s home was not in danger. None of his family who lived near the area was at risk. He made a bad choice.

No one goes into a lions den with raw meat
The merit of going to this conflict is legitimately debatable.
Carrying something with you to potentially defend yourself is not provocative nor indicative of mal intent. Far more likely it’s legitimate and legally permitted protection in case something goes awry. Again, the merits of being there is the first place has legitimate debatability. Being armed when doing is wise snd indicative of zero preplanning of violence and far more likely properly indicative of potentially protecting yourself.

 

[john doe 101]

And your real issue is revealed.

Yes, it should be normal for people to be armed. Open carry is legal in most states.

Lots of funny business gets avoided when people are armed (except when they are trying to start shit, like while rioting in Kenosha).


An armed society is MUCH more civilized than the alternative. People tend to mind their manners when everyone is armed.

It's legal in most states to open carry. If you have a problem with it, move to a state that does not allow it, like what Reagan's racist ass did to California after the Black Panther's armed protest. You have options.

So you think people carrying rifles in a grocery store should be an every day occurrence from what you are saying. That is your version of a civilized society.

This is where we disagree. And this is why I think your kind are a bunch of uncivilized animals.

And the rest of the world would disagree with you. But before you tell me to move to another country, consider the possibility you might actually be wrong.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

I'm glad we can agree then that weapons were used on Jan 6th by the right wing terrorist traitors against police officers.

I have not seen what you are referring to, but if they did use poles or anything else as a deadly weapon against police officers, I would consider that assault with a deadly weapon. I don't know why you assumed I would say otherwise.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

So you think people carrying rifles in a grocery store should be an every day occurrence from what you are saying. That is your version of a civilized society.

This is where we disagree. And this is why I think your kind are a bunch of uncivilized animals.

Cool.

Now, **** off. I don't give a rat **** what you think about us. Stay away or go live with your commie ilk.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Meh, you've never completed more than three sentences in your life.

Try this dumb ass,

What happens if there is a hung jury?

A hung jury results in a mistrial in which the defendant is neither convicted nor acquitted. Prosecutors are usually allowed to retry the case if they so choose.

fija.org

 

[john doe 101]

I have not seen what you are referring to, but if they did use poles or anything else as a deadly weapon against police officers, I would consider that assault with a deadly weapon. I don't know why you assumed I would say otherwise.

You mean you have purposely not seen what I'm talking about. I mean, if you dont see it, it didnt happen, right?

FYI it's all over the internet. I challenge you to right now stop what you're doing and look up those pictures I am referring to.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Try this dumb ass,

What happens if there is a hung jury?

A hung jury results in a mistrial in which the defendant is neither convicted nor acquitted. Prosecutors are usually allowed to retry the case if they so choose.

fija.org

When Dr. Love gives you the winkie face emote, he's no longer really arguing. He is just joking around from there on. At least, that's how it appears to me.