Rittenhouse jury just went to deliberate

[M14 Shooter]

Yes we have covered that. He can't do it lest he be disrobed.

There you go, doubling down on your ignorance.
Well done.

 

[john doe 101]

Or, his cause just sucked 10,000 butt holes and should never have been tried in the first place. One of those two.

Hmmm no trial for someone that killed 2 people during a riot. I guess that is the America you want. Works both ways, ya know.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

If this redneck judge goes there - It will be SEVERE judicial misconduct. Can't do that legally or ethically after the case is handed to the jury for deliberation pal.

WRONG

 

[DrLove]

He already disagreed with my post where I LINKED to the fact the Judge can do it.

You provided nothing of the sort. Usurping a hung jury and inserting his own opinion would be a gross miscarriage of justice.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Hmmm no trial for someone that killed 2 people during a riot. I guess that is the America you want. Works both ways, ya know.

Fine, but any prosecutor who cannot evaluate his case and see a clear matter of self-defense, then over-charges the **** out of said case, should expect to look like he never even went to law school when that case goes to trial.

 

[DrLove]

Yeah. There's no reason to take him seriously.

Link me to a case where the judge usurped a hung jury with a dismissal with prejudice. Waiting

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

You provided nothing of the sort. Usurping a hung jury and inserting his own opinion would be a gross miscarriage of justice.

Ever heard of a directed verdict or a JNOV?

You're wrong. Quit doubling down on it.

 

[maybelooking]

So...
Just finished watching the proceedings over the Mistrial...
It isn't looking good for the state at all...

Bald fat guy is an idiot. How does he not notice that 4MB file is not smaller than a 11MB file...he is lying and trying to make a deal (as the judge accused him of)

And the judge is especially concerned because he did question them specifically about this footage that he felt iffy about to begin with. Meaning that their whole final arguments were based on lies.

That's a problem...and a huge one for the prosecutor.

where did you watch this?

 

[JohnDB]

where did you watch this?

Fox local on YouTube...
And I think it's now posted on court tv too.

But basically there's going to be a complete new hearing on the misconduct. Complete with witnesses and etc.

 

[DrLove]

So, here is a summary of the relevant facts as I have seen them:

1. Rittenhouse, who was legally armed with a long rifle and a medical kit, was moving down the street, asking if anyone needed attention.
2. Rittenhouse is encountered by Rosenbaum and the Ziminski couple, Joshua Ziminski is armed with and holding a handgun.
3. Rittenhouse yell's "friendly, friendly, friendly"
4. Ziminski yells "you won't do shit. Get him."
5. Rittenhouse runs away from Ziminski and Rosenbaum across a parking lot.
6. Rosenbaum throws something at Rittenhouse, likely a plastic bag.
7. On the other side of the parking lot, rioters who are bashing the shit out of cars are blocking Rittenhouse's retreat.
8. Rittenhouse stops when he sees the mob of rioters bashing cars.
9. Rosenbaum is quickly approaches Rittenhouse from the rear.
10. 1/4th of a second before Rosenbaum reaches Rittenhouse, Ziminski recklessly fires his handgun into the air (a felony).
11. Rittenhouse turns when he hears the gunshot and sees Rosenbaum nearly upon him trying to grab the rifle.
12. Rittenhouse fires 4 shots in less than 3/4ths of a second and runs away, around a group of parked cars.
13. From the other side of the encounter, near the rioting car bashers, 3 more gunshots from an unidentified person are fired from what sounds like a handgun.
14. Rittenhouse runs back around to where he was attacked by Rosenbaum and when he sees that he has shot Rosenbaum, he calls his friend who tells him to surrender to police.
15. Rittenhouse immediately heads toward the police blockade to turn himself in.
16. On his way, several people are yelling "he shot somebody, get him" and "cranium him."
17. An unidentified rioter runs up to the fleeing Rittenhouse and hits him square in the head with a rock, knocking Rittenhouse to the street in the middle of what appears to be a hostile mob trying to "get him."
18. Huber (skateboard man) hits Rittenhouse in the head with his skateboard while Rittenhouse is on his butt in the street. Huber's girlfriend later admitted that Huber never witnessed the Rosenbaum shooting and that Huber acted based solely on what others were yelling.
18. Unidentified (identity withheld by prosecutors) Jump-Kick man kicks Rittenhouse in the head while Rittenhouse is on his butt in the street.
19. Rittenhouse fires one defensive shot at Jump-Kick man but misses.
20. Huber (skateboard man) hits Rittenhouse in the head again with his skateboard while Rittenhouse is on his butt in the street, then he tries to take the rifle from Rittenhouse. Rittenhouse fires one shot, which kills Huber, stone cold dead on the street.
21. Gaige Grosskreutz, who admitted that he too had not witnessed the Rosenbaum shooting, approached Rittenhouse with an illegal handgun.
22. Grosskreutz admitted that when Rittenhouse saw Grosskreutz hold up his hands in a "surrender" type gesture, Rittenhouse did not fire, but when Grosskreutz then pointed his illegal gun at Rittenhouse, only then did Rittenhouse shoot him.
23. Others were standing nearby holding various weapons. Rittenhouse did not shoot any of them presumably because they did not attempt to hit or kill him.
24. Rittenhouse got up and continued directly to police to surrender.

Now, nuance the **** out of all that.

GO.

No link? Then you got butt-hunches and I doubt very much that you wrote that.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Link me to a case where the judge usurped a hung jury with a dismissal with prejudice. Waiting

Here's this old case that talks about such motions and an appellate court's review of sufficiency of evidence claims.

State v. Escobedo

As far as I know, that is still good law, but I will consider anything you have that is contrary and more recent.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

No link? Then you got butt-hunches and I doubt very much that you wrote that.

I wrote it. But I will link it here if you want.

Here: Dr. Love is ill-informed about the Rittenhouse matter.

Did you have a comment on any of that, or are you just here to troll like always?

 

[john doe 101]

Fine, but any prosecutor who cannot evaluate his case and see a clear matter of self-defense, then over-charges the **** out of said case, should expect to look like he never even went to law school when that case goes to trial.

Like I said, he should probably be fired.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Like I said, he should probably be fired.

I will agree with you about that. He should probably be fired, not because he is necessarily a shitty courtroom lawyer, but because he either sucks at case evaluation or he prosecuted maliciously. I will accept either answer.

 

[tahuyaman]

They are the people saying that Rittenhouse should not have been there, and is therefore guilty of MURDER.

I have never said that. I have said that he had no business getting involved and that arming oneself and engaging in a violent riot is indeed a provocative act.

When people are rioting and looting the best thing for people to do who are not in harms way is to stay out of harms way.

 

[maybelooking]

Being armed is not in itself a provocative act. No matter what the situation.

If that's true then cops are provoking people all day, every day.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Did anyone else in here get the impression that I have killed someone in the past?

Raise your hands.

Nope, but it a poor choice of words that could be misconstrued.

 

[Indeependent]

Quote me where I expressed my unhappiness with it.

Are you admitting that someone else is typing for you?

 

[Turtlesoup]

So now thanks to the prosecutors many illegal games, if the jury comes back with a guilty verdict no matter how unlikely, the judge can easily toss the case for prosecutorial misconduct. For all you hoping to get Rittenhouse and especially you jackasses hoping to see him raped in prison, you have a zero % chance now. The judge isn't going to rule on the prosecutorial mistrial till after the jury comes back with their verdict----and the jury is likely to come back with non-guilty or at a very least a mistrial as it is.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

I have never said that. I have said that he had no business getting involved and that arming oneself and engaging in a violent riot is indeed a provocative act.

I disagree that anything Rittenhouse did prior to Ziminiski firing the first shot into the air was provocative. The mere legal possession of a firearm by itself is not an act of provocation.