Right-wing populism

[Mac1958]

I'll believe that when I see you laying into lefties a few times.

No hurry.
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I don't care if you believe me or not.

Great, you brought it up, you got defensive, then you later admitted your ideology.

Case closed then.
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I didn't "bring it up", clown - you did. You accused me of being a "hardcore partisan".

Awww, to name-calling we go. Good.

I never mentioned your name, there are others doing this, and you got upset.

Get over it.
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This is a new one.

Now you're both whining about me calling you names, and claiming that you weren't referring to me in this post where you called me a bunch of names...

Watching closed-minded, narcissistic hardcore partisan ideologues from one silly end of the spectrum pretend to have a serious conversation about the motives and behaviors of closed-minded, narcissistic hardcore partisan ideologues from the other side is always a hoot.

And the funniest part of all is how similar the behaviors of the two ends are.


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[Jantje_Smit]

...What is the explanation for the rise of right-wing populism? Why have ideologies shifted? What will be the end result of this in the US? Are we as a country smart enough to avoid the traps of authoritarian populism?

Right wing populism is the fault of the illegal, black, kenyan, commie muslim without a birth certificate. The ideologies have shifted since Nixon's brilliant southern strategy put all the racist, christian, gun loving loonies together in one party. The end result is one big happy corporate party with 2 wings that puts up a show for the voters every 4 years and makes them think their vote really matters.

Are you smart enough to avoid the traps?

No

 

[Correll]

...What is the explanation for the rise of right-wing populism? Why have ideologies shifted? What will be the end result of this in the US? Are we as a country smart enough to avoid the traps of authoritarian populism?

Right wing populism is the fault of the illegal, black, kenyan, commie muslim without a birth certificate. The ideologies have shifted since Nixon's brilliant southern strategy put all the racist, christian, gun loving loonies together in one party. The end result is one big happy corporate party with 2 wings that puts up a show for the voters every 4 years and makes them think their vote really matters.

Are you smart enough to avoid the traps?

No

The SOuthern Strategy is a myth.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Pathetically, one of the common arguments on this board is the Godwin argument - which side is more like the Nazis, and so one. Arguments over the words "national socialism", Stalin's crimes, and so on.

But there's an important thing that everyone seems to miss. The common element that exists between nearly all of the regimes that have committed the worst crimes against humanity is not "left" or "right", it's populism - or more specifically, nationalism and populism - and today, those are on the rise all over the world - mostly from right wing parties, but echoed on the left as well. A glance at the current status of much of Eastern Europe will give you a good example - and the support from American movement conservatives for the borderline fascist governments in Hungary based on their reactions to immigration highlights the issue even more.

Trump is the current king of populism on the right in the US. Carson and Cruz are close seconds. On the left, Sanders is the populist hero, and even Hillary dabbles in it in her speeches.

This is interesting from a number of political theory perspectives. Traditionally the "Conservative" ideology is an antithesis to populism - conservatism being the ideology of long-term, slow change, with respect given to authority and the status quo. The basis for conservatism is the idea that man is inherently fallible, and that systems of authority exist to maintain the natural hierarchy and status quo - while the basis for populism is in passionate and emotional "us versus them" rhetoric and mob rule.

What is the explanation for the rise of right-wing populism? Why have ideologies shifted? What will be the end result of this in the US? Are we as a country smart enough to avoid the traps of authoritarian populism?

Populism exists because politicians want to win. It's easier to win by making something up, playing on fears and all of that, rather than actually telling people the truth.

The classic example is the newly reunified Germany in 1990. They had an election in a situation where part of the country had never experienced a vote before, and the other part had, but didn't know what was going to happen in the future.

The right wing CDU of Helmut Kohl just said it'd be all roses and sweet. The SPD, the left wing party said there was a difficult road ahead and they should prepare for it.
Well if you could choose between the nice road or the difficult road, you'd choose the nice road. So they did. Only they didn't choose the road, they got the road they were given, the difficult road, but they set out with nothing that would have prepared them for it.
Populism won the day, but didn't win the battle, the battle was a struggle where the former DDR was struggling compared to many of its former Communist Warsaw Pact neighbors.

 

[Stephanie]

I think the Doc must have had his fweeeings hurt.

OP you don't understand conservatives at all, we just want the freedom to be left alone. Unfortunately the left runs amok trying to force its views on everyone else. There's no middle ground with the left its obey, comply, agree or be punished via regulations, fines, regulations, restrictions, lawsuits, propaganda, public character attacks.

Bingo. Not in this day and age. 30 years ago there were what you called the Blue dog Democrats. Now they've kicked out all of them and are just, Socialist, Communist, radicals from all walks of life, and downright nasty Bullies. And what's sad is their base has become just like them. Bullies who are more like Fascist. do it our way or we will go out and Crush you. take the baker, the pizza owners, etc

 

[Iceweasel]

I'm a doctoral candidate in Political Science.

So your poly-sci professors are filling your head with this nonsense? Europe is having problems because it has not kept up the birth rate while the population is aging. Too many had too few children and need money coming in for the retirement years in an expensive environment. Either they back way off the entitlements or the bring in bodies for work and taxes.

The flip side is it uncuts the opportunities for native working age people so the anti-immigration sentiment is growing. Do you watch Deutche Welle or Euronews? Anti-immigration is automatically labeled far right and that's what your OP is doing. Painting with broad brush strokes to minimize political opposition on all fronts.

Conservatives in the US don't want illegals walking across porous borders, voting and taking job opportunities away from Americans in need of work. We want immigration but we want it controlled and we damn sure don't want sanctuary cities, defying federal law and harboring some dangerous people. That isn't populism it's pragmatism.

 

[Correll]

I'm a doctoral candidate in Political Science.

So your poly-sci professors are filling your head with this nonsense? Europe is having problems because it has not kept up the birth rate while the population is aging. Too many had too few children and need money coming in for the retirement years in an expensive environment. Either they back way off the entitlements or the bring in bodies for work and taxes.

The flip side is it uncuts the opportunities for native working age people so the anti-immigration sentiment is growing. Do you watch Deutche Welle or Euronews? Anti-immigration is automatically labeled far right and that's what your OP is doing. Painting with broad brush strokes to minimize political opposition on all fronts.

Conservatives in the US don't want illegals walking across porous borders, voting and taking job opportunities away from Americans in need of work. We want immigration but we want it controlled and we damn sure don't want sanctuary cities, defying federal law and harboring some dangerous people. That isn't populism it's pragmatism.

Actually some conservatives, like myself, do not want more immigration.

All the issues that you mention with illegal immigration are part of legal immigration.

 

[Iceweasel]

I'm a doctoral candidate in Political Science.

So your poly-sci professors are filling your head with this nonsense? Europe is having problems because it has not kept up the birth rate while the population is aging. Too many had too few children and need money coming in for the retirement years in an expensive environment. Either they back way off the entitlements or the bring in bodies for work and taxes.

The flip side is it uncuts the opportunities for native working age people so the anti-immigration sentiment is growing. Do you watch Deutche Welle or Euronews? Anti-immigration is automatically labeled far right and that's what your OP is doing. Painting with broad brush strokes to minimize political opposition on all fronts.

Conservatives in the US don't want illegals walking across porous borders, voting and taking job opportunities away from Americans in need of work. We want immigration but we want it controlled and we damn sure don't want sanctuary cities, defying federal law and harboring some dangerous people. That isn't populism it's pragmatism.

Actually some conservatives, like myself, do not want more immigration.

All the issues that you mention with illegal immigration are part of legal immigration.

What is your plan for retired Americans and the slower child birth rate?

 

[Correll]

I'm a doctoral candidate in Political Science.

So your poly-sci professors are filling your head with this nonsense? Europe is having problems because it has not kept up the birth rate while the population is aging. Too many had too few children and need money coming in for the retirement years in an expensive environment. Either they back way off the entitlements or the bring in bodies for work and taxes.

The flip side is it uncuts the opportunities for native working age people so the anti-immigration sentiment is growing. Do you watch Deutche Welle or Euronews? Anti-immigration is automatically labeled far right and that's what your OP is doing. Painting with broad brush strokes to minimize political opposition on all fronts.

Conservatives in the US don't want illegals walking across porous borders, voting and taking job opportunities away from Americans in need of work. We want immigration but we want it controlled and we damn sure don't want sanctuary cities, defying federal law and harboring some dangerous people. That isn't populism it's pragmatism.

Actually some conservatives, like myself, do not want more immigration.

All the issues that you mention with illegal immigration are part of legal immigration.

What is your plan for retired Americans and the slower child birth rate?

SOmething that doesn't involve turning this nation into a Third World Shithole.

Low skilled Third World immigrants are NOT going to pump up the economy to make our entitlements sustainable.

 

[JoeB131]

That has to be the most intellectually dishonest assessment I've seen recently. You dear leader is the quintessential example of an authoritarian populist, yet he didn't even rate a mention. You regressivecrats seem to have perfected the art of projection.

Oh, Did Obama hurt your wittle feelings?

What you describe as "Right Wing Populism" to me is nothing more than real Americans getting pissed off at seeing their country incrementally moving away from what made it great toward something that is going to make it mediocre or worse. With every speech and every action Obama has shown his disdain for America and his determination to change it into a Socialist State. He uses the tried and true tactics of Racial division and economic division and a complicit Liberal media to jam his vision upon us.
So you can call it what you want. It's simply real Americans, the ones that work, the ones with families, the ones you don't see rioting that have had enough of this bullshit.

I would question who has used the politics of "Racial Division".

It strikes me that "Racial Division" politics started when Richard Nixon doubled down on the "Southern Strategy" of appealing to the angry white southern voters who were upset they had to drink out of the same water fountains as black people.

It continued with Reagan talking about "Welfare Queens" and "Young Bucks", and George H. Bush and his "Willie Horton" ads.

The thing is, you guys are the ones who alienated Blacks from the GOP, not Obama.

Right Wing Populism can be best summed up in a single picture.

 

[JoeB131]

Bingo. Not in this day and age. 30 years ago there were what you called the Blue dog Democrats. Now they've kicked out all of them and are just, Socialist, Communist, radicals from all walks of life, and downright nasty Bullies. And what's sad is their base has become just like them. Bullies who are more like Fascist. do it our way or we will go out and Crush you. take the baker, the pizza owners, etc

30 years ago, we also had New England Moderate Republicans... And they have also been driven out of the party.

Colin Powell. Jim Jeffords. Arlen Specter, Jim Webb. Lincoln Chafee. All guys who realized the GOP has just become too crazy for them.

 

[Correll]

That has to be the most intellectually dishonest assessment I've seen recently. You dear leader is the quintessential example of an authoritarian populist, yet he didn't even rate a mention. You regressivecrats seem to have perfected the art of projection.

Oh, Did Obama hurt your wittle feelings?

What you describe as "Right Wing Populism" to me is nothing more than real Americans getting pissed off at seeing their country incrementally moving away from what made it great toward something that is going to make it mediocre or worse. With every speech and every action Obama has shown his disdain for America and his determination to change it into a Socialist State. He uses the tried and true tactics of Racial division and economic division and a complicit Liberal media to jam his vision upon us.
So you can call it what you want. It's simply real Americans, the ones that work, the ones with families, the ones you don't see rioting that have had enough of this bullshit.

I would question who has used the politics of "Racial Division".

It strikes me that "Racial Division" politics started when Richard Nixon doubled down on the "Southern Strategy" of appealing to the angry white southern voters who were upset they had to drink out of the same water fountains as black people.

It continued with Reagan talking about "Welfare Queens" and "Young Bucks", and George H. Bush and his "Willie Horton" ads.

The thing is, you guys are the ones who alienated Blacks from the GOP, not Obama.

Right Wing Populism can be best summed up in a single picture.

The SOuthern Strategy is a myth.

 

[kaz]

What is the explanation for the rise of right-wing populism? Why have ideologies shifted? What will be the end result of this in the US? Are we as a country smart enough to avoid the traps of authoritarian populism?

Because the the left won, they are now the "conservatives," they don't want change. Fiscal conservatives want the change, less spending, so we are the radicals and you are the reactionaries. Your terminology isn't keeping up with your positions

 

[kaz]

What is the explanation for the rise of right-wing populism?

Lack of education on civics, capitalism, religion, ethics, American history and government, coupled with the dismissal of the Fairness Doctrine. Right-wingers are simple poorly-educated folks who believe it when told that there are simple answers to complex problems, and they don't know any better. They are easily exploited by partisans and zealots for capitalism and reactionary Christianity. There is no middle, which they wouldn't respect anyway because they don't know any better. They've never been taught.

More projection, good job.

Educated people realize they can't do it on their own and want government to fix their lives for them, didn't you know that?

 

[Iceweasel]

I'm a doctoral candidate in Political Science.

So your poly-sci professors are filling your head with this nonsense? Europe is having problems because it has not kept up the birth rate while the population is aging. Too many had too few children and need money coming in for the retirement years in an expensive environment. Either they back way off the entitlements or the bring in bodies for work and taxes.

The flip side is it uncuts the opportunities for native working age people so the anti-immigration sentiment is growing. Do you watch Deutche Welle or Euronews? Anti-immigration is automatically labeled far right and that's what your OP is doing. Painting with broad brush strokes to minimize political opposition on all fronts.

Conservatives in the US don't want illegals walking across porous borders, voting and taking job opportunities away from Americans in need of work. We want immigration but we want it controlled and we damn sure don't want sanctuary cities, defying federal law and harboring some dangerous people. That isn't populism it's pragmatism.

Actually some conservatives, like myself, do not want more immigration.

All the issues that you mention with illegal immigration are part of legal immigration.

What is your plan for retired Americans and the slower child birth rate?

SOmething that doesn't involve turning this nation into a Third World Shithole.

Low skilled Third World immigrants are NOT going to pump up the economy to make our entitlements sustainable.

Well, the fact is they are now. The majority of agriculture workers are immigrants, Americans don't want to stoop that low, figuratively and literally. With no immigration we are screwed. We need it, always had it but we also need secure borders.

 

[Stephanie]

I'm a doctoral candidate in Political Science.

So your poly-sci professors are filling your head with this nonsense? Europe is having problems because it has not kept up the birth rate while the population is aging. Too many had too few children and need money coming in for the retirement years in an expensive environment. Either they back way off the entitlements or the bring in bodies for work and taxes.

The flip side is it uncuts the opportunities for native working age people so the anti-immigration sentiment is growing. Do you watch Deutche Welle or Euronews? Anti-immigration is automatically labeled far right and that's what your OP is doing. Painting with broad brush strokes to minimize political opposition on all fronts.

Conservatives in the US don't want illegals walking across porous borders, voting and taking job opportunities away from Americans in need of work. We want immigration but we want it controlled and we damn sure don't want sanctuary cities, defying federal law and harboring some dangerous people. That isn't populism it's pragmatism.

Actually some conservatives, like myself, do not want more immigration.

All the issues that you mention with illegal immigration are part of legal immigration.

What is your plan for retired Americans and the slower child birth rate?

SOmething that doesn't involve turning this nation into a Third World Shithole.

Low skilled Third World immigrants are NOT going to pump up the economy to make our entitlements sustainable.

You can't get that through to these bleeding heart liberals who see themselves the champions of all the poor and weak, no matter they're GIVING our country away and cutting our OWN THROATS by supporting out of control illegal Immigrations. and then they sit here and Champion the killing of American Human beings by supporting Abortion on demand. they stand on nothing but are killing us all at the same time. I've been watching it for 60 years.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

 

[Wildman]

What is the explanation for the rise of right-wing populism?

in return,
what is the reason for the rise of left-wingnut populism? e.g., HITLERY !?!?

and why do you left-wingnuts support this lying bitchkunt who has no comprehension of what truth means?????

and why do you you liberfools/demorats want to destroy the United States of America as it was founded??

 

[eagle1462010]

 

[CrusaderFrank]

In a generation, Americans will be unarmed, living in a Progressive dictatorship, atheism will be the only allowable national religion, there will be 100,000,000 victims in mass graves, they'll worship Stalin and Mao as their Founding Fathers -- and still claim that Conservatives are evil