1. My point was that I can see the damage that illegal immigration is doing to this country and you seem not to, or not to care. That your response was nothing but snark, was a dodge, because you cannot refute what I said. My point stands. I can see the damage and you can't or don't care.
2. You complain about my style of posting, but you keep getting confused. You said illegal immigration is caused by our culture and I said it was not. My point stands.
3. I denounced multiculturalism. You conclude, without explaining how, that that means I understand the 14th and also without explanation conclude that I won't be saying "illegal" any more. Dude. You are terrible at guessing what I mean. Don't make ANY connections without asking me about them first. YOu SUCK at that. SUCK!
4. Foreigners are let into this country by a corrupt political class, not because of our culture.
5. Calling me names, is not an argument. My point stands. Cheap labor is good for employers, not employees. Address that, and drop the shit.
6. Nazis are an insignificant fringe. If you have a problem with an idea or a policy, explain the problem, don't play silly Kevin Bacon games.
7. You are the one that mentioned high taxes and Nazis next to each other, and you play conflating games ALL THE TIME.
8. Can you vague that up a bit? I almost followed your "logic" there for a second. Actually that was a lie. YOu went off the deep end, immediately.
9. Got it, you hoped I would not ask, and you don't want to explain.
10. Everything I posted was a response to a point your raised. You don't want 10 responses? Be more concise. Wander less. Avoid making wild leaps and assigning me blame based on stuff that only exists in your head.
1) I see the damage
MY own countrymen are causing their own country by lowering their standards and taking a piss on their own culture. I realize if they were off their sorry asses (as opposed to posting 50,000 posts on the Internet) we probably would have no problems with foreigners
2) You want scapegoats not solutions
3) You suck because you are talking out both sides of your mouth. IF you
support the 14th Amendment, there are no "
illegal aliens" as you mistakenly think because the 14th Amendment guarantees the equal protection of the laws to
ALL PERSONS. "All Persons" has been defined by the United States Supreme Court to include foreigners, regardless of immigration status
4) Foreigners come here to work jobs willingly offered because of shitsacks that won't work, do drugs, have a criminal history, and friends like you that want their records preserved forever to the benefit of employers who then reject them and never give them a second chance
5) I have responded to your point... what? Fifty times since we've been arguing on this board??? When a foreigner takes a job, it creates
MORE wealth. Unlike you, the foreigner is working. They work for less, creating more profits, and giving the employer more productivity. That means they spend more money in the community. a twenty something year old Hispanic is more likely to have 2 kids or more, a house, and other bills. You probably live in mommy's house, don't work (you're here all the time) and don't contribute anything to the community
6) Nazis control your talking points; own the think tanks from which you get your erroneous ideas; were the first to begin the talk that fences and walls would solve a deeper problem. You can call them fringe all you like, but only a total ******* idiot would deny their influence and their position. I've documented it for you how many times?
7) I mentioned high taxes, but I did not blame the Nazis. I BLAME YOU
8) I have not lied to you and I'm not going to read mountains of text to figure out your allegation. Spit it out or admit that you are covering yet another fallacy you got busted on
9) I'm ready to explain anything to you. But, after it's explained, you don't read the damn posts, then want to filibuster all day long. WTF? Do you want the explanation or not? If you read it
one time, you wouldn't have to post 100 posts denying that I have responded to you and explained it unequivocally
10) I'm responding to you. One minute you're bitching that I don't explain this stuff to you; then end with more bitching because the answer don't fit on a bumper sticker (only exposing your lack of reading and comprehension skills)
1. My work ethic is fine and not the cause of millions of foreigners crossing the border is violation of our democratically enacted laws and our Right of Self Determination.
2. Nope. I want solutions. The scapegoat thing is something you made up out of whole cloth.
3. The Supreme Court was suicidality stupid in deciding that people who entered illegally and stay here illegally and have to falsify records and taxes in order to work here, are " subject to the jurisdiction" of our laws. That was an obvious mistake and in a sane world would have been reversed immediately.
4. My point stands. Foreigners are let into this country by a corrupt political class, not because of our culture. Your contempt of your fellow Americans does not change that.
5. Lower work cost might be good for macro-economic numbers and employers. It is not good for employees, and the nation as a whole. It is the right of those employees and those that identify with them, to seek political representation for their interests. Your hostility to this has not been explained.
6. Nazis are an irrelevant fringe. If a nazi is for good dental hygiene, it does not make me a nazi to brush my teeth.
7. How so?
1) We are not a democracy. So, you just exposed yourself as a social democrat
2) You want scapegoats. If a willing employer hires a willing worker, what Right are you denied?
3) The United States Supreme Court did nothing you falsely accused them of. According to the Chief Actuary of the Socialist Security Administration, about 75 percent of all undocumented foreigners get an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number and pay the same illegal / unconstitutional / immoral / indefensible/ federal tax that you do. Nice to see you're still defending a plank from the Communist Manifesto AND lying about it with joy in your heart and a smile on your face
4) Foreigners come here because the
Constitution so allows. The ONLY thing regulating the process is laws pushed by Ted Kennedy and an unconstitutional power grab by the United States Supreme Court
5) You do not understand basic economics much less macro economics and virtually every economist (including those on the far right admit that foreign labor is profitable.) My case rests on the premise that money should not be the only factor. My hostility is toward you because you are a pathological liar that has had this shit explained in detail and, on other threads, you did not read it NOR even formulate a responsive post on the points that you made which are in error
6) Saying Nazis are a fringe group may make you happy, but you have your head so far up their asses, you don't get a breath of fresh air til one of the farts. Perhaps that is why you don't understand
7) How so? How so what??? What are you asking?
Look, if you want me to rehash the same stuff I beat you up with on three other threads, we can go there. You'll just get your ass stomped into the ground again. You couldn't defend your crap on the other threads; have admitted you don't read the posts, so what... you think we might help someone understand what a poseur you really are if I post proof for a sixth time (at least that many times) that you have
FAILED to answer???
I don't need 20 questions every exchange. Tell us the truth.
Prior to David Duke, what American in all of U.S. history, proposed the laws you support that would be put into place under the pretext of enforcing the wall?
Can you name even ONE?
1. We are a Constitutional republic with our government's legitimacy based on the consent of the governed. Referencing the source of that legitimacy is not admitting that I am a social democrat. Calling me a name, was just a dodge of my point about illegal immigration violating our Right to Self Determination, which still stands. And which you have not addressed though I have brought it up many times.
2. I am denied my right of self determination. We as a nation, have the right to define who we are and how we live. Being flooded by the Turd World is not how I want America to be.
3. How do they legally get a number when they are here illegally? And don't think that I didn't notice that you ignore the other crimes I mentioned. They are not "subject to the jurisdiction" of our laws
4. Immigration was regulated and controlled WAY before Ted Kennedy.
Ellis Island - Wikipedia
"Ellis Island is a museum and former immigration inspection station in
New York Harbor, within the states of
New York and
New Jersey. It was the gateway for over 12 million
immigrants to the United States as the nation's busiest
immigrant inspection station from 1892 until 1954"
for one very limited example. Ted Kennedy, who I agree is a villain, was not born until 1932, 3O years after Ellis Island started inspecting and controlling immigration. I have know that your claims about who invented certain ideas in America was wrong, and this time I was able to easily and clearly show it.
My point stands. Foreigners are let into this country by a corrupt political class, not because of our culture. Your contempt of your fellow Americans does not change that.
5. I agree that economics should not be the only factor considered. My point about low wages being bad for American workers stands, and nothing in your post explains why you oppose higher wages, or why you consider it wrong of me to want that.
6. Saying the Nazis are a fringe group does make me happy. It is a good thing. And I like speaking the Truth to panic mongers who want to panic people for no good reason.
7. HOw do you blame me for high taxes?
8. I know that there were anti-immigration movements in the past. The specific tools would have been different because the times were different. Supporting a wall between US and Mexico, when the vast majority of immigration was coming from Europe, would have been senseless, but the idea of being anti-immigration was certainly there.
1) I don't know what point you're alleging I'm dodging, but spit it out. What does that even mean that
"illegal immigration" violates your Right to Self Determination (sic?)
2) I realize that this is going to come as a great big ******* surprise to you since you don't pay attention, but in many of my long posts I have stated many many times that America cannot be all things to all people and what America is about is stated in the Preamble to the Constitution:
"
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity..."
Can you read that bolded portion? Where do you see me advocating for turning America into a third world country? Take a look at this country's FIRST naturalization law (I've posted it over 20 times.) Where does it allow for the third world to gain equal political status with you or I?
3) If people were not subject to the jurisdiction of our laws, we would have no jurisdiction to deport them. As for taxes, the IRS is a quasi private corporation and they don't give a shit who you are or where you come from. If money passes hands, they want their piece of the pie. So again, Individual Taxpayer Identification Number. Immigration status is no bar to owing the tax according to the IRS.
If / when people commit crimes, they are prosecuted regardless of their immigration status. OTOH, they also have the Right to a presumption of innocence due to the 14th Amendment (which, BTW, I believe to have been illegally ratified)
4) America has had foreigners regulated since the Mayflower hit the shores of the New World in 1620. However, this process has been done by different levels of government at different times. From your own article:
"
The federal government assumed control of immigration on April 18, 1890"
Here are the serious questions for you Correll:
A) Where, in the Constitution, does the federal government have the authority to tell the states who can and cannot come to that respective state?
B) PRIOR to 1890 the federal government
did not have control over immigration. Obviously if someone were regulating the flow of foreigners and it was not the federal government, somebody did it for that period between 1789 and 1890
A FULL CENTURY OF REGULATION WITHOUT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BY YOUR OWN LINK!
C) HOW did the federal government, after a century end up controlling the flow of foreigners? Which Amendment changed that?
5) Aside from your bold assertions that you've done stuff you most assuredly have not, you have added to your abject stupidity by saying I'm against paying Americans high wages. In fact, I drafted legislation that I propose to my congresscritters twice each year to give strong incentives to employers to hire Americans and pay higher wages. You continue to lie about proving me wrong - YOU NEVER HAVE AND NEVER WILL and you lie to yourself about me. NOBODY is buying your bullshit. Not even you...
6) Whether you are a "
fringe" group or just one of their bitches is irrelevant. National Socialist solutions prevail and you are all in. You won't even consider anything else - which is why you are spreading the horseshit thick as you can on this thread and LYING like a New York politician. Real change
NEVER happens among the masses
7) I blame you for high taxes because you
lie like Hell about me and YOU propose a government so big that the average person could never resist a tyrannical government. You endorse a plank out of the Communist Manifesto by falsely accusing foreigners of not paying that unconstitutional tax. You sabotaged our efforts to get rid of the income tax, the IRS, and make the tax burden equal on all (regardless of immigration status, income level, etc.) YOU are part of that bunch that want Orwellian National ID tied to your Socialist Surveillance Number ...ooops "
Social Security Number." That is two points you are, by your own admission, advocating socialism on
8) Did you realize that in 1953 we had the lowest unemployment rates in U.S. history and people, like you, wanted a mass deportation - and so we did... and by the end of 1954 our unemployment rate DOUBLED in under five years and stayed above that 1953 level until recently???
