RFK Jr. said Trump told him Pompeo told him not to release JFK files

If Pompeo is a criminal then everybody in the world is.
That's a lame argument. I don't go around lobbying for the extra-judicial killing of people for what they say and write. Only totalitarians do that shit.

Nor do lots and lots of folks with integrity. Pompeo is a piece of shit. Stop with the hero worship, that is part of the problem we have in society.

Only totalitarians and folks suffering from Stockholm or in cults do that shit.

Sorry to trigger you.

TUCKER CARLSON GOES TO TOWN ON MIKE POMPEO - the former CIA Director.​



Ep. 5322 – Ray McGovern on Colin Powell and Mike Pompeo – 7/31/2020​

Aug 9, 2020
 
They had several reasons, first the legal attacks from RFK on the Mafia, JFK did some deals with them to help the invasion of Cuba, Jack Ruby, a known Mafia bud killed Lee Harvey and then

March 29, 1979: The House Select Committee on Assassinations investigated the assassination and based on incorrect acoustic evidence states Kennedy was "probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy". The Committee states the American mobsters Carlos Marcello and Santo Trafficante Jr. had the means, motive, and opportunity to assassinate Kennedy."[153]

Your explanations don't mean shit.


All of this is known. There is no reason to hold anything back if that is all there is to it.
 
We already KNOW that western spooks, work with, and infiltrate, and are infiltrated by organized crime, terror networks, and foreign intel. None of those reasons make any sense to hold information back.

All of these are known unknowns. It would just be confirming things that the public has already suspected, and then such a release would be forgot about in the next news cycle.

. . . if there isn't any politically actionable intelligence, then none of these reasons make a lick of sense for holding those files back.

Nor does it make a lick of sense to conceal the identity of international corruption.
 
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They had several reasons, first the legal attacks from RFK on the Mafia, JFK did some deals with them to help the invasion of Cuba, Jack Ruby, a known Mafia bud killed Lee Harvey and then

March 29, 1979: The House Select Committee on Assassinations investigated the assassination and based on incorrect acoustic evidence states Kennedy was "probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy". The Committee states the American mobsters Carlos Marcello and Santo Trafficante Jr. had the means, motive, and opportunity to assassinate Kennedy."[153]

Ruby was a small time crook who ran a strip club or something.
 
You have to be thinking in terms of, what could possibly be in them, that could change the entire landscape of American electoral politics.
 
Keeping them hidden is protecting some institution or nation, that is doing things, that folks who identify as being in the DNC and in the GOP would all agree, is against the interests of America.

But for whose interests? And why?
 
That's a lame argument. I don't go around lobbying for the extra-judicial killing of people for what they say and write. Only totalitarians do that shit.

Nor do lots and lots of folks with integrity. Pompeo is a piece of shit. Stop with the hero worship, that is part of the problem we have in society.

Only totalitarians and folks suffering from Stockholm or in cults do that shit.

Sorry to trigger you.

TUCKER CARLSON GOES TO TOWN ON MIKE POMPEO - the former CIA Director.​



Ep. 5322 – Ray McGovern on Colin Powell and Mike Pompeo – 7/31/2020​

Aug 9, 2020

I don't know. I like Tucker but it isn't like him to say something that specific about somebody without citing his source. And he didn't in that clip. The part about Pompeo being a criminal I mean. It may be one of the rare times Tucker got it wrong and I know Tucker well enough that if he realizes he got it wrong at some point, he'll say so.

Certainly lots of things get discussed behind closed doors that never gain legs. Maybe this is one of them. I don't know. But I simply have never detected anything sinister or awful re Mike Pompeo.

". . .Trump has denied the claim and neither the CIA nor Mike Pompeo have commented on the story. While discussions were alleged, based on anonymous sources, officials also said the assassination plans did not get "serious traction" and that it was a "crazy thing that wastes our time.". . .

Pompeo's speech at the RNC convention was awesome:


In other words I will file all information away for further reference but I would need a lot more evidence to believe Mike Pompeo is a criminal.
 
I don't know. I like Tucker but it isn't like him to say something that specific about somebody without citing his source. And he didn't in that clip. The part about Pompeo being a criminal I mean. It may be one of the rare times Tucker got it wrong and I know Tucker well enough that if he realizes he got it wrong at some point, he'll say so.

Certainly lots of things get discussed behind closed doors that never gain legs. Maybe this is one of them. I don't know. But I simply have never detected anything sinister or awful re Mike Pompeo.

". . .Trump has denied the claim and neither the CIA nor Mike Pompeo have commented on the story. While discussions were alleged, based on anonymous sources, officials also said the assassination plans did not get "serious traction" and that it was a "crazy thing that wastes our time.". . .

Pompeo's speech at the RNC convention was awesome:


In other words I will file all information away for further reference but I would need a lot more evidence to believe Mike Pompeo is a criminal.

Well, O.K. You do you.

I have seen and heard all I need to. I trust my eyes and ears. I know a bad actor when I see one. Trump was not the one in charge, he was.


Mike Pompeo "We're in a live exercise here" Coronavirus task force hold news conference 03 20 2020​

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"Mike Pompeo said "We're in a live exercise here" at (01:08) while responding to a question from a journalist."


(Trump responds indignantly with something. . . if you listen closely to the video.)
 
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It's probably exponentially more complicated than most people think. I'm not going to defend government institutions because they always lean on excessive secrecy, the Mi6 are far worse. Hell I think their motto was at one time "secrecy always" or forever, something like that lol.


In fairness though, as I have considered this situation in a more sober manner having consumed a great amount of historical intelligence cases and tactics (being the victim of the low-level Creepy Ones here in Canada as well since I was a kid), there might be family members of sources which the CIA leveraged in the 60s for which the Russians or Cubans could trace back today. Maybe even some of them still alive if they were double agents in their 20s. 61 Years ago if a young, more easily recruited Russian KGB offer was 26 years old, he could still very well be with us at 87. Traitor George Blake lived to be 98, these double agents live long!

There is also the other consideration which might force Americans to face an uncomfortable reality. You can be sure the spy business is the dirtiest of businesses when not dangerous, what would Americans say if they found out that it was the Russians or Cubans behind JFKs assassination? Would that improve relations? Increase or decrease the odds of WWIII?

What if it were the fear many have and it WAS a rogue CIA cell? After all, the French Foreign Legion tried to kill their leader Charles De Gaulle. There have been rumblings, perhaps overstated that JFK wanted to reign in the CIA. Some say it had to do with poor advise for the Bay of Pigs fiasco ironically. I don't think this would have warranted an assassination, but there could have been a hardcore sub-group. Remember, this was the height of the Cold War and the CIA were engaging a nasty enemy. They employed similarly nasty tactics. It's better that than nuclear holocaust, right?

Obviously I don't have access to these files to know whether it is a risk to release them or not. If there is a poor reflection on the CIA, that isn't grounds to keep it secret. Over 60 years have passed, no one is going to blame them for poor operations even so many years later.

It's a tricky situation though if Americans remain in the dark. It's like most situations in the world in which sometimes secrecy allows the conspiracies to run amok and people wonder, "what are they hiding"? The conspiracies are often worse than the actual event, though the real story could be worse than the conspiracies sadly. In most circumstances I would hope there is a operational and/or legitimate national security reason why they are still secret.

My guess is that Oswald was radicalized by the Cubans or Russians, perhaps even as revenge for the Bay of Pigs or other attempts to whack Castro. There may be many sources that point to this but enough plausible deniability for the Cubans or Russians to distance the government from any proof of wrongdoing while still pointing to some citizen turning Oswald into a rabid hater of America.

There are many Russians in the KGB who have retired and commented on this in interviews. Most say, perhaps self-servingly of course, that the Russians didn't have anything to do with it. I've heard it more than once by different former KGB. I'm no spy, but one guy wasn't very convincing to me in him suggesting Russia wasn't behind it. A micro-sample, but if I saw that interview it means trained professionals in the CIA and other spy agencies saw it too.

Pompeo seems competent. I would hope he is able to objectively balance the various stakeholder interests before making such a recommendation. Trump isn't as radical on these issues as people might think, he will listen to the arguments of smart people in the know of which Pompeo was one.
Follow the money answers most political questions. Who lost the most money when cuba turned Marxist.

We got all our sugar from cuba
The mafia owned havana
CIA was full of rockefeller people
Rockefeller's lost sugar cane plantations
CIA rockefeller people planned bay of pigs
Rockefeller was part of eisenhower's admin
Kennedy did not like and fired rockefeller.

Rockefeller, council on foriegn relations, world bank, international monetary fund, chase manhatten bank

Money
 
Wow! Could you please explain how that works?
The fact that folks are offended, or just weirded out by what I posted in this thread, - that the premise that our so-called "allies," might be the biggest threat to Americans?

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This should be all that we need to see at how effective they are in subverting the natural rights of Americans, and their very ability to think critically and reason about the state of the nation today.
 

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