Revolt

[9thIDdoc]

If we ever have a president that attempts to rule by edict rather than passing laws in the manner prescribed by the Constitution there will be rebellion.

 

[Victory67]

Even if our current leaders are kicked out, the Constitution is very clear as to how they must be replaced.

 

[MikeK]

What about against the government that swears to uphold it, but blatantly tramples on it? Who would the soldiers stand with then? The government or the Constitution?

Soldiers do not have to follow illegal orders, such as to kill civilians or torture POWs.

If a group of Americans decides to declare war against the US government due to gay marriage, Obamacare, gun background checks, and abortion, you bet your ass the National Guard is obligated to fight such people and kill them if they refuse to surrender.

The National Guard demonstrated its propensity to open fire on American citizens at Kent State University in May, 1970.
Kent State shootings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And the students they killed did far less than declare war against Government. They were neither armed nor behaving in a threatening manner.

 

[MikeK]

If we ever have a president that attempts to rule by edict rather than passing laws in the manner prescribed by the Constitution there will be rebellion.

The United States population has gradually become a captive of its government. I don't believe a rebellion is possible in this Country. We lack the spirit and the necessary solidarity.

Americans are an alienated people who are ruled by a wealthy minority who exist and function as a de-facto neo-nobility.

 

[Victory67]

The United States population has gradually become a captive of its government. I don't believe a rebellion is possible in this Country. We lack the spirit and the necessary solidarity.

Americans are an alienated people who are ruled by a wealthy minority who exist and function as a de-facto neo-nobility.

Our nation is a strong democracy, with strong democratic institutions. We have Federal and State ways to change how our government functions. We have the right to vote.

There is no need to rebel. There is nothing to rebel over. Such are the dreams of bored fantacists.

 

[Victory67]

The National Guard demonstrated its propensity to open fire on American citizens at Kent State University in May, 1970.
Kent State shootings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And the students they killed did far less than declare war against Government. They were neither armed nor behaving in a threatening manner.

Kent State was 44 years ago.

 

[MikeK]

The United States population has gradually become a captive of its government. I don't believe a rebellion is possible in this Country. We lack the spirit and the necessary solidarity.

Americans are an alienated people who are ruled by a wealthy minority who exist and function as a de-facto neo-nobility.

Our nation is a strong democracy, with strong democratic institutions. We have Federal and State ways to change how our government functions. We have the right to vote.

And look what we've done with that blessed Liberty. We've elected a graduating progression of corporatist Presidents and a Congress of corrupted millionaires who have enabled the rise of a wealth-based neo-nobility and the imminent demise of the hard-won American Middle Class.

There is no need to rebel. There is nothing to rebel over. Such are the dreams of bored fantacists.

While it is true there is no need to rebel at the present time I am sure there will be increasingly severe demonstrations as the economy declines and conditions become progressively worse. But the divisive nature of American society is such that effective citizen rebellion is impossible. Armed civil conflict is a far more likely possibility.

 

[Victory67]

If you don't like the direction our government is going and the policies they are enacting, use the power of your voice and get people to agree with you and vote new people into office.

 

[MikeK]

The National Guard demonstrated its propensity to open fire on American citizens at Kent State University in May, 1970.
Kent State shootings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And the students they killed did far less than declare war against Government. They were neither armed nor behaving in a threatening manner.

Kent State was 44 years ago.

So was the Vietnam debacle. And what have we learned from it? If anything, things have gotten worse.

 

[Victory67]

So was the Vietnam debacle. And what have we learned from it? If anything, things have gotten worse.

So go start your little revolution. But don't expect most Americans to sympathize with you.

 

[Gracie]

Tyranny from foreign and domestic.

What does domestic really mean? Our own government changing or amending the constitution and our rights, or people who blow up federal buildings or schools or take overs on alcatraz? What exactly does the "domestic" really mean?

 

[MikeK]

If you don't like the direction our government is going and the policies they are enacting, use the power of your voice and get people to agree with you and vote new people into office.

Are you kidding?

We have statesmen like Dennis Kucinich and Bernie Sanders available to us but a political system which has become totally corrupted by the influence of money has given us a millionaire Congress and such Presidents as Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, and now this Ivy League pimp -- puppets of the bankers and the rising corporatocracy.

The American electorate is dominated by politically ignorant high-grade morons who wouldn't recognize the devil if he was holding them by the throat.

 

[Victory67]

Are you kidding?

We have statesmen like Dennis Kucinich and Bernie Sanders available to us but a political system which has become totally corrupted by the influence of money has given us a millionaire Congress and such Presidents as Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, and now this Ivy League pimp -- puppets of the bankers and the rising corporatocracy.

The American electorate is dominated by politically ignorant high-grade morons who wouldn't recognize the devil if he was holding them by the throat.

And you want to impose your will upon them.

 

[MikeK]

So was the Vietnam debacle. And what have we learned from it? If anything, things have gotten worse.

So go start your little revolution. But don't expect most Americans to sympathize with you.

Where and when did I encourage revolution? I didn't. But the fact that you imagine I did is clear evidence of your inability to understand what is right before your eyes. You are typical of the ignorant jingoists who are enabling the incremental ruin of this Nation.

 

[Victory67]

Where and when did I encourage revolution? I didn't. But the fact that you imagine I did is clear evidence of your inability to understand what is right before your eyes. You are typical of the ignorant jingoists who are enabling the incremental ruin of this Nation.

My apologies. I'm glad you don't think we need a revolution, peaceful or violent.

Glad we are on the same page.

 

[9thIDdoc]

What about against the government that swears to uphold it, but blatantly tramples on it? Who would the soldiers stand with then? The government or the Constitution?

Soldiers do not have to follow illegal orders, such as to kill civilians or torture POWs.

If a group of Americans decides to declare war against the US government due to gay marriage, Obamacare, gun background checks, and abortion, you bet your ass the National Guard is obligated to fight such people and kill them if they refuse to surrender.

The National Guard demonstrated its propensity to open fire on American citizens at Kent State University in May, 1970.
Kent State shootings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And the students they killed did far less than declare war against Government. They were neither armed nor behaving in a threatening manner.

They were throwing rocks and bottles. The people executed by stoning in the ME would probably understand that rocks and bottles can be deadly weapons if they weren't dead. They had also attacked police and firefighters, damaged and destroyed property and committed arson. And there were reports of the firing of a handgun.
They learned that attacking armed men is not a good idea. Big surprise.

 

[namvet]

since the military hates dems its a no brainer.

 

[MikeK]

Soldiers do not have to follow illegal orders, such as to kill civilians or torture POWs.

If a group of Americans decides to declare war against the US government due to gay marriage, Obamacare, gun background checks, and abortion, you bet your ass the National Guard is obligated to fight such people and kill them if they refuse to surrender.

The National Guard demonstrated its propensity to open fire on American citizens at Kent State University in May, 1970.
Kent State shootings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And the students they killed did far less than declare war against Government. They were neither armed nor behaving in a threatening manner.

They were throwing rocks and bottles. The people executed by stoning in the ME would probably understand that rocks and bottles can be deadly weapons if they weren't dead. They had also attacked police and firefighters, damaged and destroyed property and committed arson. And there were reports of the firing of a handgun.
They learned that attacking armed men is not a good idea. Big surprise.

While there were some rocks and bottles thrown during the Kent demonstrations the Guardsmen opened fire with M1s, killing eight and wounding more, none of whom were positively identified as having thrown anything.

Compare that with the demonstrations in the Ukraine and in those European countries where protesters are throwing rocks, bottles, and firebombs at the police and the police don't dare open fire -- nor are there any military or paramilitary forces present. The reason for that is the comparative solidarity of those peoples. Here the police don't hesitate to close in and brutally arrest comparatively peaceful demonstrators such as was repeatedly seen during the rousting of the OCCUPY demonstrators and the pepper-spraying of the peacefully seated student demonstrators at UC Davis.

Can you imagine cops doing something like that in Kiev? Or in Greece? Here the police know the American People are as divided as it gets. There is no solidarity. Which is why our government behaves the way it does. This Country is becoming a goddam police state right before our eyes because a significant percentage of our population consists of authoritarian submissive toadies and Tories.

 

[SayMyName]

The Military will defend their country.....they always have

Take up arms against your country and you will pay the price

I agree with you. No matter what wrongs we believe the government is perpetrating, the men and women of the military are sworn to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States from all enemies both foreign and domestic.

As the generations change, and more and more men and women enter the armed forces with the thoughts and feelings current to their time, the same will commit to the new interpretation of what this loyalty is all about. They will act accordingly while in uniform.

I doubt seriously there will be a rebellion of patriots any time soon, if at all. If so, it will amount to little or nothing, and the military and police will stand by the state and crush it even more ruthlessly than they initially did the enemy in Afghanistan and Iraq.

 

[Darkwind]

So was the Vietnam debacle. And what have we learned from it? If anything, things have gotten worse.

So go start your little revolution. But don't expect most Americans to sympathize with you.

Were you aware that in 1775, a large percentage of the Colonies population did not sympathize with the rebels who were trying to throw off the yoke of the King?

Most Americans will back the winner...its what the sheep do.