Rest in Peace.

[WinterBorn]

I doubt many true suicides are worried about sin. In fact, belief in such things is dropping.

Very sad.

Eh, I am not one to judge other people's religious beliefs, or lack their of.

 

[Man of Ethics]

Eh, I am not one to judge other people's religious beliefs, or lack their of.

Not me not any other mortal. But I believe those who commit suicide will be punished. Not eternally as Christians believe.

 

[WinterBorn]

Eh, I am not one to judge other people's religious beliefs, or lack their of.

Not me not any other mortal. But I believe those who commit suicide will be punished. Not eternally as Christians believe.

The ones I have know who committed suicide spent a long time in anguish. Whom ever would punish them could have also provided them with some relief.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Very sad. 572,000 people in 1999-2016.

National Gun Violence Memorial

Learn who is killed with guns in the U.S. every day.

gunmemorial.org

How many died in car accidents?

Drug abuse?

Covid in the last year?

Ah the great answer. Oh, but more people died from other things the right wingers don't want to prevent......

 

[2aguy]

Very sad. 572,000 people in 1999-2016.

National Gun Violence Memorial

Learn who is killed with guns in the U.S. every day.

gunmemorial.org

Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to stop violent rapes, beatings, knifings, robberies and murders.....

1.1 million X 17 = 18,700,000 times that Americans used their legal guns to save people from brutal, life changing and life ending rapes, beatings, knifings, robberies and murders............

Guns save lives....

Meanwhile....in Gun free Europe, in the 15 years that the national socialists had power in Germany, they murdered 12 million innocent men, women and children.....not war dead, these people were dragged out of their homes and murdered.....

averages out to 800,000 people a year....

In the U.S......gun murder in 2019....10,235

over 15 years? 153,000

153,000 versus 12 million....

 

[2aguy]

Very sad. 572,000 people in 1999-2016.

Funny, your linked site only lists 81,000 people, not 572,000, but Hey! only 28,000 more to go and you'll reach the number of babies murdered EVERY YEAR by PLANNED PARENTHOOD, not every 17 years.

This is the site I use..........

Gun Violence Archive

www.gunviolencearchive.org

The Gun Violence Archive is a site that lies.

They use gang crime to push a false number for mass public shootings in this country.....if they lie on that, they will lie on everything else.....

 

[2aguy]

The FATAL FLAW to your site is that it lists no stat for number of crimes stopped or prevented by guns! Such stats are collected. The media is notoriously deficient in reporting situations where a crime likely was about to happen but the perp was scared away / defeated because the victim had a gun.

BUT WORTH NOTING is the maps of gun crimes. There is a red cluster of dots over every democrat-run major city.

These may not answer your question, but they give more info:

Defensive gun use - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Just Facts - Gun Control

Comprehensive and meticulously documented facts about gun control. Learn about ownership rates, crime, background checks, accidents, politics, and more.

www.justfacts.com

How often are guns used to stop crimes?

An armed homeowner ends a manhunt for two dangerous escaped convicts, adding ammunition to the debate about gun ownership.

www.wyff4.com

Actually.....here......studies conducted into gun self defense. The research groups are both private and government, often they are anti-gun in their view point......we also have the Centers For Disease Control, and the Department of Justice research....

In 2013, obama told the CDC to look at all gun research......that study is in the list as well...

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

 

[2aguy]

What's even sadder, is that you seem to have a problem with the 2nd Amendment.

That's VERY sad.

Fortunately for me, I have no political influence.

But tens of thousands of lives are lost to guns each year in USA alone.

And each year Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to stop brutal rapes, robberies, beatings, knifings, and murders......according to the Centers for Disease Control...

Guns save lives.

 

[2aguy]

What's even sadder, is that you seem to have a problem with the 2nd Amendment.

That's VERY sad.

Fortunately for me, I have no political influence.

But tens of thousands of lives are lost to guns each year in USA alone.

More were lost because of Fauci last year .....so please ....have some perspective. JEZZZZZ

Every life has paramount value. Tens of thousands of lives lost is a grand tragedy.

As Cars kill more people every single year than guns do....even if you include gun suicide...which I don't......the tragedy of car accidents is horrible...

 

[2aguy]

Justifiable homicide is rare. Here.

It is common in movies and video games.

You used the Violence Policy Center...sorry, not a legitimate source......they are rabidly anti-gun, and lie.

The FBI in their justifiable homicide data only includes shootings that end in dead bad guys, that is about 235 idiots, each year, who decide to press their attack against armed citizens............the 17 studies I listed look at all gun self defense.....the self defense that ends with the bad guys running away, surrendering, simply being wounded......and killing the bad guy.

The Violence Policy Center and other anti-gun sites do not include those types of gun self defense......so they never tell the whole story...

 

[2aguy]

Very sad. 572,000 people in 1999-2016.

National Gun Violence Memorial

Learn who is killed with guns in the U.S. every day.

gunmemorial.org

That comes to about 32,000 per year over an 18 year period.

The only way that works is that you have included suicides in the totals. Now, the only thing we really know about a gun suicide is that the person really, truly wanted to die. So, unless you have evidence that some who really wants to die, would not die if a gun were unavailable, your numbers are off.

Ask the Japanese.......they find that tall buildings and trains work just as well as guns....and they commit suicide at far higher rates than Americans do....as you know...

 

[Man of Ethics]

And each year Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to stop brutal rapes, robberies, beatings, knifings, and murders......according to the Centers for Disease Control...

Guns save lives.

In USA, there are about 300 cases of justifiable homicide per year. That is much rarer then murder and suicide.

 

[Man of Ethics]

Ask the Japanese.......they find that tall buildings and trains work just as well as guns....and they commit suicide at far higher rates than Americans do....as you know...

Sadly, Japanese people do not view suicide as a sin.

 

[WinterBorn]

And each year Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to stop brutal rapes, robberies, beatings, knifings, and murders......according to the Centers for Disease Control...

Guns save lives.

In USA, there are about 300 cases of justifiable homicide per year. That is much rarer then murder and suicide.

That only proves that American gun owners are not trigger happy. The fact that Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to stop brutal rapes, robberies, beatings, knifings, and murders, does not mean that American gun owners are blasting away at them. Just that the used the gun to stop a crime.

 

[WinterBorn]

Ask the Japanese.......they find that tall buildings and trains work just as well as guns....and they commit suicide at far higher rates than Americans do....as you know...

Sadly, Japanese people do not view suicide as a sin.

Not really relevant to what he said.

The Japanese commits far more suicides. And they do it without guns.

 

[Man of Ethics]

In USA, there are about 300 cases of justifiable homicide per year. That is much rarer then murder and suicide.

That only proves that American gun owners are not trigger happy. The fact that Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to stop brutal rapes, robberies, beatings, knifings, and murders, does not mean that American gun owners are blasting away at them. Just that the used the gun to stop a crime.

I do not know. Perhaps the stats for guns preventing crime are exaggerated.

Each year, about 300 assailants are killed in justifiable homicide in USA. That is very rare.

Most Americans base their opinions on movies where hundreds of villains are killed, rather then on reality.

 

[Man of Ethics]

The Japanese commits far more suicides. And they do it without guns.

Their problem is their rejection of Old Testament. They do not view suicide as a sin.

 

[WinterBorn]

In USA, there are about 300 cases of justifiable homicide per year. That is much rarer then murder and suicide.

That only proves that American gun owners are not trigger happy. The fact that Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to stop brutal rapes, robberies, beatings, knifings, and murders, does not mean that American gun owners are blasting away at them. Just that the used the gun to stop a crime.

I do not know. Perhaps the stats for guns preventing crime are exaggerated.

Each year, about 300 assailants are killed in justifiable homicide in USA. That is very rare.

Most Americans base their opinions on movies where hundreds of villains are killed, rather then on reality.

I don't know anyone who bases their decision to carry a concealed firearm on the movies. It is a serious decision. And the training would quickly put someone out of the notion that movie shootings are real.

 

[WinterBorn]

The Japanese commits far more suicides. And they do it without guns.

Their problem is their rejection of Old Testament. They do not view suicide as a sin.

In the context of this thread, whether they reject the Old Testament is irrelevant. They manage to commit suicide at a much higher rate than Americans, despite not having access to firearms.

 

[2aguy]

And each year Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to stop brutal rapes, robberies, beatings, knifings, and murders......according to the Centers for Disease Control...

Guns save lives.

In USA, there are about 300 cases of justifiable homicide per year. That is much rarer then murder and suicide.

And about 1.1 million times a year where Americans use their legal guns to scare off, capture and simply wound criminals without killing them......