Reshaping US aid to the Palestinians

[AzogtheDefiler]

Google is your friend. I will not do the research for you.

Listen to this. It is very brief but poignant and I agree with it 100%

I see. You DEMAND answers to your questions, but won’t provide them in return. To use your words...how rude.

I don't demand anything. I just ask that you please be honest and admit your bias toward Islam over Judaism.

Then I would not be honest. They are all roughly equal in my view with plenty of good and bad to go around. What you don’t get is I oppose demonizing any religion in the dishonest and downright dangerous way we see all too often.

You make a lot demands. Like the one you just made.

If there were any actual truth in your statement, then why don't your postings reflect it?

You have made many tens of thousands of postings in service to Islam, with hundreds, if not thousands of them demanding that people attack Christianity and Judaism whenever the subject involves Islam.

If you truly saw them as equal, it would not be so obvious to all concerned that you always defend Islam.

The topic is not about me. Start one in the FZ if you wish to get personal and I will join you.

Back to the topic. As I tell my kids. Help yourselves don't rely on others. Palestinians need to help themselves. Vote Hamas out. Vote Fatah out. Prove that you can live in peace and then we can discuss a two state solution.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Google is your friend. I will not do the research for you.

Listen to this. It is very brief but poignant and I agree with it 100%

I see. You DEMAND answers to your questions, but won’t provide them in return. To use your words...how rude.

I don't demand anything. I just ask that you please be honest and admit your bias toward Islam over Judaism.

Then I would not be honest. They are all roughly equal in my view with plenty of good and bad to go around. What you don’t get is I oppose demonizing any religion in the dishonest and downright dangerous way we see all too often.

You make a lot demands. Like the one you just made.

If there were any actual truth in your statement, then why don't your postings reflect it?

You have made many tens of thousands of postings in service to Islam, with hundreds, if not thousands of them demanding that people attack Christianity and Judaism whenever the subject involves Islam.

If you truly saw them as equal, it would not be so obvious to all concerned that you always defend Islam.

The topic is not about me. Start one in the FZ if you wish to get personal and I will join you.

You have called me a liar several times in this thread for telling the truth.


You seem to consider telling the truth about your pattern of behavior an attack, yet have no qualms about calling others a liar when they tell the truth.

One truth is that "Palestinians" are an intentional invention created in order to manipulate people.

 

[Coyote]

I see. You DEMAND answers to your questions, but won’t provide them in return. To use your words...how rude.

I don't demand anything. I just ask that you please be honest and admit your bias toward Islam over Judaism.

Then I would not be honest. They are all roughly equal in my view with plenty of good and bad to go around. What you don’t get is I oppose demonizing any religion in the dishonest and downright dangerous way we see all too often.

You make a lot demands. Like the one you just made.

If there were any actual truth in your statement, then why don't your postings reflect it?

You have made many tens of thousands of postings in service to Islam, with hundreds, if not thousands of them demanding that people attack Christianity and Judaism whenever the subject involves Islam.

If you truly saw them as equal, it would not be so obvious to all concerned that you always defend Islam.

The topic is not about me. Start one in the FZ if you wish to get personal and I will join you.

You have called me a liar several times in this thread for telling the truth.


You seem to consider telling the truth about your pattern of behavior an attack, yet have no qualms about calling others a liar when they tell the truth.

One truth is that "Palestinians" are an intentional invention created in order to manipulate people.

Palestinians are a people. It is a shame you, Sixties and others cant see that as you apply the same tactics of disenfranchisement and delegitimization on them as the antisemites do on Jews.

You are no different then they.

Let me know when you want to duke it out in the FZ since you seem incapable of refraining from making the topic about me.

Good day

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

I don't demand anything. I just ask that you please be honest and admit your bias toward Islam over Judaism.

Then I would not be honest. They are all roughly equal in my view with plenty of good and bad to go around. What you don’t get is I oppose demonizing any religion in the dishonest and downright dangerous way we see all too often.

You make a lot demands. Like the one you just made.

If there were any actual truth in your statement, then why don't your postings reflect it?

You have made many tens of thousands of postings in service to Islam, with hundreds, if not thousands of them demanding that people attack Christianity and Judaism whenever the subject involves Islam.

If you truly saw them as equal, it would not be so obvious to all concerned that you always defend Islam.

The topic is not about me. Start one in the FZ if you wish to get personal and I will join you.

You have called me a liar several times in this thread for telling the truth.


You seem to consider telling the truth about your pattern of behavior an attack, yet have no qualms about calling others a liar when they tell the truth.

One truth is that "Palestinians" are an intentional invention created in order to manipulate people.

Palestinians are a people. It is a shame you, Sixties and others cant see that as you apply the same tactics of disenfranchisement and delegitimization on them as the antisemites do on Jews.

You are no different then they.

Let me know when you want to duke it out in the FZ since you seem incapable of refraining from making the topic about me.

Good day

People who want Israel wiped off the face of the Earth.

 

[Shusha]

Jews are an amalgam of many peoples and Jewish origins include a multitude of languages, nations, tribes, and skin colors.



What is so bad about this?

Um. Because its completely, totally and insultingly wrong.

The Jewish people are not an amalgam of many peoples. They are one single, existing people who have, through miracles (!), managed to retain their culture, customs and traditions despite ethnic cleansing from their indigenous territory by invaders and the constant pressure to assimilate and erase their culture, customs and traditions, even in the face of pogroms, persecution, discrimination, forced conversion, expulsions and genocide. The Jewish origins do NOT include a "multitude" of languages, nations, tribes and skin colors. (Bringing up that last is gross, btw). The Jewish origins are a single, united, unified origin with ONE language and ONE nation and ONE land.

When you talk about Arab Palestinians you mostly make sense. But, wow, when you start talking about Jews, its ugly.

I truly don’t understand your reaction except in one way, acknowledging any of this in any way feeds into certain ugly anti Semitic canards, because this seems like such an extreme reaction.

I Did not mean Jewish origins, which originated with one people in one area thousands of years ago, but what there is today and acknowledging that diversity should not be ugly and doesn’t make Jews any less a people or a shared culture so why do you label it ugly? The people today are the result of a diaspora, which includes many other people from around the world in addition to the original Jews. It is glorious in fact that a tiny group of people managed to survive, spread around the world, retain, sometimes in vestiges their culture and practices, and then bring it all with them to Israel. Today’s Jews are light skinned, dark skinned, blonde, brunette, red haired....what is WRONG with acknowledging that? Why is it gross? Are they any less Jewish if they don’t fit a stereotype?

Jews today include a multitude of languages that are not Hebrew. In fact one obstacle to some in Aliyah is having to learn Hebrew. There is ONE language that unites them as a people, but they bring many languages from the diaspora with them and diverse cultural traditions as well as the Jewish traditions they have in common with their fellow Jews. Again why is acknowledging this and even celebrating it completely taboo, or as you label it ugly?

This makes discussing things like walking through a minefield.

It is taboo, ugly and a minefield because of the antisemitic canard that Jews = Europeans. That claim is a claim used to prevent Jews from their rights to their indigenous homeland.

Even something as seemingly simple as saying, "Jews are an amalgam of peoples" erases Jewish origins and history and the unified nature of the Jewish people. It is used to do just that.

 

[Shusha]

They all have holy sites.

So easy to have a holy site when you can just steal it from another people.

The three Abrahamic faiths are built upon one another, they have many sites in common. Why the need to denigrate any of them?

Even this is disingenuous. The three faiths are not built on one another. They don't have sites in common.

Can you give me an example of a Jewish holy site which was built on top of a Christian or Muslim site? Without having a pre-existing Jewish site?

 

[Dogmaphobe]

I don't demand anything. I just ask that you please be honest and admit your bias toward Islam over Judaism.

Then I would not be honest. They are all roughly equal in my view with plenty of good and bad to go around. What you don’t get is I oppose demonizing any religion in the dishonest and downright dangerous way we see all too often.

You make a lot demands. Like the one you just made.

If there were any actual truth in your statement, then why don't your postings reflect it?

You have made many tens of thousands of postings in service to Islam, with hundreds, if not thousands of them demanding that people attack Christianity and Judaism whenever the subject involves Islam.

If you truly saw them as equal, it would not be so obvious to all concerned that you always defend Islam.

The topic is not about me. Start one in the FZ if you wish to get personal and I will join you.

You have called me a liar several times in this thread for telling the truth.


You seem to consider telling the truth about your pattern of behavior an attack, yet have no qualms about calling others a liar when they tell the truth.

One truth is that "Palestinians" are an intentional invention created in order to manipulate people.

Palestinians are a people. It is a shame you, Sixties and others cant see that as you apply the same tactics of disenfranchisement and delegitimization on them as the antisemites do on Jews.

You are no different then they.

Let me know when you want to duke it out in the FZ since you seem incapable of refraining from making the topic about me.

Good day

I don't demand anything. I just ask that you please be honest and admit your bias toward Islam over Judaism.

Then I would not be honest. They are all roughly equal in my view with plenty of good and bad to go around. What you don’t get is I oppose demonizing any religion in the dishonest and downright dangerous way we see all too often.

You make a lot demands. Like the one you just made.

If there were any actual truth in your statement, then why don't your postings reflect it?

You have made many tens of thousands of postings in service to Islam, with hundreds, if not thousands of them demanding that people attack Christianity and Judaism whenever the subject involves Islam.

If you truly saw them as equal, it would not be so obvious to all concerned that you always defend Islam.

The topic is not about me. Start one in the FZ if you wish to get personal and I will join you.

You have called me a liar several times in this thread for telling the truth.


You seem to consider telling the truth about your pattern of behavior an attack, yet have no qualms about calling others a liar when they tell the truth.

One truth is that "Palestinians" are an intentional invention created in order to manipulate people.

Palestinians are a people. It is a shame you, Sixties and others cant see that as you apply the same tactics of disenfranchisement and delegitimization on them as the antisemites do on Jews.

You are no different then they.

Let me know when you want to duke it out in the FZ since you seem incapable of refraining from making the topic about me.

Good day

i have no intention of going to the basement with you, Coyote. If you cannot handle the truth without becoming this hysterical, that is your problem, not mine.

The truth of the matter, is that "Palestinians" are an intentional fabrication created as a weapon against Israel, and they have NEVER been about creating a state. If that were true, they would have been lobbying for one between 1948 and 1967. The reason they didn't is that they were Arabs who saw themselves simply as Arabs.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Jews are an amalgam of many peoples and Jewish origins include a multitude of languages, nations, tribes, and skin colors.



What is so bad about this?

Um. Because its completely, totally and insultingly wrong.

The Jewish people are not an amalgam of many peoples. They are one single, existing people who have, through miracles (!), managed to retain their culture, customs and traditions despite ethnic cleansing from their indigenous territory by invaders and the constant pressure to assimilate and erase their culture, customs and traditions, even in the face of pogroms, persecution, discrimination, forced conversion, expulsions and genocide. The Jewish origins do NOT include a "multitude" of languages, nations, tribes and skin colors. (Bringing up that last is gross, btw). The Jewish origins are a single, united, unified origin with ONE language and ONE nation and ONE land.

When you talk about Arab Palestinians you mostly make sense. But, wow, when you start talking about Jews, its ugly.

I truly don’t understand your reaction except in one way, acknowledging any of this in any way feeds into certain ugly anti Semitic canards, because this seems like such an extreme reaction.

I Did not mean Jewish origins, which originated with one people in one area thousands of years ago, but what there is today and acknowledging that diversity should not be ugly and doesn’t make Jews any less a people or a shared culture so why do you label it ugly? The people today are the result of a diaspora, which includes many other people from around the world in addition to the original Jews. It is glorious in fact that a tiny group of people managed to survive, spread around the world, retain, sometimes in vestiges their culture and practices, and then bring it all with them to Israel. Today’s Jews are light skinned, dark skinned, blonde, brunette, red haired....what is WRONG with acknowledging that? Why is it gross? Are they any less Jewish if they don’t fit a stereotype?

Jews today include a multitude of languages that are not Hebrew. In fact one obstacle to some in Aliyah is having to learn Hebrew. There is ONE language that unites them as a people, but they bring many languages from the diaspora with them and diverse cultural traditions as well as the Jewish traditions they have in common with their fellow Jews. Again why is acknowledging this and even celebrating it completely taboo, or as you label it ugly?

This makes discussing things like walking through a minefield.

It is taboo, ugly and a minefield because of the antisemitic canard that Jews = Europeans. That claim is a claim used to prevent Jews from their rights to their indigenous homeland.

Even something as seemingly simple as saying, "Jews are an amalgam of peoples" erases Jewish origins and history and the unified nature of the Jewish people. It is used to do just that.

How could a person who grew up in the United States even push that lie in the first place is what I wonder. It is such common knowledge in the States that Jewish people living in Europe kept to their own communities, married among themselves and followed their own culture that I would think only a foreigner growing up in an Islamic country would think otherwise.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Jews are an amalgam of many peoples and Jewish origins include a multitude of languages, nations, tribes, and skin colors.



What is so bad about this?

Um. Because its completely, totally and insultingly wrong.

The Jewish people are not an amalgam of many peoples. They are one single, existing people who have, through miracles (!), managed to retain their culture, customs and traditions despite ethnic cleansing from their indigenous territory by invaders and the constant pressure to assimilate and erase their culture, customs and traditions, even in the face of pogroms, persecution, discrimination, forced conversion, expulsions and genocide. The Jewish origins do NOT include a "multitude" of languages, nations, tribes and skin colors. (Bringing up that last is gross, btw). The Jewish origins are a single, united, unified origin with ONE language and ONE nation and ONE land.

When you talk about Arab Palestinians you mostly make sense. But, wow, when you start talking about Jews, its ugly.

I truly don’t understand your reaction except in one way, acknowledging any of this in any way feeds into certain ugly anti Semitic canards, because this seems like such an extreme reaction.

I Did not mean Jewish origins, which originated with one people in one area thousands of years ago, but what there is today and acknowledging that diversity should not be ugly and doesn’t make Jews any less a people or a shared culture so why do you label it ugly? The people today are the result of a diaspora, which includes many other people from around the world in addition to the original Jews. It is glorious in fact that a tiny group of people managed to survive, spread around the world, retain, sometimes in vestiges their culture and practices, and then bring it all with them to Israel. Today’s Jews are light skinned, dark skinned, blonde, brunette, red haired....what is WRONG with acknowledging that? Why is it gross? Are they any less Jewish if they don’t fit a stereotype?

Jews today include a multitude of languages that are not Hebrew. In fact one obstacle to some in Aliyah is having to learn Hebrew. There is ONE language that unites them as a people, but they bring many languages from the diaspora with them and diverse cultural traditions as well as the Jewish traditions they have in common with their fellow Jews. Again why is acknowledging this and even celebrating it completely taboo, or as you label it ugly?

This makes discussing things like walking through a minefield.

It is taboo, ugly and a minefield because of the antisemitic canard that Jews = Europeans. That claim is a claim used to prevent Jews from their rights to their indigenous homeland.

Even something as seemingly simple as saying, "Jews are an amalgam of peoples" erases Jewish origins and history and the unified nature of the Jewish people. It is used to do just that.

How could a person who grew up in the United States even push that lie in the first place is what I wonder. It is such common knowledge in the States that Jewish people living in Europe kept to their own communities, married among themselves and followed their own culture that I would think only a foreigner growing up in an Islamic country would think otherwise.

You forget all the Palestinians like Linda Sarsour and others who have for the past 40 years been passing false history and ideas about the Jewish people, especially about the Ashkenazi.
So, no wonder that some Americans and Europeans will think that way.

The Labour party used to be pro Israel
The Democratic party used to be pro Israel.

They have managed to turn it around for now.

The time will come....

 

[member]

[Islam will not allow Jews to become sovereign of their own destiny on land they once conquered.

It is not Islam that is against Jews - it is all in the Quran - but Palestinians. And lets not get into the rest of your bull$hit.

". . .it is all in the Quran. . ."



are there pictures in the q'uran?


what pages can we find ....passages that preach or "instructs".... ME to act this way?








Aren't you sick and tired of crazy people holding up the q'uran and a bazooka gun - sending this underlying sinister message? what the HECK is the world supposed to think ? what page is that on ? the pawn[poor] palestinians....aren't you sick and tired of "their terrorist leaders" and their ways... bomb kites. insanity. No wonder there has to be re-shaping of aid ......i "ain't" paying for terrorist and their ...daily bomb needs....we know there are muslims who don't hold up the q'uran and a gun and dabble in terrorism.....why do they skip over that part....and go right to the ...diabolical part? what page is that on again?

 

[Coyote]

Jews are an amalgam of many peoples and Jewish origins include a multitude of languages, nations, tribes, and skin colors.



What is so bad about this?

Um. Because its completely, totally and insultingly wrong.

The Jewish people are not an amalgam of many peoples. They are one single, existing people who have, through miracles (!), managed to retain their culture, customs and traditions despite ethnic cleansing from their indigenous territory by invaders and the constant pressure to assimilate and erase their culture, customs and traditions, even in the face of pogroms, persecution, discrimination, forced conversion, expulsions and genocide. The Jewish origins do NOT include a "multitude" of languages, nations, tribes and skin colors. (Bringing up that last is gross, btw). The Jewish origins are a single, united, unified origin with ONE language and ONE nation and ONE land.

When you talk about Arab Palestinians you mostly make sense. But, wow, when you start talking about Jews, its ugly.

I truly don’t understand your reaction except in one way, acknowledging any of this in any way feeds into certain ugly anti Semitic canards, because this seems like such an extreme reaction.

I Did not mean Jewish origins, which originated with one people in one area thousands of years ago, but what there is today and acknowledging that diversity should not be ugly and doesn’t make Jews any less a people or a shared culture so why do you label it ugly? The people today are the result of a diaspora, which includes many other people from around the world in addition to the original Jews. It is glorious in fact that a tiny group of people managed to survive, spread around the world, retain, sometimes in vestiges their culture and practices, and then bring it all with them to Israel. Today’s Jews are light skinned, dark skinned, blonde, brunette, red haired....what is WRONG with acknowledging that? Why is it gross? Are they any less Jewish if they don’t fit a stereotype?

Jews today include a multitude of languages that are not Hebrew. In fact one obstacle to some in Aliyah is having to learn Hebrew. There is ONE language that unites them as a people, but they bring many languages from the diaspora with them and diverse cultural traditions as well as the Jewish traditions they have in common with their fellow Jews. Again why is acknowledging this and even celebrating it completely taboo, or as you label it ugly?

This makes discussing things like walking through a minefield.

It is taboo, ugly and a minefield because of the antisemitic canard that Jews = Europeans. That claim is a claim used to prevent Jews from their rights to their indigenous homeland.

Even something as seemingly simple as saying, "Jews are an amalgam of peoples" erases Jewish origins and history and the unified nature of the Jewish people. It is used to do just that.

How could a person who grew up in the United States even push that lie in the first place is what I wonder. It is such common knowledge in the States that Jewish people living in Europe kept to their own communities, married among themselves and followed their own culture that I would think only a foreigner growing up in an Islamic country would think otherwise.

You are obviously borderline retarded then. Why don’t your use your much bragged upon Stanford educated brain? Jews did what any other people would do in a diaspora that spread across the world. They married outside their community. If, for what, three thousand years or more this tiny group of people only married among themselves you would have the most inbred population earth and that is clearly not true. But keep on trying to make this personal, it is what you do best.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Jews are an amalgam of many peoples and Jewish origins include a multitude of languages, nations, tribes, and skin colors.



What is so bad about this?

Um. Because its completely, totally and insultingly wrong.

The Jewish people are not an amalgam of many peoples. They are one single, existing people who have, through miracles (!), managed to retain their culture, customs and traditions despite ethnic cleansing from their indigenous territory by invaders and the constant pressure to assimilate and erase their culture, customs and traditions, even in the face of pogroms, persecution, discrimination, forced conversion, expulsions and genocide. The Jewish origins do NOT include a "multitude" of languages, nations, tribes and skin colors. (Bringing up that last is gross, btw). The Jewish origins are a single, united, unified origin with ONE language and ONE nation and ONE land.

When you talk about Arab Palestinians you mostly make sense. But, wow, when you start talking about Jews, its ugly.

I truly don’t understand your reaction except in one way, acknowledging any of this in any way feeds into certain ugly anti Semitic canards, because this seems like such an extreme reaction.

I Did not mean Jewish origins, which originated with one people in one area thousands of years ago, but what there is today and acknowledging that diversity should not be ugly and doesn’t make Jews any less a people or a shared culture so why do you label it ugly? The people today are the result of a diaspora, which includes many other people from around the world in addition to the original Jews. It is glorious in fact that a tiny group of people managed to survive, spread around the world, retain, sometimes in vestiges their culture and practices, and then bring it all with them to Israel. Today’s Jews are light skinned, dark skinned, blonde, brunette, red haired....what is WRONG with acknowledging that? Why is it gross? Are they any less Jewish if they don’t fit a stereotype?

Jews today include a multitude of languages that are not Hebrew. In fact one obstacle to some in Aliyah is having to learn Hebrew. There is ONE language that unites them as a people, but they bring many languages from the diaspora with them and diverse cultural traditions as well as the Jewish traditions they have in common with their fellow Jews. Again why is acknowledging this and even celebrating it completely taboo, or as you label it ugly?

This makes discussing things like walking through a minefield.

It is taboo, ugly and a minefield because of the antisemitic canard that Jews = Europeans. That claim is a claim used to prevent Jews from their rights to their indigenous homeland.

Even something as seemingly simple as saying, "Jews are an amalgam of peoples" erases Jewish origins and history and the unified nature of the Jewish people. It is used to do just that.

How could a person who grew up in the United States even push that lie in the first place is what I wonder. It is such common knowledge in the States that Jewish people living in Europe kept to their own communities, married among themselves and followed their own culture that I would think only a foreigner growing up in an Islamic country would think otherwise.

You are obviously borderline retarded then. Why don’t your use your much bragged upon Stanford educated brain? Jews did what any other people would do in a diaspora that spread across the world. They married outside their community. If, for what, three thousand years or more this tiny group of people only married among themselves you would have the most population earth and that is clearly not true. But keep on trying to make this personal, it is what you do best.

Many became Christians as you know. Hitler killed approx 6 mil. It’s a culture not just a religion. I am as religious as you.

 

[Coyote]

Then I would not be honest. They are all roughly equal in my view with plenty of good and bad to go around. What you don’t get is I oppose demonizing any religion in the dishonest and downright dangerous way we see all too often.

You make a lot demands. Like the one you just made.

If there were any actual truth in your statement, then why don't your postings reflect it?

You have made many tens of thousands of postings in service to Islam, with hundreds, if not thousands of them demanding that people attack Christianity and Judaism whenever the subject involves Islam.

If you truly saw them as equal, it would not be so obvious to all concerned that you always defend Islam.

The topic is not about me. Start one in the FZ if you wish to get personal and I will join you.

You have called me a liar several times in this thread for telling the truth.


You seem to consider telling the truth about your pattern of behavior an attack, yet have no qualms about calling others a liar when they tell the truth.

One truth is that "Palestinians" are an intentional invention created in order to manipulate people.

Palestinians are a people. It is a shame you, Sixties and others cant see that as you apply the same tactics of disenfranchisement and delegitimization on them as the antisemites do on Jews.

You are no different then they.

Let me know when you want to duke it out in the FZ since you seem incapable of refraining from making the topic about me.

Good day

Then I would not be honest. They are all roughly equal in my view with plenty of good and bad to go around. What you don’t get is I oppose demonizing any religion in the dishonest and downright dangerous way we see all too often.

You make a lot demands. Like the one you just made.

If there were any actual truth in your statement, then why don't your postings reflect it?

You have made many tens of thousands of postings in service to Islam, with hundreds, if not thousands of them demanding that people attack Christianity and Judaism whenever the subject involves Islam.

If you truly saw them as equal, it would not be so obvious to all concerned that you always defend Islam.

The topic is not about me. Start one in the FZ if you wish to get personal and I will join you.

You have called me a liar several times in this thread for telling the truth.


You seem to consider telling the truth about your pattern of behavior an attack, yet have no qualms about calling others a liar when they tell the truth.

One truth is that "Palestinians" are an intentional invention created in order to manipulate people.

Palestinians are a people. It is a shame you, Sixties and others cant see that as you apply the same tactics of disenfranchisement and delegitimization on them as the antisemites do on Jews.

You are no different then they.

Let me know when you want to duke it out in the FZ since you seem incapable of refraining from making the topic about me.

Good day

i have no intention of going to the basement with you, Coyote. If you cannot handle the truth without becoming this hysterical, that is your problem, not mine.

The truth of the matter, is that "Palestinians" are an intentional fabrication created as a weapon against Israel, and they have NEVER been about creating a state. If that were true, they would have been lobbying for one between 1948 and 1967. The reason they didn't is that they were Arabs who saw themselves simply as Arabs.

Of course you don’t. You would much rather derail a thread while pretending to be on topic with your throw away lines because you are far to cowardly to take to the FZ where it belongs aren’t you?

And, like the antisemites you pretend to revile, you take a page right out of their books in denying the Palestinians their identity as a people...after all, as far as you are concerned all Arab cultures are the same from Morocco to Yemen to Egypt. Why don’t you take a geography course and learn something for a change?

 

[Coyote]

Um. Because its completely, totally and insultingly wrong.

The Jewish people are not an amalgam of many peoples. They are one single, existing people who have, through miracles (!), managed to retain their culture, customs and traditions despite ethnic cleansing from their indigenous territory by invaders and the constant pressure to assimilate and erase their culture, customs and traditions, even in the face of pogroms, persecution, discrimination, forced conversion, expulsions and genocide. The Jewish origins do NOT include a "multitude" of languages, nations, tribes and skin colors. (Bringing up that last is gross, btw). The Jewish origins are a single, united, unified origin with ONE language and ONE nation and ONE land.

When you talk about Arab Palestinians you mostly make sense. But, wow, when you start talking about Jews, its ugly.

I truly don’t understand your reaction except in one way, acknowledging any of this in any way feeds into certain ugly anti Semitic canards, because this seems like such an extreme reaction.

I Did not mean Jewish origins, which originated with one people in one area thousands of years ago, but what there is today and acknowledging that diversity should not be ugly and doesn’t make Jews any less a people or a shared culture so why do you label it ugly? The people today are the result of a diaspora, which includes many other people from around the world in addition to the original Jews. It is glorious in fact that a tiny group of people managed to survive, spread around the world, retain, sometimes in vestiges their culture and practices, and then bring it all with them to Israel. Today’s Jews are light skinned, dark skinned, blonde, brunette, red haired....what is WRONG with acknowledging that? Why is it gross? Are they any less Jewish if they don’t fit a stereotype?

Jews today include a multitude of languages that are not Hebrew. In fact one obstacle to some in Aliyah is having to learn Hebrew. There is ONE language that unites them as a people, but they bring many languages from the diaspora with them and diverse cultural traditions as well as the Jewish traditions they have in common with their fellow Jews. Again why is acknowledging this and even celebrating it completely taboo, or as you label it ugly?

This makes discussing things like walking through a minefield.

It is taboo, ugly and a minefield because of the antisemitic canard that Jews = Europeans. That claim is a claim used to prevent Jews from their rights to their indigenous homeland.

Even something as seemingly simple as saying, "Jews are an amalgam of peoples" erases Jewish origins and history and the unified nature of the Jewish people. It is used to do just that.

How could a person who grew up in the United States even push that lie in the first place is what I wonder. It is such common knowledge in the States that Jewish people living in Europe kept to their own communities, married among themselves and followed their own culture that I would think only a foreigner growing up in an Islamic country would think otherwise.

You are obviously borderline retarded then. Why don’t your use your much bragged upon Stanford educated brain? Jews did what any other people would do in a diaspora that spread across the world. They married outside their community. If, for what, three thousand years or more this tiny group of people only married among themselves you would have the most population earth and that is clearly not true. But keep on trying to make this personal, it is what you do best.

Many became Christians as you know. Hitler killed approx 6 mil. It’s a culture not just a religion. I am as religious as you.

I happen to agree it is a culture. What is your point?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

I truly don’t understand your reaction except in one way, acknowledging any of this in any way feeds into certain ugly anti Semitic canards, because this seems like such an extreme reaction.

I Did not mean Jewish origins, which originated with one people in one area thousands of years ago, but what there is today and acknowledging that diversity should not be ugly and doesn’t make Jews any less a people or a shared culture so why do you label it ugly? The people today are the result of a diaspora, which includes many other people from around the world in addition to the original Jews. It is glorious in fact that a tiny group of people managed to survive, spread around the world, retain, sometimes in vestiges their culture and practices, and then bring it all with them to Israel. Today’s Jews are light skinned, dark skinned, blonde, brunette, red haired....what is WRONG with acknowledging that? Why is it gross? Are they any less Jewish if they don’t fit a stereotype?

Jews today include a multitude of languages that are not Hebrew. In fact one obstacle to some in Aliyah is having to learn Hebrew. There is ONE language that unites them as a people, but they bring many languages from the diaspora with them and diverse cultural traditions as well as the Jewish traditions they have in common with their fellow Jews. Again why is acknowledging this and even celebrating it completely taboo, or as you label it ugly?

This makes discussing things like walking through a minefield.

It is taboo, ugly and a minefield because of the antisemitic canard that Jews = Europeans. That claim is a claim used to prevent Jews from their rights to their indigenous homeland.

Even something as seemingly simple as saying, "Jews are an amalgam of peoples" erases Jewish origins and history and the unified nature of the Jewish people. It is used to do just that.

How could a person who grew up in the United States even push that lie in the first place is what I wonder. It is such common knowledge in the States that Jewish people living in Europe kept to their own communities, married among themselves and followed their own culture that I would think only a foreigner growing up in an Islamic country would think otherwise.

You are obviously borderline retarded then. Why don’t your use your much bragged upon Stanford educated brain? Jews did what any other people would do in a diaspora that spread across the world. They married outside their community. If, for what, three thousand years or more this tiny group of people only married among themselves you would have the most population earth and that is clearly not true. But keep on trying to make this personal, it is what you do best.

Many became Christians as you know. Hitler killed approx 6 mil. It’s a culture not just a religion. I am as religious as you.

I happen to agree it is a culture. What is your point?

My point is we don’t blow up buildings, kill people for drawing cartoons or for leaving the religion or for being gay. Don’t put us on the same level as those who do.

 

[Coyote]

Jews are an amalgam of many peoples and Jewish origins include a multitude of languages, nations, tribes, and skin colors.



What is so bad about this?

Um. Because its completely, totally and insultingly wrong.

The Jewish people are not an amalgam of many peoples. They are one single, existing people who have, through miracles (!), managed to retain their culture, customs and traditions despite ethnic cleansing from their indigenous territory by invaders and the constant pressure to assimilate and erase their culture, customs and traditions, even in the face of pogroms, persecution, discrimination, forced conversion, expulsions and genocide. The Jewish origins do NOT include a "multitude" of languages, nations, tribes and skin colors. (Bringing up that last is gross, btw). The Jewish origins are a single, united, unified origin with ONE language and ONE nation and ONE land.

When you talk about Arab Palestinians you mostly make sense. But, wow, when you start talking about Jews, its ugly.

I truly don’t understand your reaction except in one way, acknowledging any of this in any way feeds into certain ugly anti Semitic canards, because this seems like such an extreme reaction.

I Did not mean Jewish origins, which originated with one people in one area thousands of years ago, but what there is today and acknowledging that diversity should not be ugly and doesn’t make Jews any less a people or a shared culture so why do you label it ugly? The people today are the result of a diaspora, which includes many other people from around the world in addition to the original Jews. It is glorious in fact that a tiny group of people managed to survive, spread around the world, retain, sometimes in vestiges their culture and practices, and then bring it all with them to Israel. Today’s Jews are light skinned, dark skinned, blonde, brunette, red haired....what is WRONG with acknowledging that? Why is it gross? Are they any less Jewish if they don’t fit a stereotype?

Jews today include a multitude of languages that are not Hebrew. In fact one obstacle to some in Aliyah is having to learn Hebrew. There is ONE language that unites them as a people, but they bring many languages from the diaspora with them and diverse cultural traditions as well as the Jewish traditions they have in common with their fellow Jews. Again why is acknowledging this and even celebrating it completely taboo, or as you label it ugly?

This makes discussing things like walking through a minefield.

It is taboo, ugly and a minefield because of the antisemitic canard that Jews = Europeans. That claim is a claim used to prevent Jews from their rights to their indigenous homeland.

Even something as seemingly simple as saying, "Jews are an amalgam of peoples" erases Jewish origins and history and the unified nature of the Jewish people. It is used to do just that.

You know Shusha, maybe you ought to consider INTENT before just slamming something as ugly. It IS possible to celebrate and admire the rich diversity of Jewish culture WITHOUT delegitimizing it as a culture! But I guess that is absolutely taboo around here. And while you are at it, consider the INTENT of those who refer to Palestinians “Arab Moslems” and place that along side the words in your last paragraph.

 

[Coyote]

It is taboo, ugly and a minefield because of the antisemitic canard that Jews = Europeans. That claim is a claim used to prevent Jews from their rights to their indigenous homeland.

Even something as seemingly simple as saying, "Jews are an amalgam of peoples" erases Jewish origins and history and the unified nature of the Jewish people. It is used to do just that.

How could a person who grew up in the United States even push that lie in the first place is what I wonder. It is such common knowledge in the States that Jewish people living in Europe kept to their own communities, married among themselves and followed their own culture that I would think only a foreigner growing up in an Islamic country would think otherwise.

You are obviously borderline retarded then. Why don’t your use your much bragged upon Stanford educated brain? Jews did what any other people would do in a diaspora that spread across the world. They married outside their community. If, for what, three thousand years or more this tiny group of people only married among themselves you would have the most population earth and that is clearly not true. But keep on trying to make this personal, it is what you do best.

Many became Christians as you know. Hitler killed approx 6 mil. It’s a culture not just a religion. I am as religious as you.

I happen to agree it is a culture. What is your point?

My point is we don’t blow up buildings, kill people for drawing cartoons or for leaving the religion or for being gay. Don’t put us on the same level as those who do.

Neither do most Muslims. But hey, who cares about facts?

 

[Coyote]

They all have holy sites.

So easy to have a holy site when you can just steal it from another people.

The three Abrahamic faiths are built upon one another, they have many sites in common. Why the need to denigrate any of them?

Even this is disingenuous. The three faiths are not built on one another. They don't have sites in common.

Can you give me an example of a Jewish holy site which was built on top of a Christian or Muslim site? Without having a pre-existing Jewish site?

You are correct. What I should have said was Christianity was built upon Judaism and Islam was built upon Judaism and Christianity. My bad. I was attempting to point out the interrelatedness of the faiths.

 

[Shusha]

Jews are an amalgam of many peoples and Jewish origins include a multitude of languages, nations, tribes, and skin colors.



What is so bad about this?

Um. Because its completely, totally and insultingly wrong.

The Jewish people are not an amalgam of many peoples. They are one single, existing people who have, through miracles (!), managed to retain their culture, customs and traditions despite ethnic cleansing from their indigenous territory by invaders and the constant pressure to assimilate and erase their culture, customs and traditions, even in the face of pogroms, persecution, discrimination, forced conversion, expulsions and genocide. The Jewish origins do NOT include a "multitude" of languages, nations, tribes and skin colors. (Bringing up that last is gross, btw). The Jewish origins are a single, united, unified origin with ONE language and ONE nation and ONE land.

When you talk about Arab Palestinians you mostly make sense. But, wow, when you start talking about Jews, its ugly.

I truly don’t understand your reaction except in one way, acknowledging any of this in any way feeds into certain ugly anti Semitic canards, because this seems like such an extreme reaction.

I Did not mean Jewish origins, which originated with one people in one area thousands of years ago, but what there is today and acknowledging that diversity should not be ugly and doesn’t make Jews any less a people or a shared culture so why do you label it ugly? The people today are the result of a diaspora, which includes many other people from around the world in addition to the original Jews. It is glorious in fact that a tiny group of people managed to survive, spread around the world, retain, sometimes in vestiges their culture and practices, and then bring it all with them to Israel. Today’s Jews are light skinned, dark skinned, blonde, brunette, red haired....what is WRONG with acknowledging that? Why is it gross? Are they any less Jewish if they don’t fit a stereotype?

Jews today include a multitude of languages that are not Hebrew. In fact one obstacle to some in Aliyah is having to learn Hebrew. There is ONE language that unites them as a people, but they bring many languages from the diaspora with them and diverse cultural traditions as well as the Jewish traditions they have in common with their fellow Jews. Again why is acknowledging this and even celebrating it completely taboo, or as you label it ugly?

This makes discussing things like walking through a minefield.

It is taboo, ugly and a minefield because of the antisemitic canard that Jews = Europeans. That claim is a claim used to prevent Jews from their rights to their indigenous homeland.

Even something as seemingly simple as saying, "Jews are an amalgam of peoples" erases Jewish origins and history and the unified nature of the Jewish people. It is used to do just that.

You know Shusha, maybe you ought to consider INTENT before just slamming something as ugly. It IS possible to celebrate and admire the rich diversity of Jewish culture WITHOUT delegitimizing it as a culture! But I guess that is absolutely taboo around here. And while you are at it, consider the INTENT of those who refer to Palestinians “Arab Moslems” and place that along side the words in your last paragraph.

I don't know your intent. I can only read your words.

People on this board regularly use the idea that Jews are nothing more than invading, colonizing Europeans All. The. Time. On this board. And in general.

So when you type "Jews are an amalgam of many peoples and Jewish origins include a multitude of different languages, nations, tribes and skin colours" what should I consider your intent to be?

Because that sounds eerily similar to my ears. It sounds like you are saying Jews are not A people but a mix of different people from all over the world who have a mix of different origins.

That denies the common, indigenous heritage of the Jewish people.

 

[Coyote]

Jews are an amalgam of many peoples and Jewish origins include a multitude of languages, nations, tribes, and skin colors.



What is so bad about this?

Um. Because its completely, totally and insultingly wrong.

The Jewish people are not an amalgam of many peoples. They are one single, existing people who have, through miracles (!), managed to retain their culture, customs and traditions despite ethnic cleansing from their indigenous territory by invaders and the constant pressure to assimilate and erase their culture, customs and traditions, even in the face of pogroms, persecution, discrimination, forced conversion, expulsions and genocide. The Jewish origins do NOT include a "multitude" of languages, nations, tribes and skin colors. (Bringing up that last is gross, btw). The Jewish origins are a single, united, unified origin with ONE language and ONE nation and ONE land.

When you talk about Arab Palestinians you mostly make sense. But, wow, when you start talking about Jews, its ugly.

I truly don’t understand your reaction except in one way, acknowledging any of this in any way feeds into certain ugly anti Semitic canards, because this seems like such an extreme reaction.

I Did not mean Jewish origins, which originated with one people in one area thousands of years ago, but what there is today and acknowledging that diversity should not be ugly and doesn’t make Jews any less a people or a shared culture so why do you label it ugly? The people today are the result of a diaspora, which includes many other people from around the world in addition to the original Jews. It is glorious in fact that a tiny group of people managed to survive, spread around the world, retain, sometimes in vestiges their culture and practices, and then bring it all with them to Israel. Today’s Jews are light skinned, dark skinned, blonde, brunette, red haired....what is WRONG with acknowledging that? Why is it gross? Are they any less Jewish if they don’t fit a stereotype?

Jews today include a multitude of languages that are not Hebrew. In fact one obstacle to some in Aliyah is having to learn Hebrew. There is ONE language that unites them as a people, but they bring many languages from the diaspora with them and diverse cultural traditions as well as the Jewish traditions they have in common with their fellow Jews. Again why is acknowledging this and even celebrating it completely taboo, or as you label it ugly?

This makes discussing things like walking through a minefield.

It is taboo, ugly and a minefield because of the antisemitic canard that Jews = Europeans. That claim is a claim used to prevent Jews from their rights to their indigenous homeland.

Even something as seemingly simple as saying, "Jews are an amalgam of peoples" erases Jewish origins and history and the unified nature of the Jewish people. It is used to do just that.

You know Shusha, maybe you ought to consider INTENT before just slamming something as ugly. It IS possible to celebrate and admire the rich diversity of Jewish culture WITHOUT delegitimizing it as a culture! But I guess that is absolutely taboo around here. And while you are at it, consider the INTENT of those who refer to Palestinians “Arab Moslems” and place that along side the words in your last paragraph.

I don't know your intent. I can only read your words.

People on this board regularly use the idea that Jews are nothing more than invading, colonizing Europeans All. The. Time. On this board. And in general.

So when you type "Jews are an amalgam of many peoples and Jewish origins include a multitude of different languages, nations, tribes and skin colours" what should I consider your intent to be?

Because that sounds eerily similar to my ears. It sounds like you are saying Jews are not A people but a mix of different people from all over the world who have a mix of different origins.

That denies the common, indigenous heritage of the Jewish people.

Have I ever done that?