REPUBLICANS: Why wasn't the wall taken care of in Trump's first two years?

[dannyboys]

The president failed to get broad support for his plan. Even from his own party. That is his failing. It's not the job of Congress,( a co-equal branch of govt), to give a president everything they want.

The President has made multiple counter offers as part of negotiations with the Democrats standing with violent illegals / criminals, and Pelosi has reportedly stated she / they will give the President NOTHING - no 'win' - out of pure hatred and political partisanship / political gain.

Snowflakes like you have LIED by declaring the President is holding the US hostage, but he is the only one working to try to negotiate a deal in the best interest of the American people to get a deal done and the govt back pen. Pelosi, Schumer, and the Democrats, are instead refusing to give the President and American people anything and are instead attempting to ram their desire to open back up the govt while continuing to do nothing to ensure our sovereignty, secure our borders, and Protect Americans.

THEY are holding Americans hostage!

They've offered to continue negotiations with the govt reopened. Seems reasonable.

If you believe the DEMs would
"negotiate" after Trump reopened the government without wall funding you are ******* delusional!
Nancy has already declared under NO circumstance will the DEMs agree to fund the wall.
You can't get much clearer than that.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

They've offered to continue negotiations with the govt reopened.

Do you think everyone is as stupid as you or that others are as stupid as Gruber and Democrats thinks you are?

'Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.'
- It's not the 2nd, 3rd or even 4th that taught the lesson, It was the hundreds of times after that 2nd one.

'We will negotiate with you on potentially funding border security AFTER you surrender completely without any assurances we will keep our word...'

'Obamacare will not cost a dime...it will pay for itself...it will lower the cost of health insurance.'

'If you like your plan and your doctor you can keep your plan and doctor.'

'It was a protest over a video.'

'We did not spy on the American people ... or US Senate ... or the USSC.'

'I did not have sex with that woman.'

Bwuhahahaha.....

Please forgive me when I laugh in your face at the offer from Democrats that if you give them what they want now they will THINK about negotiating / compromising with you later base on their 'word' they would do so.

Do you think everyone is as stupid as you or that others are as stupid as Gruber and Democrats thinks you are?

No. Just you. You're rhetoric has been shown to be empty headed.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

They've offered to continue negotiations with the govt reopened. Seems reasonable.

You think "give us what we want first" then "we'll talk about giving you what you want" seems reasonable to you? Even Donald Trump isn't foolish enough to fall for that one, he'd be committing political suicide since his base would go ballistic.

He's either got to get something substantial that he can take back to his base so he can declare victory OR he has to hold out until the pain is so intense that he can be forgiven for capitulating and we're not there yet.

Everyone should want the govt reopened.

Why do you believe the president's opposition party should be held responsible for passing the president's promised legislation that his own party doesn't even support?

The very notion is retarded.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

The president failed to get broad support for his plan. Even from his own party. That is his failing. It's not the job of Congress,( a co-equal branch of govt), to give a president everything they want.

The President has made multiple counter offers as part of negotiations with the Democrats standing with violent illegals / criminals, and Pelosi has reportedly stated she / they will give the President NOTHING - no 'win' - out of pure hatred and political partisanship / political gain.

Snowflakes like you have LIED by declaring the President is holding the US hostage, but he is the only one working to try to negotiate a deal in the best interest of the American people to get a deal done and the govt back pen. Pelosi, Schumer, and the Democrats, are instead refusing to give the President and American people anything and are instead attempting to ram their desire to open back up the govt while continuing to do nothing to ensure our sovereignty, secure our borders, and Protect Americans.

THEY are holding Americans hostage!

They've offered to continue negotiations with the govt reopened. Seems reasonable.

If you believe the DEMs would
"negotiate" after Trump reopened the government without wall funding you are ******* delusional!
Nancy has already declared under NO circumstance will the DEMs agree to fund the wall.
You can't get much clearer than that.

Great. Then what makes you think a shutdown changes that?

 

[NightFox]

They've offered to continue negotiations with the govt reopened. Seems reasonable.

You think "give us what we want first" then "we'll talk about giving you what you want" seems reasonable to you? Even Donald Trump isn't foolish enough to fall for that one, he'd be committing political suicide since his base would go ballistic.

He's either got to get something substantial that he can take back to his base so he can declare victory OR he has to hold out until the pain is so intense that he can be forgiven for capitulating and we're not there yet.

Everyone should want the govt reopened.

Why? What substantial negative effects are the majority of Americans feeling from this "shutdown"?

Why do you believe the president's opposition party should be held responsible for passing the president's promised legislation that his own party doesn't even support?

I never said I believed that, what I'm telling you that you're not understanding is that for Trump to risk losing his base by prematurely caving in based on a promise to "continue negotiating" with an opposition party that has publicly made it clear that they loathe him and everything he stands for is completely unrealistic from a political standpoint.

If you were him, would you do that?

 

[Mr.Blonde]

The reason is simple both Republicans and Democrats are trying to rush amnesty and to give everyone automatic citizenship. They believe that whichever party does it will have a generation of almost complete control.

No matter who passes it Democrats will get the control because they want every poor educated unskilled reject and they will want the benefits.

If I were Trump I would agree to some sort of immigration reform as long as there were a complete end to all federal funding for welfare programs.

No, Mexico isn't paying for wall through Trump's trade deal

~S~

Fantasy. Amazing.
.

Define what the word "MUCH" means. He said much of the wall has already been renovated.
Do you know how much of the wall has been already renovated?
If you don't know then STFU.
I get a little tired of people constantly calling Trump a liar when in fact they are lying themselves.

Okay, fair enough.

In Trumpworld, "much" can mean "anything more than 0.01%".

Stipulated. You got me.

Now, why is this only a NATIONAL EMERGENCY now that the Dems have the House?
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Because Trump was counting on Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell to do their damned jobs and they didn't do it.
He gave them the rope they wanted to hang themselves and they're hanging in the breeze as we speak.

This where Trump was a little naive. He thought since they were elected in part because of the wall they would pass it for no other reason than to keep their jobs.

 

[easyt65]

Let's review.

-Dems have passed border security bills in the past only to be ignored by Republicans.
*** THEY HAVE ENGAGED IN POLITICAL THEATER, ATTEMPTING TO CONVINCE POEOPLE THEY WANT TO SECURE THE BORDER, ENFORCE EXISTING IMMIGRATION LAW, AND STOP THE FLOW OF ILLEGALS INTO THE US....WHILE RUNNING VIOLENT ILLEGAL / COP-KILLER ANCTUARY-PROVIDING SANCTUARY CITIES AND ENGAGING IN ILLEGAL ELECTION FRAUD BY ALLOWING / USING ILLEGALS' VOTES, AS SEEN IN BROWARD COUNTRY THIS PAT ELECTION...


- Trump pledges to build a "big, beautiful border wall" despite there being no popular support for it.
*** THIS STATEMENT IS A LIE AS THERE IS PLENTY OF SUPPORT FOR IT - A MAJOR HE WAS ELECTED WAS THIS PROMISE.

- Trump's own majority in congress was repeatedly unable to deliver any support for the wall.
*** THE GOP DOES NOT HAVE THE NUMBERS TO RAM IT THROUGH INTO LAW AS DEMOCRATS DID OBAMACARE

- Dems win the House back and Pelosi is likely to be Speaker.
*** THE TRUMP-HATING TROLL HAS SAID SHE WILL NOT GIVE THE PRESIDENT ANYTHING / A 'WIN', INDICATING HER HATRED FOR TRUMP REMAINS STRONGER THAN HER LOVE OF COUNTRY AND DESIRE TO PROTECT THE COUNTRY / AMERICANS

- Trump first Arees to sign a clean CR and the Congress obliges. Trump then refuses to sign it citing no wall funding.
*** TRUMP HAD MADE IT CLEAR - NO WALL FUNDING, NO SPENDING BILL PASSAGE. WERE THE DEMOCRATS NOT LISTENING OR ARE THEY JUST STUPID?

- Trump makes a show of " negotiations" with the Dems where he states he "will be proud to take the blame for a shutdown"
*** BUT YOU LEAVE OUT HOW HE STATED HE WOULD ONLY DO SO IF THE DEMOCRATS CONTINUED TO REFUSE TO SPEND MONEY ON WHAT THEY VOTED FOR IN 2007

[
- The House passes a new CR with funding but the Republican led Senate does not vote on the measure and the govt shuts down.
*** YOU AGAIN LEAVE OUT HOW DEMOCRATS REFUSE TO OFFER MONEY FOR THE WALL, DESPITE AGREEING TO GIVE THE CORRUP ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT CARAVAN SOURCES - VENZUELA, ARGENTINA, GUATEMALA, AND MEXICO - MORE THAN $12 BILLION

-The new congress is sworn in and the Dems offer to continue negotiations
*** YOU JUST ADMNITTED THAT DEMOCRATS OFFERED TO CONTINUE NEGOTIATIONS AFTER THE GOVT IS REOPENNED, WHICH EVERYONE KNOWS THAT IS A LIE / SCREW JOB BY DEMOCRATS WHO HAVE ALREADY VOWED 100% COMMITTMENT TO OBSTRUCTING TRUMP AND THE GOP AND VOWING NOT TO GIVE HIM ANYTHING / A WIN

- Dems pass bills to reopen govt. No action taken yet by Republicans.
*** DEMOCRATS ATTEMPT TO RAM THEIR OWN AGENDA - THEIR VIOLENT UNCIVIL INTOLERNACE OF ANY OPPOSITION OF WHAT THEY DEMAND PAST THE PRESIDENT

YOU ALSO LEFT OUT THE PART WHERE THE DEMOCRATS WHO CLAIM TO GIVE A DAMN ABOUT ENSURING OUR SOVEREIGNTY, SECURING OUR BORDERS, ENFORCING EXISTNIG IMMIGRATION LAWS, AND PROTECTING US CITIZENS ARE ACTUALKLY INSTEAD STANDING WITH ILLEGALS TO SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT TO MAKE SURE OUR BORDERS REMAIN OPEN, ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION CONTINUES, COP KILLER PROTECTING SANCTUARY CITIES REMAIN IN OPERATION, AND DEMOCRATS CONTINUE TO EBGAGE IN NATION-BETRAYING/UNDRMINING ELECTION FRAUD THROUGH THE ALLOWING / ENCOURAGEMENT / DEFENDING OF ILLEGALS VOTING IN US ELECTIONS, AS SEEN IN BROWARD COUNTRY THIS LAST ELECTION.

IF YOU ARE GOING TO 'REVIEW' BE HONEST....BUT OF COURSE, DOING SO WOULD MEAN YOU WOULD DESTROY YOUR OWN ARGUMENTS.

 

[Dragonlady]

This all seems pretty silly. If this is a "national emergency", why is Trump willing to shut down the government NOW, all of a sudden, when the GOP's strength has decreased so much?

It was his biggest promise. And he waits until the Democrats have the House?


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Because he wanted the tax cuts. He cut the tax on the wealthy paying for the ACA $29 thousand, and he cut taxes on the wealthy across the board, as well as taxes on corporations. This put millions of dollars in his own pocket, in pertpetuity. Gotta take take of #1 first and foremost.

He needs the wall for his base for his re-election. He has manufactured this crisis on the southern border to justify the wall - separating families, creating the cruelties being inflicted on refugee claimants. It takes time to vilify people fleeing terrorists and crime. He's trying to make things so bad on the southern border that violence will break out, thus proving his case.

The wall is totally unneccessary, won't work, and quite frankly, the USA cannot afford another $50 billion expenditure on the credit card, given Trump is currently running the biggest deficits in the history of the nation.

The tax cut was a HUGE mistake. You cut taxes when you have a SURPLUS, not a deficit. You can't keep running these masssive Republican deficits. Democrats may be the party of "tax and spend" but they "tax" before they spend to pay for their programs, and they spend on people, not war, not the wealthy, and not the military.

This massive military machine the US has built since WWII is draining the vitality from your nation. But to blame your allies for this folly would be false. Americans built this military force of their own volition and for their own purposes. Instead of asking your allies to spend more, it is time for you to spend less. Russia is not the military might it once was. The Chinese don't have the techology. Your army is a waste of time and money, unless you intend to continue to dominate the world, in which case, don't expect the rest of your allies to fund it.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

They've offered to continue negotiations with the govt reopened. Seems reasonable.

You think "give us what we want first" then "we'll talk about giving you what you want" seems reasonable to you? Even Donald Trump isn't foolish enough to fall for that one, he'd be committing political suicide since his base would go ballistic.

He's either got to get something substantial that he can take back to his base so he can declare victory OR he has to hold out until the pain is so intense that he can be forgiven for capitulating and we're not there yet.

Everyone should want the govt reopened.

Why? What substantial negative effects are the majority of Americans feeling from this "shutdown"?

Why do you believe the president's opposition party should be held responsible for passing the president's promised legislation that his own party doesn't even support?

I never said I believed that, what I'm telling you that you're not understanding is that for Trump to risk losing his base by prematurely caving in based on a promise to "continue negotiating" with an opposition party that has publicly made it clear that they loathe him and everything he stands for is completely unrealistic from a political standpoint.

If you were him, would you do that?

LOL
If you believe the shutdown is on the Dems or they're otherwise responsible for resolving this than that is exactly what you are saying.

This is the president's mess. Not the Dems.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Let's review.

-Dems have passed border security bills in the past only to be ignored by Republicans.
*** THEY HAVE ENGAGED IN POLITICAL THEATER, ATTEMPTING TO CONVINCE POEOPLE THEY WANT TO SECURE THE BORDER, ENFORCE EXISTING IMMIGRATION LAW, AND STOP THE FLOW OF ILLEGALS INTO THE US....WHILE RUNNING VIOLENT ILLEGAL / COP-KILLER ANCTUARY-PROVIDING SANCTUARY CITIES AND ENGAGING IN ILLEGAL ELECTION FRAUD BY ALLOWING / USING ILLEGALS' VOTES, AS SEEN IN BROWARD COUNTRY THIS PAT ELECTION...


- Trump pledges to build a "big, beautiful border wall" despite there being no popular support for it.
*** THIS STATEMENT IS A LIE AS THERE IS PLENTY OF SUPPORT FOR IT - A MAJOR HE WAS ELECTED WAS THIS PROMISE.

- Trump's own majority in congress was repeatedly unable to deliver any support for the wall.
*** THE GOP DOES NOT HAVE THE NUMBERS TO RAM IT THROUGH INTO LAW AS DEMOCRATS DID OBAMACARE

- Dems win the House back and Pelosi is likely to be Speaker.
*** THE TRUMP-HATING TROLL HAS SAID SHE WILL NOT GIVE THE PRESIDENT ANYTHING / A 'WIN', INDICATING HER HATRED FOR TRUMP REMAINS STRONGER THAN HER LOVE OF COUNTRY AND DESIRE TO PROTECT THE COUNTRY / AMERICANS

- Trump first Arees to sign a clean CR and the Congress obliges. Trump then refuses to sign it citing no wall funding.
*** TRUMP HAD MADE IT CLEAR - NO WALL FUNDING, NO SPENDING BILL PASSAGE. WERE THE DEMOCRATS NOT LISTENING OR ARE THEY JUST STUPID?

- Trump makes a show of " negotiations" with the Dems where he states he "will be proud to take the blame for a shutdown"
*** BUT YOU LEAVE OUT HOW HE STATED HE WOULD ONLY DO SO IF THE DEMOCRATS CONTINUED TO REFUSE TO SPEND MONEY ON WHAT THEY VOTED FOR IN 2007

[
- The House passes a new CR with funding but the Republican led Senate does not vote on the measure and the govt shuts down.
*** YOU AGAIN LEAVE OUT HOW DEMOCRATS REFUSE TO OFFER MONEY FOR THE WALL, DESPITE AGREEING TO GIVE THE CORRUP ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT CARAVAN SOURCES - VENZUELA, ARGENTINA, GUATEMALA, AND MEXICO - MORE THAN $12 BILLION

-The new congress is sworn in and the Dems offer to continue negotiations
*** YOU JUST ADMNITTED THAT DEMOCRATS OFFERED TO CONTINUE NEGOTIATIONS AFTER THE GOVT IS REOPENNED, WHICH EVERYONE KNOWS THAT IS A LIE / SCREW JOB BY DEMOCRATS WHO HAVE ALREADY VOWED 100% COMMITTMENT TO OBSTRUCTING TRUMP AND THE GOP AND VOWING NOT TO GIVE HIM ANYTHING / A WIN

- Dems pass bills to reopen govt. No action taken yet by Republicans.
*** DEMOCRATS ATTEMPT TO RAM THEIR OWN AGENDA - THEIR VIOLENT UNCIVIL INTOLERNACE OF ANY OPPOSITION OF WHAT THEY DEMAND PAST THE PRESIDENT

YOU ALSO LEFT OUT THE PART WHERE THE DEMOCRATS WHO CLAIM TO GIVE A DAMN ABOUT ENSURING OUR SOVEREIGNTY, SECURING OUR BORDERS, ENFORCING EXISTNIG IMMIGRATION LAWS, AND PROTECTING US CITIZENS ARE ACTUALKLY INSTEAD STANDING WITH ILLEGALS TO SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT TO MAKE SURE OUR BORDERS REMAIN OPEN, ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION CONTINUES, COP KILLER PROTECTING SANCTUARY CITIES REMAIN IN OPERATION, AND DEMOCRATS CONTINUE TO EBGAGE IN NATION-BETRAYING/UNDRMINING ELECTION FRAUD THROUGH THE ALLOWING / ENCOURAGEMENT / DEFENDING OF ILLEGALS VOTING IN US ELECTIONS, AS SEEN IN BROWARD COUNTRY THIS LAST ELECTION.

IF YOU ARE GOING TO 'REVIEW' BE HONEST....BUT OF COURSE, DOING SO WOULD MEAN YOU WOULD DESTROY YOUR OWN ARGUMENTS.

Like I said. Empty headed rhetoric.

Nowhere in that equation did the Dems shutdown the govt. The Republican led Senate didn't even vote.

 

[blackhawk]

It takes 60 votes to get something passed in the Senate he didn't have them the shutudown is a risk but at this point it's really the only option left.

America should shut Trump down

~S~

See you really put a lot thought into that response.

 

[blackhawk]

It takes 60 votes to get something passed in the Senate he didn't have them the shutudown is a risk but at this point it's really the only option left.

Plenty of options.

Really? Then why are still dealing with the same illegal immigration problem we have had since the 80s?

 

[NightFox]

They've offered to continue negotiations with the govt reopened. Seems reasonable.

You think "give us what we want first" then "we'll talk about giving you what you want" seems reasonable to you? Even Donald Trump isn't foolish enough to fall for that one, he'd be committing political suicide since his base would go ballistic.

He's either got to get something substantial that he can take back to his base so he can declare victory OR he has to hold out until the pain is so intense that he can be forgiven for capitulating and we're not there yet.

Everyone should want the govt reopened.

Why? What substantial negative effects are the majority of Americans feeling from this "shutdown"?

Why do you believe the president's opposition party should be held responsible for passing the president's promised legislation that his own party doesn't even support?

I never said I believed that, what I'm telling you that you're not understanding is that for Trump to risk losing his base by prematurely caving in based on a promise to "continue negotiating" with an opposition party that has publicly made it clear that they loathe him and everything he stands for is completely unrealistic from a political standpoint.

If you were him, would you do that?

LOL
If you believe the shutdown is on the Dems or they're otherwise responsible for resolving this than that is exactly what you are saying.

ROFLMAO! Are you on an acid trip or do you just have a reading disorder? Where did I say that I believed that "the shutdown is on the Dems or that they're otherwise responsible for resolving this"?

If you're going to try to deflect from your ridiculously naïve assertion regarding what "seems reasonable" then you're going to have to try harder than to just try to put words in my mouth.

 

[easyt65]

Like I said. Empty headed rhetoric.

Your lies, propaganda, half-truths, and denials have been debunked. You still can not excuse away when Democrats continue to run illegal Federal Law-violating Sanctuary Cities that protect violent illegals, rapists, thieves, human traffickers, and cop killers like the one just arrested planning to flee back to Mexico while trying to claim they are FOR securing our borders, protecting Americans, and EXECUTION OF EXISTING IMMIGRATION AND OTHER LAWS.

Only a brainwashed snowflake could believe a Democrats who is operating an illegal Sanctuary City in violation of existing US laws who says he is actually FOR law enforcement.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

It takes 60 votes to get something passed in the Senate he didn't have them the shutudown is a risk but at this point it's really the only option left.

Plenty of options.

Really? Then why are still dealing with the same illegal immigration problem we have had since the 80s?

I was speaking to the shutdown but it is a
good question.
I would say that one party has been less willing to deal than the other over the last thirty years.

How immigration reform failed, over and over

 

[easyt65]

Really? Then why are still dealing with the same illegal immigration problem we have had since the 80s?

Perhaps it has something to do with Obama's refusal to enforce existing immigration laws

Perhaps it has something to do with Obama's demand that the DOJ not arrest/charge/convict illegals for crimes less than felonies - a 'right' US citizens are not granted

Perhaps it has something to do with Democrats giving illegals who break our laws access to US citizen funded social program hand-outs

Perhaps it has something to do with Democrats refusing to mandate all US businesses use E-Verify and to hammer the crap out of any business caught hiring illegals

Perhaps it has something to do with the Democrats' power and greed, their desire to reacquire and hold on to power so badly that they are repeatedly caught engaging in election fraud by registering illegals to vote, caught allowing illegals to vote, and after being caught justifying it and arguing for the ability to continue to do so, as seen in Broward Country recently

Perhaps it has something to do with the Democrats actually VIOLATING Federal laws and facilitating the violent crimes committed by illegals, human traffickers, MS13, and COP KILLERS by providing them with safe haven, protection from criminal charges / convictions, deportations, and hide these illegals from ICA / release them so they can go out and victimize US citizens again, like the Cop Killer did after 3 other altercations with the law from which he was protected....

Just a thought.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Like I said. Empty headed rhetoric.

Your lies, propaganda, half-truths, and denials have been debunked. You still can not excuse away when Democrats continue to run illegal Federal Law-violating Sanctuary Cities that protect violent illegals, rapists, thieves, human traffickers, and cop killers like the one just arrested planning to flee back to Mexico while trying to claim they are FOR securing our borders, protecting Americans, and EXECUTION OF EXISTING IMMIGRATION AND OTHER LAWS.

Only a brainwashed snowflake could believe a Democrats who is operating an illegal Sanctuary City in violation of existing US laws who says he is actually FOR law enforcement.

I gave you a nice review complete with links. It was neither lies nor propaganda.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

They've offered to continue negotiations with the govt reopened. Seems reasonable.

You think "give us what we want first" then "we'll talk about giving you what you want" seems reasonable to you? Even Donald Trump isn't foolish enough to fall for that one, he'd be committing political suicide since his base would go ballistic.

He's either got to get something substantial that he can take back to his base so he can declare victory OR he has to hold out until the pain is so intense that he can be forgiven for capitulating and we're not there yet.

Everyone should want the govt reopened.

Why? What substantial negative effects are the majority of Americans feeling from this "shutdown"?

Why do you believe the president's opposition party should be held responsible for passing the president's promised legislation that his own party doesn't even support?

I never said I believed that, what I'm telling you that you're not understanding is that for Trump to risk losing his base by prematurely caving in based on a promise to "continue negotiating" with an opposition party that has publicly made it clear that they loathe him and everything he stands for is completely unrealistic from a political standpoint.

If you were him, would you do that?

LOL
If you believe the shutdown is on the Dems or they're otherwise responsible for resolving this than that is exactly what you are saying.

ROFLMAO! Are you on an acid trip or do you just have a reading disorder? Where did I say that I believed that "the shutdown is on the Dems or that they're otherwise responsible for resolving this"?

If you're going to try to deflect from your ridiculously naïve assertion regarding what "seems reasonable" then you're going to have to try harder than to just try to put words in my mouth.

Great. So we agree this is Trump's debacle.

 

[NightFox]

You think "give us what we want first" then "we'll talk about giving you what you want" seems reasonable to you? Even Donald Trump isn't foolish enough to fall for that one, he'd be committing political suicide since his base would go ballistic.

He's either got to get something substantial that he can take back to his base so he can declare victory OR he has to hold out until the pain is so intense that he can be forgiven for capitulating and we're not there yet.

Everyone should want the govt reopened.

Why? What substantial negative effects are the majority of Americans feeling from this "shutdown"?

Why do you believe the president's opposition party should be held responsible for passing the president's promised legislation that his own party doesn't even support?

I never said I believed that, what I'm telling you that you're not understanding is that for Trump to risk losing his base by prematurely caving in based on a promise to "continue negotiating" with an opposition party that has publicly made it clear that they loathe him and everything he stands for is completely unrealistic from a political standpoint.

If you were him, would you do that?

LOL
If you believe the shutdown is on the Dems or they're otherwise responsible for resolving this than that is exactly what you are saying.

ROFLMAO! Are you on an acid trip or do you just have a reading disorder? Where did I say that I believed that "the shutdown is on the Dems or that they're otherwise responsible for resolving this"?

If you're going to try to deflect from your ridiculously naïve assertion regarding what "seems reasonable" then you're going to have to try harder than to just try to put words in my mouth.

Great. So we agree this is Trump's debacle.

No we don't agree because the BLAME was never the question.

Your foolish assertion that a proposal by the Democrats that is tantamount to "We'll agree to allow you to commit political suicide" falls anywhere near REASONABLE was the point of contention.

If you want to talk about BLAME then it's clear that Trump is the one that's painted himself into a corner and created this impasse.

 

[easyt65]

I gave you a nice review complete with links. It was neither lies nor propaganda.

You gave me BS Dem talking point, false narratives, & political theatrics which I debunked and filled in all the inconvenient truths and fact you, Pelosi, and the Democrats don't want to hear or talk about.