Republicans really aren't smart enough to understand capitalism

[Pumpkin Row]

The government shouldn't have the power to influence the market in the first place, as no good comes from it.

Child labor laws are not good?

No, they aren't. Going to work is a decision someone makes, as is working for a specific wage. In fact, the only reason children were going to work for low wages was the Great Depression, which was caused by the government in the first place, which we can thank Marxist Ideology for.

 

[dblack]

The economy serves to allocate resources throughout society. It serves our society. As does government. We have the ability to arrange them in ways that best suit our needs as a society.

No one should have that kind of power. Again, the economy is people. When you talk about controlling the economy, you're talking controlling people. This is why socialism is inherently authoritarian. You can't do it without violating the most basic individual rights.

 

[Tehon]

Again, the economy is people.

It's people in motion. Financing, production, buying and selling (the markets). It is a social system that provides for the allocation of resources. The term is derived from Greek, house management. Managing the affairs of the house is not passive. Do you sit around and hope your family's needs are magically met by an unforeseen hand or do you actively ensure that they are.

When you talk about controlling the economy, you're talking controlling people.

So that they act in the best interests of the society. So? We have developed a whole legal system independent of the economic system intended for the same purpose. Is that a problem?

You can't do it without violating the most basic individual rights.

What basic right is being violated? Keeping in mind that you gave up some of your freedom when you chose this country as your home.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

 

[Tehon]

The government shouldn't have the power to influence the market in the first place, as no good comes from it.

Child labor laws are not good?

No, they aren't. Going to work is a decision someone makes, as is working for a specific wage. In fact, the only reason children were going to work for low wages was the Great Depression, which was caused by the government in the first place, which we can thank Marxist Ideology for.

Were you home schooled? Do you know what year the great depression started?

The September 1906 edition of Cosmopolitan magazine recounts a story once told of an old Native American chieftain. The chieftain was given a tour of the modern city of New York. On this excursion, he saw the soaring heights of the grand skyscrapers and the majesty of the Brooklyn Bridge. He observed the comfortable masses gathered in amusement at the circus and the poor huddled in tenements. Upon the completion of the chieftain’s journey, several Christian men asked him, “What is the most surprising thing you have seen?” The chieftain replied slowly with three words: “little children working.”2
History of child labor in the United States—part 1: little children working : Monthly Labor Review: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics


What do you know about Marxist ideology? The same as you know of child labor, nothing?

 

[Pumpkin Row]

The government shouldn't have the power to influence the market in the first place, as no good comes from it.

Child labor laws are not good?

No, they aren't. Going to work is a decision someone makes, as is working for a specific wage. In fact, the only reason children were going to work for low wages was the Great Depression, which was caused by the government in the first place, which we can thank Marxist Ideology for.

Were you home schooled? Do you know what year the great depression started?

The September 1906 edition of Cosmopolitan magazine recounts a story once told of an old Native American chieftain. The chieftain was given a tour of the modern city of New York. On this excursion, he saw the soaring heights of the grand skyscrapers and the majesty of the Brooklyn Bridge. He observed the comfortable masses gathered in amusement at the circus and the poor huddled in tenements. Upon the completion of the chieftain’s journey, several Christian men asked him, “What is the most surprising thing you have seen?” The chieftain replied slowly with three words: “little children working.”2
History of child labor in the United States—part 1: little children working : Monthly Labor Review: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics


What do you know about Marxist ideology? The same as you know of child labor, nothing?

Yes, actually, and Home schoolers consistently score higher test scores than the government educated, so I'll take that question as a compliment.

Yes, I do know when it started, or rather, when Marxism started the Great Depression.

I specified "for low wages". You only nitpicked so you could act like you knew... well... anything. I never claimed when child labor started, or why, only that the pay was low because of the Great Depression.

That it doesn't work, hasn't worked, and will never work. I'm also aware of all of its numerous failures around the world and through history.

 

[Tehon]

Yes, I do know when it started, or rather, when Marxism started the Great Depression.

Can you elaborate? Can you tie Marxism to the great depression? It doesn't appear as though you've been asked to read Marx as part of your education, thought that is no different than the public education system.

I never claimed when child labor started, or why, only that the pay was low because of the Great Depression.

Ah, so children were paid better before the great depression?

Yes, actually, and Home schoolers consistently score higher test scores than the government educated, so I'll take that question as a compliment.

I didn't ask the question because I thought you unintelligent, quite the contrary actually, you seem like a very intelligent person. Unfortunately I get the sense that you have been indoctrinated beyond anything the public school system could have hoped to accomplish.

 

[dblack]

When you talk about controlling the economy, you're talking controlling people.

So that they act in the best interests of the society. So?

This exactly what I find intolerable about all authoritarian ideologies. You see people as property of the state. I see it the other way around.

 

[Tehon]

When you talk about controlling the economy, you're talking controlling people.

So that they act in the best interests of the society. So?

This exactly what I find intolerable about all authoritarian ideologies. You see people as property of the state. I see it the other way around.

We are a collection of people organized into a society. It's called the United States of America. Submit to the will of the people or leave and find a small corner of the planet that you can occupy by yourself where no one can infringe upon your individualism.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Yes, I do know when it started, or rather, when Marxism started the Great Depression.

Can you elaborate? Can you tie Marxism to the great depression? It doesn't appear as though you've been asked to read Marx as part of your education, thought that is no different than the public education system.

I never claimed when child labor started, or why, only that the pay was low because of the Great Depression.

Ah, so children were paid better before the great depression?

Yes, actually, and Home schoolers consistently score higher test scores than the government educated, so I'll take that question as a compliment.

I didn't ask the question because I thought you unintelligent, quite the contrary actually, you seem like a very intelligent person. Unfortunately I get the sense that you have been indoctrinated beyond anything the public school system could have hoped to accomplish.

Yes, I can. The government's tampering with the US currency started it, and then Franklin Roosevelt's Socialist Policies extended it by 7 years. His NRA and NIRA was a big part of preventing the economy from recovering and promoted monopolies. In fact, the Great Depression would have been roughly 4 years max, or never happened at all, had Roosevelt sat on his hands and done absolutely nothing.

Well, yeah, during the Great Depression, people suffered drastic wage cuts, and jobs were taken where they could be. Wages dropped 40% for everyone, so yeah, it's safe to say that children were paid more before the Great Depression. In fact, kids were in lower demand in the job market because so many were unemployed, giving employers the opportunity to choose qualified adults.

I haven't been indoctrinated at all, as my parents are actually AGAINST my political views.

 

[dblack]

When you talk about controlling the economy, you're talking controlling people.

So that they act in the best interests of the society. So?

This exactly what I find intolerable about all authoritarian ideologies. You see people as property of the state. I see it the other way around.

We are a collection of people organized into a society. It's called the United States of America. Submit to the will of the people or leave and find a small corner of the planet that you can occupy by yourself where no one can infringe upon your individualism.

No.

**** the will of the people.

In a free society, government protects individuals from the will of the people.

 

[dblack]

We are a collection of people organized into a society. It's called the United States of America.

No, the United States of America is a national government, not a society. Societies create governments. I'm guessing you think it's the other way around, eh? That governments create societies?

 

[Tehon]

Yes, I can. The government's tampering with the US currency started it, and then Franklin Roosevelt's Socialist Policies extended it by 7 years. His NRA and NIRA was a big part of preventing the economy from recovering and promoted monopolies. In fact, the Great Depression would have been roughly 4 years max, or never happened at all, had Roosevelt sat on his hands and done absolutely nothing.

How does any of this relate to the theories of Karl Marx?

 

[Tehon]

When you talk about controlling the economy, you're talking controlling people.

So that they act in the best interests of the society. So?

This exactly what I find intolerable about all authoritarian ideologies. You see people as property of the state. I see it the other way around.

We are a collection of people organized into a society. It's called the United States of America.

No, the United States of America is a national government, not a society. Societies create governments. I'm guessing you think it's the other way around, eh? That governments create societies?

Who created our government? Here is a hint.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

 

[dblack]

When you talk about controlling the economy, you're talking controlling people.

So that they act in the best interests of the society. So?

This exactly what I find intolerable about all authoritarian ideologies. You see people as property of the state. I see it the other way around.

We are a collection of people organized into a society. It's called the United States of America.

No, the United States of America is a national government, not a society. Societies create governments. I'm guessing you think it's the other way around, eh? That governments create societies?

Who created our government? Here is a hint.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Well then we agree. Earlier, you seemed to be conflating society with government. I'll take it as a typo.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Yes, I can. The government's tampering with the US currency started it, and then Franklin Roosevelt's Socialist Policies extended it by 7 years. His NRA and NIRA was a big part of preventing the economy from recovering and promoted monopolies. In fact, the Great Depression would have been roughly 4 years max, or never happened at all, had Roosevelt sat on his hands and done absolutely nothing.

How does any of this relate to the theories of Karl Marx?

Because Socialism is Marxism, which is a theory of Karl Marx. FDR's NRA and NIRA were a government takeover of Private Industry, Social Control of the means of production in other words. The Government tampering of US currency that I'm referring to is the establishing of the Federal Reserve, which is the cause of the Great Depression.

 

[Tehon]

So that they act in the best interests of the society. So?

This exactly what I find intolerable about all authoritarian ideologies. You see people as property of the state. I see it the other way around.

We are a collection of people organized into a society. It's called the United States of America.

No, the United States of America is a national government, not a society. Societies create governments. I'm guessing you think it's the other way around, eh? That governments create societies?

Who created our government? Here is a hint.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Well then we agree. Earlier, you seemed to be conflating society with government. I'll take it as a typo.

We the people agreed to form a government in order to assist with the organization of our society. We call our society the United States of America. That's what was meant.

 

[Tehon]

Yes, I can. The government's tampering with the US currency started it, and then Franklin Roosevelt's Socialist Policies extended it by 7 years. His NRA and NIRA was a big part of preventing the economy from recovering and promoted monopolies. In fact, the Great Depression would have been roughly 4 years max, or never happened at all, had Roosevelt sat on his hands and done absolutely nothing.

How does any of this relate to the theories of Karl Marx?

Because Socialism is Marxism, which is a theory of Karl Marx. FDR's NRA and NIRA were a government takeover of Private Industry, Social Control of the means of production in other words. The Government tampering of US currency that I'm referring to is the establishing of the Federal Reserve, which is the cause of the Great Depression.

You've never read Karl Marx. Please refrain from using his name or theories in the future. You have no knowledge of which you speak. Thanks.

 

[dblack]

This exactly what I find intolerable about all authoritarian ideologies. You see people as property of the state. I see it the other way around.

We are a collection of people organized into a society. It's called the United States of America.

No, the United States of America is a national government, not a society. Societies create governments. I'm guessing you think it's the other way around, eh? That governments create societies?

Who created our government? Here is a hint.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Well then we agree. Earlier, you seemed to be conflating society with government. I'll take it as a typo.

We the people agreed to form a government in order to assist with the organization of our society. We call our society the United States of America. That's what was meant.

Fair enough. I'm always leery of attempts to equate government with a society, or even a 'country'. To me they're not the same thing at all.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Yes, I can. The government's tampering with the US currency started it, and then Franklin Roosevelt's Socialist Policies extended it by 7 years. His NRA and NIRA was a big part of preventing the economy from recovering and promoted monopolies. In fact, the Great Depression would have been roughly 4 years max, or never happened at all, had Roosevelt sat on his hands and done absolutely nothing.

How does any of this relate to the theories of Karl Marx?

Because Socialism is Marxism, which is a theory of Karl Marx. FDR's NRA and NIRA were a government takeover of Private Industry, Social Control of the means of production in other words. The Government tampering of US currency that I'm referring to is the establishing of the Federal Reserve, which is the cause of the Great Depression.

You've never read Karl Marx. Please refrain from using his name or theories in the future. You have no knowledge of which you speak. Thanks.

I also know that when confronted with their failures, they like to claim the person explaining said failures to them know nothing about their failed ideology.

 

[Tehon]

Yes, I can. The government's tampering with the US currency started it, and then Franklin Roosevelt's Socialist Policies extended it by 7 years. His NRA and NIRA was a big part of preventing the economy from recovering and promoted monopolies. In fact, the Great Depression would have been roughly 4 years max, or never happened at all, had Roosevelt sat on his hands and done absolutely nothing.

How does any of this relate to the theories of Karl Marx?

Because Socialism is Marxism, which is a theory of Karl Marx. FDR's NRA and NIRA were a government takeover of Private Industry, Social Control of the means of production in other words. The Government tampering of US currency that I'm referring to is the establishing of the Federal Reserve, which is the cause of the Great Depression.

You've never read Karl Marx. Please refrain from using his name or theories in the future. You have no knowledge of which you speak. Thanks.

I also know that when confronted with their failures, they like to claim the person explaining said failures to them know nothing about their failed ideology.

You've never read Marx. You have no knowledge of what you are speaking. Having knowledge of something is a prerequisite to having an intelligent conversation about the subject. You know nothing about his dialectics or historic materialism. That is a fact, isn't it?