Republicans really aren't smart enough to understand capitalism

[Tehon]

You are right about one thing, though. Republicans don't understand Capitalism. Neither do Democrats, Socialists, Liberals, or anyone else that believes America is capitalist.

Is capitalism some secret utopian shit that only you can understand or something? Of course America is capitalist. The means of production is owned privately by owners who employ wage labor for the purpose of capital accumulation. That is capitalism.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

You are right about one thing, though. Republicans don't understand Capitalism. Neither do Democrats, Socialists, Liberals, or anyone else that believes America is capitalist.

Is capitalism some secret utopian shit that only you can understand or something? Of course America is capitalist. The means of production is owned privately by owners who employ wage labor for the purpose of capital accumulation. That is capitalism.

Capitalism is inherently separate from the government, and is driven by competition and consumer choice. What we have right now is a fascistic corporatist state. What I said, I did so because the Republicans and the Democrats get into office and both expand the government more. As of right now, both parties are nearly entirely populated by shills.

Funny how that describes exactly what's going on, and isn't capitalism. It's not hard to understand, but a lot of people seem to think that because politicians and news media state it over and over, it must be true. Like calling America a Democracy, or calling Donald Trump a racist. Likewise, they refer to America as Capitalist, yet the market has not been free for decades.

 

[Tehon]

You are right about one thing, though. Republicans don't understand Capitalism. Neither do Democrats, Socialists, Liberals, or anyone else that believes America is capitalist.

Is capitalism some secret utopian shit that only you can understand or something? Of course America is capitalist. The means of production is owned privately by owners who employ wage labor for the purpose of capital accumulation. That is capitalism.

Capitalism is inherently separate from the government, and is driven by competition and consumer choice. What we have right now is a fascistic corporatist state. What I said, I did so because the Republicans and the Democrats get into office and both expand the government more. As of right now, both parties are nearly entirely populated by shills.

Funny how that describes exactly what's going on, and isn't capitalism. It's not hard to understand, but a lot of people seem to think that because politicians and news media state it over and over, it must be true. Like calling America a Democracy, or calling Donald Trump a racist. Likewise, they refer to America as Capitalist, yet the market has not been free for decades.

You are comparing apples to oranges. Corporatism, as your definition professes, is a sociopolitical organization. Capitalism is an economic system. They are not mutually exclusive. Fascist Italy produced commodities by way of a capitalist mode of production. Ditto for Nazi Germany.

 

[ColonelAngus]

Socialism is the answer. My Morkie looks tasty. Not much meat...he is only 4 pounds, but I would gladly eat him to become a socialist utopia.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

You are right about one thing, though. Republicans don't understand Capitalism. Neither do Democrats, Socialists, Liberals, or anyone else that believes America is capitalist.

Is capitalism some secret utopian shit that only you can understand or something? Of course America is capitalist. The means of production is owned privately by owners who employ wage labor for the purpose of capital accumulation. That is capitalism.

Capitalism is inherently separate from the government, and is driven by competition and consumer choice. What we have right now is a fascistic corporatist state. What I said, I did so because the Republicans and the Democrats get into office and both expand the government more. As of right now, both parties are nearly entirely populated by shills.

Funny how that describes exactly what's going on, and isn't capitalism. It's not hard to understand, but a lot of people seem to think that because politicians and news media state it over and over, it must be true. Like calling America a Democracy, or calling Donald Trump a racist. Likewise, they refer to America as Capitalist, yet the market has not been free for decades.

You are comparing apples to oranges. Corporatism, as your definition professes, is a sociopolitical organization. Capitalism is an economic system. They are not mutually exclusive. Fascist Italy produced commodities by way of a capitalist mode of production. Ditto for Nazi Germany.

They are mutually exclusive, because Capitalism can't exist within Corporatism. If Corporations are using the government for their gain, then that means the private industry and the government are not separate, as Capitalism requires them to be.

 

[Tehon]

You are right about one thing, though. Republicans don't understand Capitalism. Neither do Democrats, Socialists, Liberals, or anyone else that believes America is capitalist.

Is capitalism some secret utopian shit that only you can understand or something? Of course America is capitalist. The means of production is owned privately by owners who employ wage labor for the purpose of capital accumulation. That is capitalism.

Capitalism is inherently separate from the government, and is driven by competition and consumer choice. What we have right now is a fascistic corporatist state. What I said, I did so because the Republicans and the Democrats get into office and both expand the government more. As of right now, both parties are nearly entirely populated by shills.

Funny how that describes exactly what's going on, and isn't capitalism. It's not hard to understand, but a lot of people seem to think that because politicians and news media state it over and over, it must be true. Like calling America a Democracy, or calling Donald Trump a racist. Likewise, they refer to America as Capitalist, yet the market has not been free for decades.

You are comparing apples to oranges. Corporatism, as your definition professes, is a sociopolitical organization. Capitalism is an economic system. They are not mutually exclusive. Fascist Italy produced commodities by way of a capitalist mode of production. Ditto for Nazi Germany.

They are mutually exclusive, because Capitalism can't exist within Corporatism. If Corporations are using the government for their gain, then that means the private industry and the government are not separate, as Capitalism requires them to be.

The capitalist's sole purpose is to profit on his/her capital investment. Lobbying the government for favors would be considered a capital investment. There is no such prohibition on the use of capital in the capitalist handbook. And no law that forbids it.

 

[Thinker101]

They like to think they understand it, but they really don't.

Think about the consequences of leaving the free market unregulated and letting the high powered corporate lobbyists make all the rules. This is what's resulted and these are all FACTS:

1) A shockingly huge wealth disparity between the mega rich and the middle class and poor has grown over the course of a few decades. Wages for the poor are way behind on the rise of inflation despite productivity soaring in most sectors. Most income gains have gone to the top earners in this country for the last few decades.

In actual capitalism, which is not what we have currently, the people who become wealthy do so through hard work, and those who fail do so because of their own ineptitude. It's a system in which everyone is equal as people, nobody is assisted by government, and everyone keeps what they earn. Unlike Socialism, in which failure is rewarded with money stolen from those who earned it.

2) Wall Street corruption directly resulted in the Great Recession of 2008.

You're mistaking what we have for capitalism. What we have is a Fascistic Corporatist State, a result of a government that is far too powerful selling its power to lobbyists, which results in the corruption we see, which happens to be what is REALLY responsible for the recession. Spoiler; Making the government more powerful does not solve the problem of government corruption. Without the government, businesses would be at the mercy of their consumers, without the government there to bail them out.

3) Corporate crime largely goes unpunished, and when it is punished, the results are petty fines.

Corporate Crime is a result of the government preventing businesses from being at the mercy of their consumers.

4) Our for-profit healthcare system has resulted in many basic, critical healthcare services being unavailable to the poor and in some cases the middle class. Prescription drug prices, specifically, in this country are astronomically high in comparison to other countries providing the exact same drugs. If you dumbasses actually think our healthcare system was even remotely affordable prior to ACA then you might as well relinquish your voting rights because you aren't smart enough for the right.

Our healthcare system is not capitalist, regulations prevented providers from competing with each other, which in turn prevents the system from being optimal. Prescription drug prices today are also a result of the government preventing businesses from competing. Drugs use to cost pocket change, but the government created patents, which raised prices drastically.

The ACA cost premiums to rise sharply. My family used to pay 50$ for all twelve of us. They now pay 150$ for six of us, and our family is considered below middle class.

5) Cutting taxes for corporations and top earners does NOTHING to stimulate the overall economy. Why? Because it's easier to keep the money they save rather than invest it. They are already wealthier than ever before. There is no incentive for them to invest in a stronger labor force.

That's completely false. Lower taxes help smaller businesses expand, which creates more jobs, and causes the economy to improve. Big businesses that the government hasn't already forced into a monopoly with their regulations also risk losing ground and money to their competition if they don't expand, meaning money IS incentive enough, regardless of how much they have. It has been proven numerous times that the economy improves with lower taxes.

Now am I suggesting we get rid of capitalism? Absolutely not. I just want a system that guarantees more capital to the poor and shrinking middle class. The basics of the free market system are what helped make this country a super power. It's just gone awry over the last couple of decades.

Here's a bonus task: name ANY republican economic policy that has benefited the middle class. Go ahead. I'll wait.

What has gone wrong is the government expanding as time goes on. This is not capitalism, it's fascistic corporatism. Competition has been strangled out by government regulations, diminishing consumer choices. Making the government the only monopoly through Social Control takes that problem even further. As a matter of fact, more government is not the solution to too much government.


You are right about one thing, though. Republicans don't understand Capitalism. Neither do Democrats, Socialists, Liberals, or anyone else that believes America is capitalist.

1) This idea that hard work will allow any American to prevail used to be true, but it isn't anymore. A can-do attitude has become less and less effective as a means to get ahead.

2) ACA failed to control rising healthcare costs, but many of the rises in costs would have happened anyway. That's the nature of the for-profit system.

3) Look, just because it sounds like it makes sense to say the less regulation the better, it doesn't mean this idea is the reason why poverty exists and why the middle class continues to disintegrate. It's because of the rising power of the 1% who make all the rules. If you look at BLS statistics, the number one reason businesses fail is NOT because of government red tape - its because of a lack of demand for the product.

4) Yes, lower taxes help small businesses but that isn't my point. I'm saying that cutting taxes on mega corporations and the wealthy does not grow the overall economy.

Sure, hand out more shit for free, that would work wonders.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

You are right about one thing, though. Republicans don't understand Capitalism. Neither do Democrats, Socialists, Liberals, or anyone else that believes America is capitalist.

Is capitalism some secret utopian shit that only you can understand or something? Of course America is capitalist. The means of production is owned privately by owners who employ wage labor for the purpose of capital accumulation. That is capitalism.

Capitalism is inherently separate from the government, and is driven by competition and consumer choice. What we have right now is a fascistic corporatist state. What I said, I did so because the Republicans and the Democrats get into office and both expand the government more. As of right now, both parties are nearly entirely populated by shills.

Funny how that describes exactly what's going on, and isn't capitalism. It's not hard to understand, but a lot of people seem to think that because politicians and news media state it over and over, it must be true. Like calling America a Democracy, or calling Donald Trump a racist. Likewise, they refer to America as Capitalist, yet the market has not been free for decades.

You are comparing apples to oranges. Corporatism, as your definition professes, is a sociopolitical organization. Capitalism is an economic system. They are not mutually exclusive. Fascist Italy produced commodities by way of a capitalist mode of production. Ditto for Nazi Germany.

They are mutually exclusive, because Capitalism can't exist within Corporatism. If Corporations are using the government for their gain, then that means the private industry and the government are not separate, as Capitalism requires them to be.

The capitalist's sole purpose is to profit on his/her capital investment. Lobbying the government for favors would be considered a capital investment. There is no such prohibition on the use of capital in the capitalist handbook. And no law that forbids it.

Capitalism is separate from the government, and corporatism requires the businesses to lobby the government for favors. If the government is being lobbies, they're no longer separate.

 

[Brain357]

You are right about one thing, though. Republicans don't understand Capitalism. Neither do Democrats, Socialists, Liberals, or anyone else that believes America is capitalist.

Is capitalism some secret utopian shit that only you can understand or something? Of course America is capitalist. The means of production is owned privately by owners who employ wage labor for the purpose of capital accumulation. That is capitalism.

Capitalism is inherently separate from the government, and is driven by competition and consumer choice. What we have right now is a fascistic corporatist state. What I said, I did so because the Republicans and the Democrats get into office and both expand the government more. As of right now, both parties are nearly entirely populated by shills.

Funny how that describes exactly what's going on, and isn't capitalism. It's not hard to understand, but a lot of people seem to think that because politicians and news media state it over and over, it must be true. Like calling America a Democracy, or calling Donald Trump a racist. Likewise, they refer to America as Capitalist, yet the market has not been free for decades.

You are comparing apples to oranges. Corporatism, as your definition professes, is a sociopolitical organization. Capitalism is an economic system. They are not mutually exclusive. Fascist Italy produced commodities by way of a capitalist mode of production. Ditto for Nazi Germany.

They are mutually exclusive, because Capitalism can't exist within Corporatism. If Corporations are using the government for their gain, then that means the private industry and the government are not separate, as Capitalism requires them to be.

The capitalist's sole purpose is to profit on his/her capital investment. Lobbying the government for favors would be considered a capital investment. There is no such prohibition on the use of capital in the capitalist handbook. And no law that forbids it.

The government should not be picking winners and losers. Remember Solyndra?

 

[Tehon]

Is capitalism some secret utopian shit that only you can understand or something? Of course America is capitalist. The means of production is owned privately by owners who employ wage labor for the purpose of capital accumulation. That is capitalism.

Capitalism is inherently separate from the government, and is driven by competition and consumer choice. What we have right now is a fascistic corporatist state. What I said, I did so because the Republicans and the Democrats get into office and both expand the government more. As of right now, both parties are nearly entirely populated by shills.

Funny how that describes exactly what's going on, and isn't capitalism. It's not hard to understand, but a lot of people seem to think that because politicians and news media state it over and over, it must be true. Like calling America a Democracy, or calling Donald Trump a racist. Likewise, they refer to America as Capitalist, yet the market has not been free for decades.

You are comparing apples to oranges. Corporatism, as your definition professes, is a sociopolitical organization. Capitalism is an economic system. They are not mutually exclusive. Fascist Italy produced commodities by way of a capitalist mode of production. Ditto for Nazi Germany.

They are mutually exclusive, because Capitalism can't exist within Corporatism. If Corporations are using the government for their gain, then that means the private industry and the government are not separate, as Capitalism requires them to be.

The capitalist's sole purpose is to profit on his/her capital investment. Lobbying the government for favors would be considered a capital investment. There is no such prohibition on the use of capital in the capitalist handbook. And no law that forbids it.

The government should not be picking winners and losers. Remember Solyndra?

Doesn't mean it is not capitalism. Solyndra was a private corporation run for profit that received a loan guarantee from the government.

 

[Brain357]

Capitalism is inherently separate from the government, and is driven by competition and consumer choice. What we have right now is a fascistic corporatist state. What I said, I did so because the Republicans and the Democrats get into office and both expand the government more. As of right now, both parties are nearly entirely populated by shills.

Funny how that describes exactly what's going on, and isn't capitalism. It's not hard to understand, but a lot of people seem to think that because politicians and news media state it over and over, it must be true. Like calling America a Democracy, or calling Donald Trump a racist. Likewise, they refer to America as Capitalist, yet the market has not been free for decades.

You are comparing apples to oranges. Corporatism, as your definition professes, is a sociopolitical organization. Capitalism is an economic system. They are not mutually exclusive. Fascist Italy produced commodities by way of a capitalist mode of production. Ditto for Nazi Germany.

They are mutually exclusive, because Capitalism can't exist within Corporatism. If Corporations are using the government for their gain, then that means the private industry and the government are not separate, as Capitalism requires them to be.

The capitalist's sole purpose is to profit on his/her capital investment. Lobbying the government for favors would be considered a capital investment. There is no such prohibition on the use of capital in the capitalist handbook. And no law that forbids it.

The government should not be picking winners and losers. Remember Solyndra?

Doesn't mean it is not capitalism. Solyndra was a private corporation run for profit that received a loan guarantee from the government.

The government is influencing things that should be determined by the free market. It is not capitalism when the government has so much influence.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

They like to think they understand it, but they really don't.

Think about the consequences of leaving the free market unregulated and letting the high powered corporate lobbyists make all the rules. This is what's resulted and these are all FACTS:

1) A shockingly huge wealth disparity between the mega rich and the middle class and poor has grown over the course of a few decades. Wages for the poor are way behind on the rise of inflation despite productivity soaring in most sectors. Most income gains have gone to the top earners in this country for the last few decades.

2) Wall Street corruption directly resulted in the Great Recession of 2008.

3) Corporate crime largely goes unpunished, and when it is punished, the results are petty fines.

4) Our for-profit healthcare system has resulted in many basic, critical healthcare services being unavailable to the poor and in some cases the middle class. Prescription drug prices, specifically, in this country are astronomically high in comparison to other countries providing the exact same drugs. If you dumbasses actually think our healthcare system was even remotely affordable prior to ACA then you might as well relinquish your voting rights because you aren't smart enough for the right.

5) Cutting taxes for corporations and top earners does NOTHING to stimulate the overall economy. Why? Because it's easier to keep the money they save rather than invest it. They are already wealthier than ever before. There is no incentive for them to invest in a stronger labor force.

Now am I suggesting we get rid of capitalism? Absolutely not. I just want a system that guarantees more capital to the poor and shrinking middle class. The basics of the free market system are what helped make this country a super power. It's just gone awry over the last couple of decades.

Here's a bonus task: name ANY republican economic policy that has benefited the middle class. Go ahead. I'll wait.

Trickle down economics.

Next Questions

 

[Sun Devil 92]

They like to think they understand it, but they really don't.

Think about the consequences of leaving the free market unregulated and letting the high powered corporate lobbyists make all the rules. This is what's resulted and these are all FACTS:

1) A shockingly huge wealth disparity between the mega rich and the middle class and poor has grown over the course of a few decades. Wages for the poor are way behind on the rise of inflation despite productivity soaring in most sectors. Most income gains have gone to the top earners in this country for the last few decades.

2) Wall Street corruption directly resulted in the Great Recession of 2008.

3) Corporate crime largely goes unpunished, and when it is punished, the results are petty fines.

4) Our for-profit healthcare system has resulted in many basic, critical healthcare services being unavailable to the poor and in some cases the middle class. Prescription drug prices, specifically, in this country are astronomically high in comparison to other countries providing the exact same drugs. If you dumbasses actually think our healthcare system was even remotely affordable prior to ACA then you might as well relinquish your voting rights because you aren't smart enough for the right.

5) Cutting taxes for corporations and top earners does NOTHING to stimulate the overall economy. Why? Because it's easier to keep the money they save rather than invest it. They are already wealthier than ever before. There is no incentive for them to invest in a stronger labor force.

Now am I suggesting we get rid of capitalism? Absolutely not. I just want a system that guarantees more capital to the poor and shrinking middle class. The basics of the free market system are what helped make this country a super power. It's just gone awry over the last couple of decades.

Here's a bonus task: name ANY republican economic policy that has benefited the middle class. Go ahead. I'll wait.

You are so stupid.

There is no free market when corporations run the show.

There is no free market when government props up large corporations.

You are one stupid asshole.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

They like to think they understand it, but they really don't.

Think about the consequences of leaving the free market unregulated and letting the high powered corporate lobbyists make all the rules. This is what's resulted and these are all FACTS:

1) A shockingly huge wealth disparity between the mega rich and the middle class and poor has grown over the course of a few decades. Wages for the poor are way behind on the rise of inflation despite productivity soaring in most sectors. Most income gains have gone to the top earners in this country for the last few decades.

In actual capitalism, which is not what we have currently, the people who become wealthy do so through hard work, and those who fail do so because of their own ineptitude. It's a system in which everyone is equal as people, nobody is assisted by government, and everyone keeps what they earn. Unlike Socialism, in which failure is rewarded with money stolen from those who earned it.

2) Wall Street corruption directly resulted in the Great Recession of 2008.

You're mistaking what we have for capitalism. What we have is a Fascistic Corporatist State, a result of a government that is far too powerful selling its power to lobbyists, which results in the corruption we see, which happens to be what is REALLY responsible for the recession. Spoiler; Making the government more powerful does not solve the problem of government corruption. Without the government, businesses would be at the mercy of their consumers, without the government there to bail them out.

3) Corporate crime largely goes unpunished, and when it is punished, the results are petty fines.

Corporate Crime is a result of the government preventing businesses from being at the mercy of their consumers.

4) Our for-profit healthcare system has resulted in many basic, critical healthcare services being unavailable to the poor and in some cases the middle class. Prescription drug prices, specifically, in this country are astronomically high in comparison to other countries providing the exact same drugs. If you dumbasses actually think our healthcare system was even remotely affordable prior to ACA then you might as well relinquish your voting rights because you aren't smart enough for the right.

Our healthcare system is not capitalist, regulations prevented providers from competing with each other, which in turn prevents the system from being optimal. Prescription drug prices today are also a result of the government preventing businesses from competing. Drugs use to cost pocket change, but the government created patents, which raised prices drastically.

The ACA cost premiums to rise sharply. My family used to pay 50$ for all twelve of us. They now pay 150$ for six of us, and our family is considered below middle class.

5) Cutting taxes for corporations and top earners does NOTHING to stimulate the overall economy. Why? Because it's easier to keep the money they save rather than invest it. They are already wealthier than ever before. There is no incentive for them to invest in a stronger labor force.

That's completely false. Lower taxes help smaller businesses expand, which creates more jobs, and causes the economy to improve. Big businesses that the government hasn't already forced into a monopoly with their regulations also risk losing ground and money to their competition if they don't expand, meaning money IS incentive enough, regardless of how much they have. It has been proven numerous times that the economy improves with lower taxes.

Now am I suggesting we get rid of capitalism? Absolutely not. I just want a system that guarantees more capital to the poor and shrinking middle class. The basics of the free market system are what helped make this country a super power. It's just gone awry over the last couple of decades.

Here's a bonus task: name ANY republican economic policy that has benefited the middle class. Go ahead. I'll wait.

What has gone wrong is the government expanding as time goes on. This is not capitalism, it's fascistic corporatism. Competition has been strangled out by government regulations, diminishing consumer choices. Making the government the only monopoly through Social Control takes that problem even further. As a matter of fact, more government is not the solution to too much government.


You are right about one thing, though. Republicans don't understand Capitalism. Neither do Democrats, Socialists, Liberals, or anyone else that believes America is capitalist.

1) This idea that hard work will allow any American to prevail used to be true, but it isn't anymore. A can-do attitude has become less and less effective as a means to get ahead.

2) ACA failed to control rising healthcare costs, but many of the rises in costs would have happened anyway. That's the nature of the for-profit system.

3) Look, just because it sounds like it makes sense to say the less regulation the better, it doesn't mean this idea is the reason why poverty exists and why the middle class continues to disintegrate. It's because of the rising power of the 1% who make all the rules. If you look at BLS statistics, the number one reason businesses fail is NOT because of government red tape - its because of a lack of demand for the product.

4) Yes, lower taxes help small businesses but that isn't my point. I'm saying that cutting taxes on mega corporations and the wealthy does not grow the overall economy.

1. So true...thanks to government regulation.

2. Failed to control....it never tried.

3. A free market has winners and losers. And the constantly shifting equilibrium causes some pretty extreme ruptures.

4. Government is the friend of big business. You dinks keep propping them up.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Capitalism is inherently separate from the government, and is driven by competition and consumer choice. What we have right now is a fascistic corporatist state. What I said, I did so because the Republicans and the Democrats get into office and both expand the government more. As of right now, both parties are nearly entirely populated by shills.

Funny how that describes exactly what's going on, and isn't capitalism. It's not hard to understand, but a lot of people seem to think that because politicians and news media state it over and over, it must be true. Like calling America a Democracy, or calling Donald Trump a racist. Likewise, they refer to America as Capitalist, yet the market has not been free for decades.

You are comparing apples to oranges. Corporatism, as your definition professes, is a sociopolitical organization. Capitalism is an economic system. They are not mutually exclusive. Fascist Italy produced commodities by way of a capitalist mode of production. Ditto for Nazi Germany.

They are mutually exclusive, because Capitalism can't exist within Corporatism. If Corporations are using the government for their gain, then that means the private industry and the government are not separate, as Capitalism requires them to be.

The capitalist's sole purpose is to profit on his/her capital investment. Lobbying the government for favors would be considered a capital investment. There is no such prohibition on the use of capital in the capitalist handbook. And no law that forbids it.

The government should not be picking winners and losers. Remember Solyndra?

Doesn't mean it is not capitalism. Solyndra was a private corporation run for profit that received a loan guarantee from the government.

In capitalism, businesses fail if there's not enough demand for their service. The government preventing a business from failing is not capitalism.

 

[Tehon]

You are comparing apples to oranges. Corporatism, as your definition professes, is a sociopolitical organization. Capitalism is an economic system. They are not mutually exclusive. Fascist Italy produced commodities by way of a capitalist mode of production. Ditto for Nazi Germany.

They are mutually exclusive, because Capitalism can't exist within Corporatism. If Corporations are using the government for their gain, then that means the private industry and the government are not separate, as Capitalism requires them to be.

The capitalist's sole purpose is to profit on his/her capital investment. Lobbying the government for favors would be considered a capital investment. There is no such prohibition on the use of capital in the capitalist handbook. And no law that forbids it.

The government should not be picking winners and losers. Remember Solyndra?

Doesn't mean it is not capitalism. Solyndra was a private corporation run for profit that received a loan guarantee from the government.

In capitalism, businesses fail if there's not enough demand for their service. The government preventing a business from failing is not capitalism.

Solyndra failed. I guess you have to admit your fallacy now.

I won't hold my breath.

 

[Tehon]

You are comparing apples to oranges. Corporatism, as your definition professes, is a sociopolitical organization. Capitalism is an economic system. They are not mutually exclusive. Fascist Italy produced commodities by way of a capitalist mode of production. Ditto for Nazi Germany.

They are mutually exclusive, because Capitalism can't exist within Corporatism. If Corporations are using the government for their gain, then that means the private industry and the government are not separate, as Capitalism requires them to be.

The capitalist's sole purpose is to profit on his/her capital investment. Lobbying the government for favors would be considered a capital investment. There is no such prohibition on the use of capital in the capitalist handbook. And no law that forbids it.

The government should not be picking winners and losers. Remember Solyndra?

Doesn't mean it is not capitalism. Solyndra was a private corporation run for profit that received a loan guarantee from the government.

The government is influencing things that should be determined by the free market. It is not capitalism when the government has so much influence.

Capitalism is a method of producing goods and services which is characterized by the private use of capital with the ultimate goal of returning a profit. Those goods and services, once produced by capitalist means, are then sold in the market. The nature of the market does not alter the form of production from being capitalist.

 

[Mac1958]

Think about the consequences of leaving the free market unregulated....

When I see something like this, I know the chances of an informed, intellectually honest conversation are essentially zero.

Nowhere on the planet is capitalism "unregulated". The actual issue is a matter of degree, of equilibrium. Finding the optimum balance between efficient and effective regulation and the most beneficial components of dynamic market forces.

So I'll assume this is just another troll thread, meant only to insult.
.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

They are mutually exclusive, because Capitalism can't exist within Corporatism. If Corporations are using the government for their gain, then that means the private industry and the government are not separate, as Capitalism requires them to be.

The capitalist's sole purpose is to profit on his/her capital investment. Lobbying the government for favors would be considered a capital investment. There is no such prohibition on the use of capital in the capitalist handbook. And no law that forbids it.

The government should not be picking winners and losers. Remember Solyndra?

Doesn't mean it is not capitalism. Solyndra was a private corporation run for profit that received a loan guarantee from the government.

In capitalism, businesses fail if there's not enough demand for their service. The government preventing a business from failing is not capitalism.

Solyndra failed. I guess you have to admit your fallacy now.

I won't hold my breath.

The government stole money from the taxpayers BECAUSE it failed. Also, as a matter of fact, just because you're ignorant of what capitalism is, that doesn't make my statements a fallacy. Solyndra failing despite efforts from the government to keep it afloat also doesn't change the fact that the government is currently choosing which businesses win and which businesses lose, which ALSO prevents this that we have from being capitalism. It's no longer consumer choice, which is what drives capitalism, if the government is deciding to strangle out competition for lobbyists.

 

[Brain357]

They are mutually exclusive, because Capitalism can't exist within Corporatism. If Corporations are using the government for their gain, then that means the private industry and the government are not separate, as Capitalism requires them to be.

The capitalist's sole purpose is to profit on his/her capital investment. Lobbying the government for favors would be considered a capital investment. There is no such prohibition on the use of capital in the capitalist handbook. And no law that forbids it.

The government should not be picking winners and losers. Remember Solyndra?

Doesn't mean it is not capitalism. Solyndra was a private corporation run for profit that received a loan guarantee from the government.

The government is influencing things that should be determined by the free market. It is not capitalism when the government has so much influence.

Capitalism is a method of producing goods and services which is characterized by the private use of capital with the ultimate goal of returning a profit. Those goods and services, once produced by capitalist means, are then sold in the market. The nature of the market does not alter the form of production from being capitalist.

Trade and industry should be private. The government is now a big factor in company decisions. That is not capitalism. Companies are deciding where to go based on what special deal they can get from the government. The government is dictating business decisions.