Republicans fail to make any rational argument why society must force full term gestation on all women. Their failed arguments are examined here:

[Cellblock2429]

Inflation wasn't a problem when you were in lockdown, or when Trump crashed the economy.

/---/ Stop with the broken record. The governors shut down their state economies and to varying degrees.
Now what about the increase in debt with Bidenomics.

 

[Frankenstein]

if it were a separate human being, there would be no issue with abortion. Every sborted Separate human being would survive..

Think about it!

The human inside her has separate DNA and is a separate individual

 

[HeyNorm]

You forced the state of Georgia to kill them. Why and how they got pregnant is none of your ******* business.

As we know from the same sex marriage debate, intercourse does not cause procreation.

Bigotry on display again.

 

[Papageorgio]

you are saying that a ZEF is a separate human being from the moment of conception. No argument can be more stupid than that.

A ZEF is not a separate human being until it becomes separated from its mother and survives to live with separate human life.

There is only one consciousness in a pregnant woman through approximately the eighth month of gestation.

Ok, if that is what you want to believe. It’s wrong as the baby growing inside your body is a living being with different DNA as you, so another fact to are wrong about.

Do you take personal responsibility for seeing to it that two women in Georgia died because of the abortion ban enacted by Republican white Christian nationalists there?

Do you take responsibility for all the babies killed in the womb?

 

[TemplarKormac]

Republicans fail to make any rational argument why society must force full term gestation on all women. It is why Republicans are suffering politically since they won a states rights argument with the Dobbs decision.

But state’s rights do not supersede individual right’s including the unenumerated individual right to privacy for impregnated women.

One of Saint Ding’s failed arguments goes something like this:

ding said: It's extremely clear that the reason you are playing word games in your dehumanization of human life is to make it easier to kill them and dismiss their right to life. dvng. #4,716​

An argument based upon what Saint Ding thinks I am thinking being evil, is not an argument at all.

Protected unborn life from the instant of conception has not been a norm for Americans for centuries. The norm the past fifty years has been that protected life begins at reasonable expectation of life outside the womb.

Saint Heynorm does the same thing by accusing me of thinking ZEFs are worthless clump of cells,

HeyNorm said: “ ….. all they are carrying is a worthless clump of cells, right? Like a parasite, right?” hynrm.23.11.19 #772​

I don’t think that at all. My response is here:
nf.23.11.21 #11,948 to hynrm.23.11.19 #772

nf.23.11.21 #1

Let's encourage women to stop carrying children to term and encourage them to make a choice not involving birth!

A surefire way to ensure the extinction of our species is to encourage its female members to abort their offspring.

Birthrates are already too low, let's make them lower!

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Ok, if that is what you want to believe.

it is not a belief. it is a biological fact that in a pregnant woman when 97% of all abortions take place there is only one mind with consciousness involved during the operation.

Instead of dodging the question and my answer, if you think that is not right, man up and give me a scientific case for individual consciousness in a 10 week old fetus.

Just do it I dare you.

 

[Papageorgio]

“We have some very bad people, we have some sick people, radical left lunatics. And it should be very easily handled by, if necessary, by National Guard, or if really necessary, by the military,” he continued.

“He’s talking about you,” the Minnesota governor told the audience. “He’s talking about someone who comes to a rally to express their love and their commitment to our democracy. Donald Trump sees us as an enemy.”

Believe what you want about those two, I don’t care for either.

 

[TemplarKormac]

it is not a belief. it is a biological fact that in a pregnant woman when 97% of all abortions take place there is only one mind with consciousness involved during the operation.

Consciousness does not an intelligent person make. If the woman is healthy and chooses not to protect along with her man, she should not be allowed to have an abortion, only if there are complications later on.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

It’s wrong as the baby growing inside your body is a living being with different DNA

that is true. I have never disagreed with the fact that a fetus has its own unique separate DNA from the mother. That’s because half the DNA comes from the father., so it has to be different than the mothers DNA.


why do you tell me I’m wrong on matters where I agree with you 100% except for the use of the word baby, which is white Christian nationalist propaganda, as well as a minority of Catholic congregations who use that type of propaganda.

 

[Papageorgio]

it is not a belief. it is a biological fact that in a pregnant woman when 97% of all abortions take place there is only one mind with consciousness involved during the operation.

Instead of dodging the question and my answer, if you think that is not right, man up and give me a scientific case for individual consciousness in a 10 week old fetus.

Just do it I dare you.

They are a life at conception, they are called babies, you are for killing babies, that is a fact. Whether you feel they are living or not, scientifically they are a life, another annoying fact.

 

[TemplarKormac]

it is not a belief. it is a biological fact that in a pregnant woman when 97% of all abortions take place there is only one mind with consciousness involved during the operation.

Instead of dodging the question and my answer, if you think that is not right, man up and give me a scientific case for individual consciousness in a 10 week old fetus.

Just do it I dare you.

Consciousness in our species isn't reliant purely on the lack thereof in our unborn children.

We know they are human from the moment of conception. That's already a scientific fact. Our DNA makes it human. Consciousness and lack thereof are only required for one thing: To know if a human is living or dead.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Consciousness does not an intelligent person make. If the woman is healthy and chooses not to protect along with her man, she should not be allowed to have an abortion, only if there are complications later on

when and why does that become your ******* business?

 

[whutTHEYsay]

We know they are human from the moment of conception

I agree.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Our DNA makes it human.

I agree

 

[Papageorgio]

that is true. I have never disagreed with the fact that a fetus has its own unique separate DNA from the mother. That’s because half the DNA comes from the father., so it has to be different than the mothers DNA.


why do you tell me I’m wrong on matters where I agree with you 100% except for the use of the word baby, which is white Christian nationalist propaganda, as well as a minority of Catholic congregations who use that type of propaganda.

Because they are separate and you claimed the mother and baby aren’t separate. So I did not agree with you. The rest of your propaganda is just all emotion and drivel.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Our DNA makes it human. Consciousness and lack thereof are only required for one thing: To know if a human is living or dead.

My argument is that during abortions within the first 15 weeks there is only one mind with consciousness in the woman who is terminating her pregnancy. that is a fact and no one for the past five years on this subject has been able to disprove it

 

[TemplarKormac]

when and why does that become your ******* business?

Why? Science.

When? When a child is conceived our of wedlock out of reckless sexual behavior by men or women.

 

[TemplarKormac]

I agree.

Then why were you making determinate arguments that humanity is based on consciousness?

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Because they are separate and you claimed the mother and baby aren’t separate

no, my fact is a fetus becomes a baby after it is separated from its mother, not while it is inseparable from its mother to remain alive.

 

[TemplarKormac]

My argument is that during abortions within the first 15 weeks there is only one mind with consciousness in the woman who is terminating her pregnancy.

That... is irrelevant.

You are arguing that the being who has yet to attain consciousness has no say in being born, and can only have its fate determined by a being whose already extant consciousness may or may not involve intelligent decision-making or better judgment.

You leave the death of an unborn child to chance.

(In short, you don't know what the f**k you're talking about.)