Republicans and the poor. What do they think will happen eliminating SS and Medicare?

[rdean]

Link to the Republican proposal advocating getting rid of Social Security and Medicare to intentionally screw over the poor? No I didn't think you had one. Its amazing how the left can make up lies then debate them as if they were true.

13 Republican Senate Candidates Who Want to End Social Security

Romney-Ryan Plan to End Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid | Strengthen Social Security

 

[rdean]

What would happen if we ended SS and Medicare, you ask? Well, what was happening before those programs began? Were the elderly being kicked into the street and dying from lack of care before Medicare was signed into law in 1965? Was this happening before SS was established in 1935? Nope, it wasn't.

I wonder what today's American History in high school is about these days. No one studied how the elderly were taken care of before the 1930's? Were they kicked out into the street? We many dying from lack of care? For many, the answer was yes.

Those were the days before unions and laws protecting workers really took off. Remember, it was because of unions we have weekends today. People hardly had enough money to save if they were raising 6 kids.

The lucky elderly lived by churches that could help them out. Or they lived with children who helped them. But they were living strictly off the charity of others. How humiliating.

Others who had no children or relatives and had never owned a house or made much did live on the streets or they set up a tent someplace and begged or tried to eat at a soup kitchen. They didn't usually live all that long.

Some committed crimes so they could go to jail, have a dry place to sleep and something to eat.

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I really am shocked that today's Americans could be so ******* ignorant about the country they live in. And this fantasy history that people just helped each other and everyone was kind and charitable is retarded. If Republicans today believe in let him die, why would they be better then?

Don't you asswipes even want to know about how the elderly lived back then? How can you talk about it and know nothing about it? How can you be so ******* ignorant that you live on "I don't believe it?" Something wrong with you people that you could hold such a position on something you know nothing about. And your idiot argument is "teach me because I don't believe it". How can you expect to debate something you know nothing about?

 

[Arizona Willie]

Do they think torturing the poor will somehow help? Because for those who rely on SS and Medicare, they will certainly end up destitute without that help they worked their entire lives to get.

destitute
/ˈdɛstɪˌtjuːt/
adjective
1.
lacking the means of subsistence; totally impoverished
2.
(postpositive) foll by of. completely lacking; deprived or bereft (of):destitute of words
3.
(obsolete) abandoned or deserted

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Why do Republicans see this as a viable policy? Anyone?

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Wealthy Republicans LOVE to go to foreign countries where they have beggars in the streets and they can drop a coin or two in their receptacles.

It makes them feel like real big shots.

The WANT to see beggars in the streets in America too.

They love it when their limo drives past people holding up signs " lost my job ... will work for food ".
The ejaculate right down their leg whenever they see that.

 

[Arizona Willie]

Washington has spent every last dime I have contributed to Social Security and now tells me I may get screwed out of the benefits I paid for due to their raiding the trust fund. If that happened in the private sector those responsible would be perp walked to prison.

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Yeah, just like all those Wall Street Executives are in prison for causing the stock market crash of 2008 with their illegal financial manipulations.

Oh...what's that?

NOT ONE SINGLE AMERICAN BANKER / STOCKBROKER HAS EVEN BEEN CHARGED?

 

[amrchaos]

Do they think torturing the poor will somehow help? Because for those who rely on SS and Medicare, they will certainly end up destitute without that help they worked their entire lives to get.

destitute
/ˈdɛstɪˌtjuːt/
adjective
1.
lacking the means of subsistence; totally impoverished
2.
(postpositive) foll by of. completely lacking; deprived or bereft (of):destitute of words
3.
(obsolete) abandoned or deserted

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Why do Republicans see this as a viable policy? Anyone?

Dude we've just barely made any inroads into convincing republicans to give a damn about the middle class! They're not ready to start talking about poor people!

Baby steps!

Well, if you convince them to do so, they'll be the only ones.

If you really think democrats care about the middle class then their marketing campaign is working.

Yes--it is.

If politics were Basketball
Democrats==Harlem Globetrotters
Republicans==Washington Generals

Republicans need to draw up better political tactics and counter tactics. They let Democrats shape the terrain way too often.

 

[Arizona Willie]

Link to the Republican proposal advocating getting rid of Social Security and Medicare to intentionally screw over the poor? No I didn't think you had one. Its amazing how the left can make up lies then debate them as if they were true.

Don't hold your breath.

RetardDean almost never supplies these kinds of links.

He appears to be a paid blogger....somebody is getting ripped off.

I noticed the left never starts a post about the fact that congress repeatedly raided the social security trust find stealing $2 trillion dollars it can't pay back.

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That's not true.

Congress CAN pay the money back but they would have to RAISE YOUR TAXES and Republican deadbeats refuse to pay more taxes to pay for the wars they started or for the money they stole from SS ( Democrats also " borrowed " the money ).

They can also fix the SS system by simply removing the Income Cap and that would fix SS until 2070 and only the well off would pay more.

 

[amrchaos]

Do they think torturing the poor will somehow help? Because for those who rely on SS and Medicare, they will certainly end up destitute without that help they worked their entire lives to get.

destitute
/ˈdɛstɪˌtjuːt/
adjective
1.
lacking the means of subsistence; totally impoverished
2.
(postpositive) foll by of. completely lacking; deprived or bereft (of):destitute of words
3.
(obsolete) abandoned or deserted

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Why do Republicans see this as a viable policy? Anyone?

Conservatives would rather help people by getting them off of the government dole. One state, Can't remember which one offhand, increased the restrictions on who could get welfare. Know what happened. A LOT of people went back to work. That just shows that there are many on welfare who would rather live off of the efforts of others, rather than support themselves. When that safety net was taken away, they had no choice but to return to work. Conservatives have no problem helping those who need it. What we DO have a problem with is generational dependency on the government.

No, it just proved that people would try anything than starve. Understand, a few of those people probably turned to crime as well.

You really need to keep records on those that could not or were kicked off the dole to gain a clear picture of what is going on.

 

[amrchaos]

Link to the Republican proposal advocating getting rid of Social Security and Medicare to intentionally screw over the poor? No I didn't think you had one. Its amazing how the left can make up lies then debate them as if they were true.

13 Republican Senate Candidates Who Want to End Social Security

Romney-Ryan Plan to End Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid | Strengthen Social Security

You do know that privatization is not the same as elimination?

OH--you want to see how the RW'ers explain this...

There goes that "Sweet Georgia Brown" playing in the background..and the refs are escorting me off the floor!!

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Do they think torturing the poor will somehow help? Because for those who rely on SS and Medicare, they will certainly end up destitute without that help they worked their entire lives to get.

destitute
/ˈdɛstɪˌtjuːt/
adjective
1.
lacking the means of subsistence; totally impoverished
2.
(postpositive) foll by of. completely lacking; deprived or bereft (of):destitute of words
3.
(obsolete) abandoned or deserted

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Why do Republicans see this as a viable policy? Anyone?

Dude we've just barely made any inroads into convincing republicans to give a damn about the middle class! They're not ready to start talking about poor people!

Baby steps!

Well, if you convince them to do so, they'll be the only ones.

If you really think democrats care about the middle class then their marketing campaign is working.

Democrats have to care about the Middle Class. The two parties can't be exactly the same. Republicans believe if you redistribute the wealth of the nation to the top 1%, the rich will care and take care of everyone else.

Democrats understand how ridiculous that is.

Keep kidding yourself and we'll stay in this mess. The democrats don't care about the middle class any more than the GOP.

Things will change when people like you start to wake up to the fact that your masters are playing you.

 

[RWNJ]

Do they think torturing the poor will somehow help? Because for those who rely on SS and Medicare, they will certainly end up destitute without that help they worked their entire lives to get.

destitute
/ˈdɛstɪˌtjuːt/
adjective
1.
lacking the means of subsistence; totally impoverished
2.
(postpositive) foll by of. completely lacking; deprived or bereft (of):destitute of words
3.
(obsolete) abandoned or deserted

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Why do Republicans see this as a viable policy? Anyone?

What would happen if we ended SS and Medicare, you ask? Well, what was happening before those programs began? Were the elderly being kicked into the street and dying from lack of care before Medicare was signed into law in 1965? Was this happening before SS was established in 1935? Nope, it wasn't.

That said, no Republican is talking about ending SS but privatizing it. People would still be required to have a SS deduction, but they would get to choose how the money was invested. Gee, what a novel idea--people getting to choose where their money goes!

As for Medicare, it's a disaster that is bankrupting us. The program is rife with fraud and inefficiency. The program needs to be shifted to the states entirely, or even to counties, so that there's much more oversight and control over how money is spent and what services are covered, etc.

As for right now, we are facing at least $20 trillion in Medicare obligations over the next 50 years that we have no idea how we're going to pay.

We are not going to pay it. There is no way we can. The economy will collapse and martial law will be established. It's the same tired old story. When are people going to learn?

 

[Deleted member 53821]

Do they think torturing the poor will somehow help? Because for those who rely on SS and Medicare, they will certainly end up destitute without that help they worked their entire lives to get.

destitute
/ˈdɛstɪˌtjuːt/
adjective
1.
lacking the means of subsistence; totally impoverished
2.
(postpositive) foll by of. completely lacking; deprived or bereft (of):destitute of words
3.
(obsolete) abandoned or deserted

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Why do Republicans see this as a viable policy? Anyone?

I think destitute is a word to describe many millennial a because most of them are unemployed or seriosly underemployed.

 

[Conservative65]

Fact-Checking Republicans on Social Security Disability

I once had a fellow veteran tell me that he feared the GOP more than any enemy in combat. And then, years later, I read almost the exact same from a different veteran.

I'm sure you can post a source for what you CLAIM happened.

 

[RWNJ]

Fact-Checking Republicans on Social Security Disability

I once had a fellow veteran tell me that he feared the GOP more than any enemy in combat. And then, years later, I read almost the exact same from a different veteran.

I'm sure you can post a source for what you CLAIM happened.

THIS Veteran thinks he's full of it.

 

[Contumacious]

Do they think torturing the poor will somehow help? Because for those who rely on SS and Medicare, they will certainly end up destitute without that help they worked their entire lives to get.

destitute
/ˈdɛstɪˌtjuːt/
adjective
1.
lacking the means of subsistence; totally impoverished
2.
(postpositive) foll by of. completely lacking; deprived or bereft (of):destitute of words
3.
(obsolete) abandoned or deserted

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Why do Republicans see this as a viable policy? Anyone?

Do torturing the Constitution, the producers and the taxpayers work?

Do your neighbor owes you a living?

What did Americans do prior to 1935?



.

 

[Conservative65]

What would happen if we ended SS and Medicare, you ask? Well, what was happening before those programs began? Were the elderly being kicked into the street and dying from lack of care before Medicare was signed into law in 1965? Was this happening before SS was established in 1935? Nope, it wasn't.

I wonder what today's American History in high school is about these days. No one studied how the elderly were taken care of before the 1930's? Were they kicked out into the street? We many dying from lack of care? For many, the answer was yes.

Those were the days before unions and laws protecting workers really took off. Remember, it was because of unions we have weekends today. People hardly had enough money to save if they were raising 6 kids.

The lucky elderly lived by churches that could help them out. Or they lived with children who helped them. But they were living strictly off the charity of others. How humiliating.

Others who had no children or relatives and had never owned a house or made much did live on the streets or they set up a tent someplace and begged or tried to eat at a soup kitchen. They didn't usually live all that long.

Some committed crimes so they could go to jail, have a dry place to sleep and something to eat.

-----------------------

I really am shocked that today's Americans could be so ******* ignorant about the country they live in. And this fantasy history that people just helped each other and everyone was kind and charitable is retarded. If Republicans today believe in let him die, why would they be better then?

Don't you asswipes even want to know about how the elderly lived back then? How can you talk about it and know nothing about it? How can you be so ******* ignorant that you live on "I don't believe it?" Something wrong with you people that you could hold such a position on something you know nothing about. And your idiot argument is "teach me because I don't believe it". How can you expect to debate something you know nothing about?

Who chose for them to have 6 kids? That's the problem with you lefties. You want people to be allowed to make choices, and I'm fine with that. However, when they can't afford those choices, you expect others to be OK with being made to pay for them.

Why is charity humiliating. Expecting the government to force someone else to do it should be humiliating.

 

[Conservative65]

Fact-Checking Republicans on Social Security Disability

I once had a fellow veteran tell me that he feared the GOP more than any enemy in combat. And then, years later, I read almost the exact same from a different veteran.

I'm sure you can post a source for what you CLAIM happened.

THIS Veteran thinks he's full of it.

Can I use you as a source? At least I have one where he only has claims.

 

[ninja007]

Link to the Republican proposal advocating getting rid of Social Security and Medicare to intentionally screw over the poor? No I didn't think you had one. Its amazing how the left can make up lies then debate them as if they were true.

they want to ship all blacks to Africa, except Carson too. Kill cats and dogs too.

 

[BULLDOG]

Do they think torturing the poor will somehow help? Because for those who rely on SS and Medicare, they will certainly end up destitute without that help they worked their entire lives to get.

destitute
/ˈdɛstɪˌtjuːt/
adjective
1.
lacking the means of subsistence; totally impoverished
2.
(postpositive) foll by of. completely lacking; deprived or bereft (of):destitute of words
3.
(obsolete) abandoned or deserted

----------------------

Why do Republicans see this as a viable policy? Anyone?

Dude we've just barely made any inroads into convincing republicans to give a damn about the middle class! They're not ready to start talking about poor people!

Baby steps!

Well, if you convince them to do so, they'll be the only ones.

If you really think democrats care about the middle class then their marketing campaign is working.

Yes--it is.

If politics were Basketball
Democrats==Harlem Globetrotters
Republicans==Washington Generals

Republicans need to draw up better political tactics and counter tactics. They let Democrats shape the terrain way too often.

Their tactics are dishonorable and disgusting, but it's their goals that hurt them the most.

 

[Claudette]

Link to the Republican proposal advocating getting rid of Social Security and Medicare to intentionally screw over the poor? No I didn't think you had one. Its amazing how the left can make up lies then debate them as if they were true.

Don't hold your breath.

RetardDean almost never supplies these kinds of links.

He appears to be a paid blogger....somebody is getting ripped off.

I noticed the left never starts a post about the fact that congress repeatedly raided the social security trust find stealing $2 trillion dollars it can't pay back.

I agree.

Deany will also never tell you that it was LBJ, a Dem, who put SS in the General Fund and those assholes have robbed it blind ever since.

He also won't tell you that SS and Medicare are both giant Ponzi schemes.

Neither program would be popular if you could only take out exactly what you put in and couldn't take from those coming behind you.

Another lamo thread brought to you by RDean. He and Shittingbull are masters.

 

[AVG-JOE]

Eliminate Medicare and SS, and people will have more money. It's really quite simple.

The problem is that few are willing to RELIGIOUSLY save 15% + of EVERY paycheck from the first job at Mickey-D's to retirement day or disability day, and the choice for The People becomes to care for the most vulnerable among us at tax-payer expense or to rely on the charity of the lucky.

Unfortunately, having the streets full of old and disabled people begging for food is a turn off for tourists.

WYGD?​