Republican Senators send a letter to Iran. Wow. Damn!

[Mac1958]

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The Bibi speech was borderline, but this letter is WAY the **** over the line.

So now, what is ANY country supposed to think of ANY thing that ANY President does at ANY time?

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[Billy000]

It is absolutely sickening how much I hate republicans.

 

[Statistikhengst]

I sure am proud of Cotton and the other Senators who are standing up for over 70% of the American people who are scared to death of the deal these fools (Obama And Kerry)....in their desperation for a Legacy...are going to make with religious lunatics who have been cheating each other trading rugs for 2500 years.

The deal should be submitted to Congress...Obama plans not to do so....**** Obama.

No. That is a lie.

The GOP won in 2014 by 6 points, and only 36% of the registered electorate came out.

the GOP has only 54% of the Senate and most of those seats are from states, which, when combined, represent LESS THAN 50% of the US Population. Alone, the populations of the GOP's 8 smallest states is smaller than Los Angeles County alone. That makes for 16 GOP senators who represent states that are collectively smaller than the 2nd largest city in the USA.

So, no, your statement is statistically, factually, a lie. A bald faced lie.

No only that, what Tom Cotton did, he did just to set himself apart from the Freshman crowd. It is seditious at best and treasonous at worst, and even class-action lawsuits could be the result of these antics.

 

[Statistikhengst]

LMNAO!
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OMG, that is worth repeating:

 

[Statistikhengst]

“So, Republicans hate this Democratic President so much that they are even willing to pen a letter to someone they consider an enemy of ours.”

Yes... but it wasn't to obama, it was to the people obama reports to... . And they were tellign those douche-bags, that obama does not speak for the United States. And that any deal obama makes with them, is a waste of paper or even server space, as it has no chance of becoming formalized as, the United States is never going to allow Iran to get Nuclear Weapons.

But int heir defense, that's because they're Americans and THAT is how we ROLL!

Of course, you are completely wrong. But when were you ever right.

In areas of foreign policy, the POTUS DOES speak for the nation. That is what the Constitution says. End of story.

Lord, you are one stupid individual. How do you ever even make it to the breakfast table in the mornings?

 

[Statistikhengst]

Without Reagan's Treason, Iran Would Not Be a Problem

Bani-Sadr was a moderate and, as heexplained in an editorial for The Christian Science Monitorearlier this year, had successfully run for President on the popular position of releasing the hostages:

"I openly opposed the hostage-taking throughout the election campaign.... I won the election with over 76 percent of the vote.... Other candidates also were openly against hostage-taking, and overall, 96 percent of votes in that election were given to candidates who were against it [hostage-taking]."

Carter was confident that with Bani-Sadr's help, he could end the embarrassing hostage crisis that had been a thorn in his political side ever since it began in November of 1979.
But Carter underestimated the lengths his opponent in the 1980 Presidential election, California Governor Ronald Reagan, would go to screw him over.

Behind Carter's back, the Reagan campaignworked out a dealwith the leader of Iran's radical faction - Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khomeini - to keep the hostages in captivity until after the 1980 Presidential election.

This was nothing short of treason. The Reagan campaign's secret negotiations with Khomeini - the so-called "October Surprise" - sabotaged Carter and Bani-Sadr's attempts to free the hostages. And as Bani-Sadrtold The Christian Science Monitor in Marchof this year, they most certainly "tipped the results of the [1980] election in Reagan's favor."

Not to mention that it was RW son of a ***** Henry Kissinger who begged Carter not once, not twice, but SIX times, to please, pretty please let the Shah into the US for a heart procedure. As sooon as Carter relented, the US Embassy was stormed and the hostages were taken. It was also Righties who tried to get Carter so say no to Operation ARGO, but then he said yes. This proves that a Democratic president should NEVER take the advoce of Righties.

 

[Statistikhengst]

I accept white boy's surrender...

you are drawing a blank with your snark ...GOP fk boy

ROFLMNAO! TWO MORE TO TIE AND THREE TO BREAK THE CONCESSION RECORD FOR CONSISTENT CONCESSIONS TO THE SAME STANDING POINTS!

You RE-RE-RE-Reconcession is Duly Noted and Summarily Accepted!

I see your problemo

That would be a shitty position to be in.

 

[mudwhistle]

Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won t Last - Bloomberg View

A group of 47 Republican senators has written an open letter to Iran's leaders warning them that any nuclear deal they sign with President Barack Obama's administration won’t last after Obama leaves office.

Organized by freshman Senator Tom Cotton and signed by the chamber's entire party leadership as well as potential 2016 presidential contenders Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz and Rand Paul, the letter is meant not just to discourage the Iranian regime from signing a deal but also to pressure the White House into giving Congress some authority over the process.

“It has come to our attention while observing your nuclear negotiations with our government that you may not fully understand our constitutional system … Anything not approved by Congress is a mere executive agreement,” the senators wrote. “The next president could revoke such an executive agreement with the stroke of a pen and future Congresses could modify the terms of the agreement at any time.”

Arms-control advocates and supporters of the negotiations argue that the next president and the next Congress will have a hard time changing or canceling any Iran deal -- -- which is reportedly near done -- especially if it is working reasonably well.

Well, this is new, even in the world of the GOP batshit-crazy. This really does one-up it all. It's also kind of funny that there is a constitutional error in what the Senators wrote to the government of Iran. The Senate does NOT ratify treaties. That is even indicated directly on their Senate website. Instead, the Senate takes up a resolution of ratification, by which the Senate formally gives its advice and consent, empowering the president to proceed with ratification” . It's a fine point, almost splitting hairs, but worth noting.

So, Republicans hate this Democratic President so much that they are even willing to pen a letter to someone they consider an enemy of ours.

Back to the Bloomberg link:

It's stunning. And it's a rebuke on an international stage that doesn't really have a precedent. Imagine Democrats micro-managing the START talks in the 80s by sending an open letter to Gorbachev? It just wouldn't have been viewed as an acceptable political move while the talks were still happening.

The only conclusion we can make is that the GOP is not the loyal opposition, it is a severly disloyal opposition and deserves to be treated with disdain and contempt for such unamerican behavior. The GOP simply hates America, it's that simple.

Republicans apparently acting like Democrats, but for different reasons.
It's clear, btw, that Congress doesn't trust Obama.

 

[Statistikhengst]

Since there are actually six parties in the negotations (not including Iran), I wonder what the signatories to this letter think they are achieving except empty bluster.

They're letting the six parties know that any agreement which potentially provides for Iran to secure Nuclear weapons is not going to be something the US is going to allow.

But in fairness... that's only because allowing Iran to obtain nuclear weapons, is INSANE!

Really?
The US won't allow it?
What if the other signatories to the treaty disagree with the US' assessment when the time comes...Russia, China, Germany, UK, France?

We don't care what the other countries say about it.

If Iran gets Nuclear weapons, we'll destroy them... and if the UN tries to sanction us, we'll laugh an laugh and veto it... and get up the next morning, shower, shave and go to work... having rested assured that the lunatics of Iran's Islamic Cult can't send a Nuclear warhead to evaporate Tel Aviv.

See how that works?

Only, we DO care what our allies think.

You really are THAT stupid, now aren't you. Just another worthless RWNJ troll who can barely find the bathroom.

 

[Statistikhengst]

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The Bibi speech was borderline, but this letter is WAY the **** over the line.

So now, what is ANY country supposed to think of ANY thing that ANY President does at ANY time?

.

Yepp.

 

[Statistikhengst]

Republicans Warn Iran -- and Obama -- That Deal Won t Last - Bloomberg View

A group of 47 Republican senators has written an open letter to Iran's leaders warning them that any nuclear deal they sign with President Barack Obama's administration won’t last after Obama leaves office.

Organized by freshman Senator Tom Cotton and signed by the chamber's entire party leadership as well as potential 2016 presidential contenders Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz and Rand Paul, the letter is meant not just to discourage the Iranian regime from signing a deal but also to pressure the White House into giving Congress some authority over the process.

“It has come to our attention while observing your nuclear negotiations with our government that you may not fully understand our constitutional system … Anything not approved by Congress is a mere executive agreement,” the senators wrote. “The next president could revoke such an executive agreement with the stroke of a pen and future Congresses could modify the terms of the agreement at any time.”

Arms-control advocates and supporters of the negotiations argue that the next president and the next Congress will have a hard time changing or canceling any Iran deal -- -- which is reportedly near done -- especially if it is working reasonably well.

Well, this is new, even in the world of the GOP batshit-crazy. This really does one-up it all. It's also kind of funny that there is a constitutional error in what the Senators wrote to the government of Iran. The Senate does NOT ratify treaties. That is even indicated directly on their Senate website. Instead, the Senate takes up a resolution of ratification, by which the Senate formally gives its advice and consent, empowering the president to proceed with ratification” . It's a fine point, almost splitting hairs, but worth noting.

So, Republicans hate this Democratic President so much that they are even willing to pen a letter to someone they consider an enemy of ours.

Back to the Bloomberg link:

It's stunning. And it's a rebuke on an international stage that doesn't really have a precedent. Imagine Democrats micro-managing the START talks in the 80s by sending an open letter to Gorbachev? It just wouldn't have been viewed as an acceptable political move while the talks were still happening.

The only conclusion we can make is that the GOP is not the loyal opposition, it is a severly disloyal opposition and deserves to be treated with disdain and contempt for such unamerican behavior. The GOP simply hates America, it's that simple.

Republicans apparently acting like Democrats, but for different reasons.
It's clear, btw, that Congress doesn't trust Obama.

No. It's clear that Republicans do not trust Obama. They never have. So, SSDD. Republicans are, however, not all of Congress.

See how that works?

 

[Camp]

Even the Iranians are calling the letter writers assholes. They are mockingly pointing out that the letter writers do not understand the US Constitution and international law and calling the letter nothing more than poorly constructed propaganda.

 

[Kondor3]

Well, for better or worse, the Pubs have served notice that they plan to overturn much of Obumble's work, if they win in 2016.

That one event should be good for a few dozen million votes right there.

Increasingly, a larger and larger percentage of the Voting Public are looking forward to January 20, 2017.

And, in the meantime, trying to marginalize the Failed Messiah insofar as practicable, to minimize the damage that he can do, on the way out the door.

Obama has lost what little trust that much of the Nation once had in him.

It's what comes from Rule by Imperial Decree.

 

[zeke]

Well, for better or worse, the Pubs have served notice that they plan to overturn much of Obumble's work, if they win in 2016.

Yea, I think that was their objective in 2012 as well. Especially that pesky Omamcare. How'd that work out for them hateful Rethugs? Is that done yet? Or are they waiting till they overturn the illegal immigrant situation? How's that working out for them?

But really, the IF they win part is the truth. Big IF.

 

[Statistikhengst]

To say nothing of the fact that Obama was elected (twice) by the American people to be their commander in chief. And they have done nothing but subvert that command and the will of the people from day one. Some would call that treason.

As a clear example from the past:

The new START treaty, an extension of President Ronald Reagan's START treaty:

New START - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

It was signed on April 8, 2010 and went into force after ratification by the US Senate TEN MONTHS later, on February 5, 2011. The Republicans in the Senate made the President wait EIGHT AND ONE HALF months to ratify a document (ratification was December 22, 2010) that should have received 100 Senate votes quite easily.

The original START treaty reduced nuclear missiles on both sides by 1/3. Ronald Reagan, the great Conservative icon, said that he hoped that when the the treaty was up for re-negotiation, that again the two superpowers would reduce their arsenals by 1/3, which is EXACTLY what NEW START did. START I was actually signed by then President George Bush, Sr. (41), in 1991, but it was Reagan's brainchild and he praised it to the high heavens. George W. Bush, Jr. (43) superseded START I with SORT on May 24, 2002. George W. Bush, Jr., to his great credit and over the objections of ultra-Conservatives in the GOP, actually reduced out stockpiles by 50% instead of by 30%, by 2007. I consider this treaty to be one of his greatest achievements. But there are also a couple of catches here. Read further.

But suddenly, for some reason, with a Democratic president in office, nuclear arms reduction became controversial among Republicans. My, how they must have hated Ronald Reagan! Because all Obama did was to speed up the start of the next round of reductions. The reductions from SORT were already completed on both sides by 2008 and the treaty was due to expire in 2012. Instead of waiting two years to start reducing stockpiles again, the President decided to re-open negotiations in 2010. What happened is that the Republicans waited until after the 2010 mid-terms, not wanting GOP voters to see a Republican ratify the execution of any treaty signed by a Democratic President.

Ratification of execution of a treaty requires a 2/3 vote. NEW START passed with only 71 votes in December 2010, just 4 votes above the bare minimum. 29 GOP Senators voted against a renewal of Ronald Reagan's dreamm. By contrast, the US Senate UNANIMOUSLY approved the SORT treaty under Bush 43, which, though it reduced more of the stockpiles, did not not contain any specific verification or compliance provisions. NEW START does. So, in at least two ways, NEW START is a better treaty.

This is how much Republicans hate Obama and hate America. They were almost willing to throw Ronald Reagan's dream of a nuclear-free world out the window in 2010 just because they hate the black dude in the White House. Which is why I would not put it past them to actually aid and abet a real enemy of the USA were it to mean that such would embarrass or harm the current President.

It has gotten THAT bad.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

'no less an authority than a moderator" a quote from a white entitled punk a weakling ....,those who worship "authority" are ditching responsibility...this entitled white man "whereRmy keys" is of the same mind set as the assholes who sent a letter to Iran to sabotage the POTUS...this weakling cry baby "where Rmy keys" is of the same mind set as the Oklahoma white frat boys who thought they were entitled to show out with their bigotry.....I have no respect for the Senators that sent that letter or that bum "whereRmykeys"

 

[Wyatt earp]

I sure am proud of Cotton and the other Senators who are standing up for over 70% of the American people who are scared to death of the deal these fools (Obama And Kerry)....in their desperation for a Legacy...are going to make with religious lunatics who have been cheating each other trading rugs for 2500 years.

The deal should be submitted to Congress...Obama plans not to do so....**** Obama.

No. That is a lie.

The GOP won in 2014 by 6 points, and only 36% of the registered electorate came out.

the GOP has only 54% of the Senate and most of those seats are from states, which, when combined, represent LESS THAN 50% of the US Population. Alone, the populations of the GOP's 8 smallest states is smaller than Los Angeles County alone. That makes for 16 GOP senators who represent states that are collectively smaller than the 2nd largest city in the USA.

So, no, your statement is statistically, factually, a lie. A bald faced lie.

No only that, what Tom Cotton did, he did just to set himself apart from the Freshman crowd. It is seditious at best and treasonous at worst, and even class-action lawsuits could be the result of these antics.

Good student, you Finally found out we are not a democracy, you finally figured out the definition.of the UNITED STATES of america

 

[Seawytch]

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The Bibi speech was borderline, but this letter is WAY the **** over the line.

So now, what is ANY country supposed to think of ANY thing that ANY President does at ANY time?

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Fortunately for us, the Iranian Prime Minister saw through these assholes:

"in our view, this letter has no legal value and is mostly a propaganda ploy. It is very interesting that while negotiations are still in progress and while no agreement has been reached, some political pressure groups are so afraid even of the prospect of an agreement that they resort to unconventional methods, unprecedented in diplomatic history. This indicates that like Netanyahu, who considers peace as an existential threat, some are opposed to any agreement, regardless of its content.

Zarif expressed astonishment that some members of US Congress find it appropriate to write to leaders of another country against their own President and administration. He pointed out that from reading the open letter, it seems that the authors not only do not understand international law, but are not fully cognizant of the nuances of their own Constitution when it comes to presidential powers in the conduct of foreign policy.​

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

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[Wyatt earp]

I hate to say this, but I agree this was a dumb Ass move , its like running to a teacher when as a child, when you Couldn't get your way, It Don't make no sense .