Republican John Kasich Just Got Extremely Real on Obamacare

[Judicial review]

Republican John Kasich Just Got Extremely Real on Obamacare

There are certain rules you have to play by in order to be a part of the Republican Party today, and one of the most important is never to say anything nice about Obamacare. Even if you are trying to push the party toward the center on Obamacare, you must pay fealty to the belief that the law is horrible and must be replaced. Ohio Republican governor John Kasich just committed the ultimate taboo:

"That's not gonna happen," Kasich told The Associated Press during a recent re-election campaign swing.

"The opposition to it was really either political or ideological," the Republican governor added. "I don't think that holds water against real flesh and blood, and real improvements in people's lives."

Obamacare … helps people? The opposition is political or ideological? It should therefore be judged by its actual effects on human lives? Those ideas may be bleedingly obvious, but you can’t say them.

Kasich either has no interest in running for president or possibly remaining in the Republican Party at all, or he will soon be delivering a groveling apology.​

Wait for it.....

Update: Some are wondering why Kasich's statement is so shocking, given that he, and several other Republican governors, have already accepted Obamacare's Medicaid expansion.

Why is Kasich’s Obamacare admission “stunning” when he was an early GOP adopter of the Medicaid expansion? Wake me when Perry comes aboard.

— daveweigel (@daveweigel) October 20, 2014​

The answer is that accepting the Medicaid expansion, which was already contentious and possibly disqualifying for a potential president, required a series of evasions. Republicans would portray Medicaid as having nothing to do with Obamacare. Or they would argue that the law is horrible, and they would love to repeal it, but until that happens they can't turn away free money for their state.

What no major Republican has done is depict the law as a positive good while dismissing opposition.

Second update: ...aaaand here's Kasich claiming the AP is "wrong," without explaining what part about the quote is wrong:

The AP got it wrong. Ohio said NO to the Obamacare exchange for a reason. As always, my position is that we need to repeal and replace.

— John Kasich (@JohnKasich) October 20, 2014

​

Yes it's free money to the states, because it's already committed. Yes, Ohio's medicaid program is the best in the country. Yes, Kasich wants to repeal and replace it. And your point is? Oh, that's right you have none.

The spin is killing me!

Fact is fact. If you want to believe the BS politicians in the GOP and far right who are trying to control your mind and the way it thinks because they think you are too stupid to know the difference between the political reality and the ideological fight that can't be won till 2016, then that's your choice.

 

[Clementine]

So conservatives should stop playing politics with people's health care and stop opposing the Medicaid expansion. Right?

I remember it being suggested that we just expand Medicaid instead of passing a bill that no one read. That way, people could have kept the plans and doctors that they liked and other people would have been helped.

Instead, we have this crappy law that caused millions to lose their plans.

 

[Judicial review]

So conservatives should stop playing politics with people's health care and stop opposing the Medicaid expansion. Right?

I remember it being suggested that we just expand Medicaid instead of passing a bill that no one read. That way, people could have kept the plans and doctors that they liked and other people would have been helped.

Instead, we have this crappy law that caused millions to lose their plans.

Exactly. It was intentional by the liberal elite. They wanted control over private sector or every private business and it's employees and to get that power they need you on Obamacare. Medicaid expansion would have solved all those 30 million uninsured. It's funny synthoholic uses Ohio Gov as an example, because since him becoming Governor Ohio's medicaid programs has been best in the nation.

 

[NYcarbineer]

This is out of context propaganda. No surprise coming from dishonest lefties.

He said he believes the ACA "can and should" be repealed, but that opposition to the Medicaid expansion "was really either political or ideological," adding, "I don't think that holds water against real flesh and blood and real improvements in people's lives."

Then get off your ass and show us the context that changes the apparent content and meaning of what he said.

 

[NYcarbineer]

So conservatives should stop playing politics with people's health care and stop opposing the Medicaid expansion. Right?

I remember it being suggested that we just expand Medicaid instead of passing a bill that no one read. That way, people could have kept the plans and doctors that they liked and other people would have been helped.

Instead, we have this crappy law that caused millions to lose their plans.

Sure. Conservatives would have gotten behind the simple expansion of the biggest socialist program in America...

 

[Judicial review]

So conservatives should stop playing politics with people's health care and stop opposing the Medicaid expansion. Right?

I remember it being suggested that we just expand Medicaid instead of passing a bill that no one read. That way, people could have kept the plans and doctors that they liked and other people would have been helped.

Instead, we have this crappy law that caused millions to lose their plans.

Sure. Conservatives would have gotten behind the simple expansion of the biggest socialist program in America...

The GOP on congress were all for medicaid expansion but just didn't want to be held liable politically. Dumbshit. Again this discussion has proven to be to complex for you. Better butt out.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

This is out of context propaganda. No surprise coming from dishonest lefties.

He said he believes the ACA "can and should" be repealed, but that opposition to the Medicaid expansion "was really either political or ideological," adding, "I don't think that holds water against real flesh and blood and real improvements in people's lives."

Then get off your ass and show us the context that changes the apparent content and meaning of what he said.

The point was relative to the thread's gist.

 

[NYcarbineer]

So conservatives should stop playing politics with people's health care and stop opposing the Medicaid expansion. Right?

I remember it being suggested that we just expand Medicaid instead of passing a bill that no one read. That way, people could have kept the plans and doctors that they liked and other people would have been helped.

Instead, we have this crappy law that caused millions to lose their plans.

Sure. Conservatives would have gotten behind the simple expansion of the biggest socialist program in America...

The GOP on congress were all for medicaid expansion but just didn't want to be held liable politically. Dumbshit. Again this discussion has proven to be to complex for you. Better butt out.

Why then did the Paul Ryan budget have big cuts to Medicaid in it?

Ryan Block Grant Proposal Would Cut Medicaid by More Than One-Quarter by 2024 and More After That mdash Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Republican John Kasich Just Got Extremely Real on Obamacare

There are certain rules you have to play by in order to be a part of the Republican Party today, and one of the most important is never to say anything nice about Obamacare. Even if you are trying to push the party toward the center on Obamacare, you must pay fealty to the belief that the law is horrible and must be replaced. Ohio Republican governor John Kasich just committed the ultimate taboo:

"That's not gonna happen," Kasich told The Associated Press during a recent re-election campaign swing.

"The opposition to it was really either political or ideological," the Republican governor added. "I don't think that holds water against real flesh and blood, and real improvements in people's lives."

Obamacare … helps people? The opposition is political or ideological? It should therefore be judged by its actual effects on human lives? Those ideas may be bleedingly obvious, but you can’t say them.

Kasich either has no interest in running for president or possibly remaining in the Republican Party at all, or he will soon be delivering a groveling apology.​

Wait for it.....

Update: Some are wondering why Kasich's statement is so shocking, given that he, and several other Republican governors, have already accepted Obamacare's Medicaid expansion.

Why is Kasich’s Obamacare admission “stunning” when he was an early GOP adopter of the Medicaid expansion? Wake me when Perry comes aboard.

— daveweigel (@daveweigel) October 20, 2014​

The answer is that accepting the Medicaid expansion, which was already contentious and possibly disqualifying for a potential president, required a series of evasions. Republicans would portray Medicaid as having nothing to do with Obamacare. Or they would argue that the law is horrible, and they would love to repeal it, but until that happens they can't turn away free money for their state.

What no major Republican has done is depict the law as a positive good while dismissing opposition.

Second update: ...aaaand here's Kasich claiming the AP is "wrong," without explaining what part about the quote is wrong:

The AP got it wrong. Ohio said NO to the Obamacare exchange for a reason. As always, my position is that we need to repeal and replace.

— John Kasich (@JohnKasich) October 20, 2014

​

Yes it's free money to the states, because it's already committed. Yes, Ohio's medicaid program is the best in the country. Yes, Kasich wants to repeal and replace it. And your point is? Oh, that's right you have none.

The spin is killing me!

Fact is fact. If you want to believe the BS politicians in the GOP and far right who are trying to control your mind and the way it thinks because they think you are too stupid to know the difference between the political reality and the ideological fight that can't be won till 2016, then that's your choice.

What in the world are you talking about?

 

[jknowgood]

This is out of context propaganda. No surprise coming from dishonest lefties.

He said he believes the ACA "can and should" be repealed, but that opposition to the Medicaid expansion "was really either political or ideological," adding, "I don't think that holds water against real flesh and blood and real improvements in people's lives."

"That's not gonna happen," Kasich told The Associated Press during a recent re-election campaign swing.

"The opposition to it was really either political or ideological," the Republican governor added. "I don't think that holds water against real flesh and blood, and real improvements in people's lives."​

So conservatives should stop playing politics with people's health care and stop opposing the Medicaid expansion. Right?

That's not gonna happen. The problem with Republicans is this delusional life they live.
They thought they could march into Iraq and be greeted as "liberators". Instead, they hate our guts.
Republicans think if you move the wealth of the nation to the top 1%, the job CREATORS will create jobs. Well, they did. In China.
Republicans think if you abolish the minimum wage and benefits, we can compete with China.

They only imagine. Their policies are based on nothing but imagination. Worse, they assume because they do that, everyone else must.

Regulations and high taxes moved jobs over seas, a liberal idea. Dumb ass

 

[blackhawk]

Obamacare has an approval rating of 38% enough said.

 

[Synthaholic]

There are good parts to the law

^^^ The slow walk back of the Far-Right's position.

 

[Synthaholic]

So conservatives should stop playing politics with people's health care and stop opposing the Medicaid expansion. Right?

I remember it being suggested that we just expand Medicaid instead of passing a bill that no one read. That way, people could have kept the plans and doctors that they liked and other people would have been helped.

Instead, we have this crappy law that caused millions to lose their plans.

False.

 

[Harry Dresden]

That's not gonna happen. The problem with Republicans is this delusional life they live.
They thought they could march into Iraq and be greeted as "liberators". Instead, they hate our guts.

At the time, I was asking people: "Name the American town that would greet an invading foreign army peacefully".

Guess how many towns were named?

i could name a few people here who would.....Katz has already kinda said she would welcome a foreign army as long as Obama and company and all pot smokers are put out of their misery....she did not say how she would get them out afterwards.....

 

[Stephanie]

What is with the left that is so IN LOVE with this Forced New government Entitlement?

Synthia, are you getting Subsidized on it?

 

[Judicial review]

There are good parts to the law

^^^ The slow walk back of the Far-Right's position.

What makes you think I'm far right?

 

[Stephanie]

There are good parts to the law

^^^ The slow walk back of the Far-Right's position.

What makes you think I'm far right?

He thinks everyone but a few on here is FAR riiiiiiiiiggggggggggttttt
He's a tool for the Democrat party

 

[Judicial review]

There are good parts to the law

^^^ The slow walk back of the Far-Right's position.

What makes you think I'm far right?

He thinks everyone but a few on here is FAR riiiiiiiiiggggggggggttttt
He's a tool for the Democrat party

That explains it. He's scared of John Kasich running for president. He knows I'm right. Funny.

 

[Synthaholic]

There are good parts to the law

^^^ The slow walk back of the Far-Right's position.

What makes you think I'm far right?

Your posts.

 

[Synthaholic]

There are good parts to the law

^^^ The slow walk back of the Far-Right's position.

What makes you think I'm far right?

He thinks everyone but a few on here is FAR riiiiiiiiiggggggggggttttt
He's a tool for the Democrat party

That explains it. He's scared of John Kasich running for president. He knows I'm right. Funny.

Yeah, I'm afraid of Sarah Palin and Fred Thompson running, also.