CrusaderFrank
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So what suddenly happened to the 17 million other "Americans" Obama and the Dems were talking about just yesterday morning?
Republican Joe Wilson of SC called President a liar during the joint session
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So what suddenly happened to the 17 million other "Americans" Obama and the Dems were talking about just yesterday morning?
Probably a few frabricated and mostly illegals! I am not denying that illegals will get covered, because they will and do. This fact pisses me off, but the classless comment was out of line!
namvet
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so is Osama. he's way outta line and deserved the slam.
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We read all 1,000-plus pages of the health care bill and were struck by the fact that it is largely silent on health care for illegal immigrants. Keep in mind that experts estimated there were 6.8 million uninsured illegal immigrants in the United States in 2007, out of a total of 11.9 million illegal immigrants. Right now, most states have laws on the books that require hospitals to treat severely ill people who arrive at the hospital, regardless of immigration status, and we didn't see anything that would change those laws, either.
Most illegal immigrants are also now excluded from Medicaid, the government-run health care for the poor. We didn't see anything that would change that.
Have to remember, these people do not want to debate. they want to stop the President! Fortunately this clown is up for reelection and his opponents campaign funds are rising rapidly.
Most illegal immigrants are also now excluded from Medicaid, the government-run health care for the poor. We didn't see anything that would change that.
Have to remember, these people do not want to debate. they want to stop the President! Fortunately this clown is up for reelection and his opponents campaign funds are rising rapidly.
HUGGY
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I think the greatest health care system in the world killed 17 million over the summer
obama2ndterm
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So, there it is, in the actual bill text, printed in black and white. FactCheck.org and several others have also debunked this rumor.
The Sunlight Foundation has been urging members of Congress to post bills online for 72 hours so they and everyone else can get a chance to read the bill so they can, you know, understand it and make informed comments before voting. We’ve done part of the work here by posting the bill for everyone to read, but while you can lead a representative to water, you cannot make him drink.
The Sunlight Foundation has been urging members of Congress to post bills online for 72 hours so they and everyone else can get a chance to read the bill so they can, you know, understand it and make informed comments before voting. We’ve done part of the work here by posting the bill for everyone to read, but while you can lead a representative to water, you cannot make him drink.
namvet
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The liberal media is in an uproar over Republican Joe Wilson yelling "liar" to Obama when he said illegals would not be covered under Obamacare
Well, how did Dems react when Pres Bush wanted to reform Social Security and told the truth about it?
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Well, how did Dems react when Pres Bush wanted to reform Social Security and told the truth about it?
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CrusaderFrank
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Obamacare Announcement:
While we are still partners with God in matters of Life and Death, due to the public outcry the Death panels will be replaced by a lottery system.
While we are still partners with God in matters of Life and Death, due to the public outcry the Death panels will be replaced by a lottery system.
namvet
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that was just one of many warnings by Bush and the GOP of the impending disasters that democraps ignored
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You know...callus as it sounds, I wish they would. But I know it will not happen because that would require hospitals to be immigration agents. It would require hospital doctors to go against their Hypocratic Oath (sorry if it's mispelled).
We passed Prop 187 years ago that did something like this...it was struck down as unConstitutional in Federal Court.
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The difference between "legal" and "illegal"
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In 2006, when the British police -- using (among other things) electronic surveillance conducted by both the U.S. and British Governments -- thwarted a Terrorist plot to blow up transcontinental airplanes over the Atlantic Ocean, right-wing polemicists everywhere claimed that this was vindication for the Bush/Cheney warrantless eavesdropping program. But there was one rather enormous problem with that claim: namely, the surveillance in question was entirely legal, conducted by obtaining warrants under the supervision of the FISA court where required by law. The disruption of that Terrorist plot thus proved exactly the opposite of what was widely claimed: namely, the extremely broad parameters of FISA easily allowed surveillance of dangerous Terrorists, and there was therefore no need to break the law as Bush officials did. But because the distinction between "legal" and "illegal" is no longer recognized when it comes to government acts, that fact eluded virtually all discussions of the British airplane plot. To prove that "legal surveillance is good" was to prove that "Bush's illegal eavesdropping was justified.
sent by protect_democracy since 18 hours 30 minutes, published about 33 minutes
In 2006, when the British police -- using (among other things) electronic surveillance conducted by both the U.S. and British Governments -- thwarted a Terrorist plot to blow up transcontinental airplanes over the Atlantic Ocean, right-wing polemicists everywhere claimed that this was vindication for the Bush/Cheney warrantless eavesdropping program. But there was one rather enormous problem with that claim: namely, the surveillance in question was entirely legal, conducted by obtaining warrants under the supervision of the FISA court where required by law. The disruption of that Terrorist plot thus proved exactly the opposite of what was widely claimed: namely, the extremely broad parameters of FISA easily allowed surveillance of dangerous Terrorists, and there was therefore no need to break the law as Bush officials did. But because the distinction between "legal" and "illegal" is no longer recognized when it comes to government acts, that fact eluded virtually all discussions of the British airplane plot. To prove that "legal surveillance is good" was to prove that "Bush's illegal eavesdropping was justified.
Wicked Jester
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Joe Wilson was absolutely right!
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you are talking about "emergency care" we are talking about cradle to grave entitlement called "public option" two different issues altogether.
VaYank5150
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IF this is truly how you are thinking, then it is obvious you have NO FUCKING CLUE about healthcare costs and what is impacting them. You obviously did not listen to Obama's speech, nor have you done ANY homework on the subject. Please crawl back under your rock and let the adults debate this.
Wicked Jester
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You mean like the "bad manners" displayed by the over 200 democrats during Bush's state of the union a couple o' years back?
What comes around, goes around, Closeted homosexual freak!
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From the Congressional Research Service
"Under H.R. 3200, a Health Insurance Exchange would begin operation in 2013 and would offer private plans alongside a public option H.R. 3200 does not contain any restrictions on noncitzenswhether legally or illegally present, or in the United States temporarily or permanentlyparticipating in the Exchange.
CRS also notes that undocumented aliens who have a substantial presence in the US would be required to buy health insurance (page 4) through the exchanges in HR3200. They would also become eligible for emergency Medicaid, although not normal Medicaid (page 6) for up to five years.
hes fucking lying
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"Under H.R. 3200, a Health Insurance Exchange would begin operation in 2013 and would offer private plans alongside a public option H.R. 3200 does not contain any restrictions on noncitzenswhether legally or illegally present, or in the United States temporarily or permanentlyparticipating in the Exchange.
CRS also notes that undocumented aliens who have a substantial presence in the US would be required to buy health insurance (page 4) through the exchanges in HR3200. They would also become eligible for emergency Medicaid, although not normal Medicaid (page 6) for up to five years.
hes fucking lying
end of discussion
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