Repeal the 22nd Amendment and the 17th, too.

The Pennsylvania Supreme Court is hard left, you should know.

They actually are in favor of gerrymandering for liberal benefit, and like to usurp the Constitutional prerogatives of the general assembly.
I'm talking the US supreme court in the Texas case.

In the case, Abbott v. Perez,

The justices said that Texas House District 90, which surrounds Fort Worth, Texas, is an "impermissible racial gerrymander" because the Texas legislature changed it to manipulate the percent of the district made up of Hispanic and African-American voters.
 
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The federal senate violates the equal protection clause, but as it was "the great compromise" put into the constitution, so it takes precedent over equal protection. Similar to the 3/5ths compromise. It's actually the 14th amendment that requires states give their voters equal protection, not the 17th.

The amendment clearly calls out the States, not the federal government.

And it should be modified to allow Senate like bodies as upper houses in the States.
 
The amendment clearly calls out the States, not the federal government.

And it should be modified to allow Senate like bodies as upper houses in the States.
Please read it:

Seventeenth Amendment
The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, elected by the people thereof, for six years; and each Senator shall have one vote. The electors in each State shall have the qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the State legislatures.

When vacancies happen in the representation of any State in the Senate, the executive authority of such State shall issue writs of election to fill such vacancies: Provided, That the legislature of any State may empower the executive thereof to make temporary appointments until the people fill the vacancies by election as the legislature may direct.

This amendment shall not be so construed as to affect the election or term of any Senator chosen before it becomes valid as part of the Constitution.
 
Please read it:

Seventeenth Amendment
The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, elected by the people thereof, for six years; and each Senator shall have one vote. The electors in each State shall have the qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the State legislatures.

When vacancies happen in the representation of any State in the Senate, the executive authority of such State shall issue writs of election to fill such vacancies: Provided, That the legislature of any State may empower the executive thereof to make temporary appointments until the people fill the vacancies by election as the legislature may direct.

This amendment shall not be so construed as to affect the election or term of any Senator chosen before it becomes valid as part of the Constitution.

And read the 14th.

It clearly only imposes this on the States.

No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
 
And it should be modified to allow Senate like bodies as upper houses in the States.
As I said, the senate was the "great compromise", which if not being part of the constitution, couldn't be added later without violating equal protection (14th amendment)
 
As I said, the senate was the "great compromise", which if not being part of the constitution, couldn't be added later without violating equal protection (14th amendment)

And the 14th still only applies to the States.

And if a geographical upper house is good enough for the federal government, the States should be allowed to do so as well.
 
The 14th amendment needs to be modified to allow the States to go back to upper legislative houses based on geography and not population.
Why would you want senate districts based on land area?

That would give a tiny county with hundreds of residents, the same representation as a big city, with millions.
 
And the 14th still only applies to the States.

And if a geographical upper house is good enough for the federal government, the States should be allowed to do so as well.
The senate isn't geographical. It's "states rights", with every state getting an equal say in the senate. It has nothing to do with land area.

Remember, the constitution forbids subdividing states, in order to turn that area into more states.
 
Why would you want senate districts based on land area?

That would give a tiny county with hundreds of residents, the same representation as a big city, with millions.

That's how it used to be in many States, and it's for the same reason the Senate exists, so large population centers don't control the governments.

If people in a given City want given laws, make them at the city level, why impose them on the rest of the State?
 
The senate isn't geographical. It's "states rights", with every state getting an equal say in the senate. It has nothing to do with land area.

Remember, the constitution forbids subdividing states, in order to turn that area into more states.

It is geographical, it's based per State, regardless of State size. It has to do with land area by ignoring population AND size.

It doesn't forbid it. It requires approval of congress and the State in question.
 
That's how it used to be in many States, and it's for the same reason the Senate exists, so large population centers don't control the governments.

If people in a given City want given laws, make them at the city level, why impose them on the rest of the State?
Cities have ordinances.
States have laws.

The main difference between a law and an ordinance is that a law is created by a state or national government, while an ordinance is created by a local government:

Laws
Created by a state or national government, laws serve many purposes, including establishing standards, maintaining order, and resolving disputes.

Ordinances
Created by a local government, such as a city council or county board of supervisors, ordinances establish rules for the local government or govern public activity in the community. Ordinances can cover a variety of topics, such as zoning and rental building requirements.
 
Cities have ordinances.
States have laws.

The main difference between a law and an ordinance is that a law is created by a state or national government, while an ordinance is created by a local government:

Laws
Created by a state or national government, laws serve many purposes, including establishing standards, maintaining order, and resolving disputes.

Ordinances
Created by a local government, such as a city council or county board of supervisors, ordinances establish rules for the local government or govern public activity in the community. Ordinances can cover a variety of topics, such as zoning and rental building requirements.

Cities can have laws, it depends on how their charters are written.

That's also dependent on the State Constitution and it's home rule charters. It's not a general rule.
 
Cities can have laws, it depends on how their charters are written.

That's also dependent on the State Constitution and it's home rule charters. It's not a general rule.

Please, read the difference between the two

Yes, cities can pass laws, which are called ordinances.
Ordinances can cover a range of local issues, such as:
Speed limits
Sign sizes
Local government structure
Parking
Dimensions
Industrial use only
Placement of utilities
Types of buildings
 
Here are some key points about ordinances:

Validity
Ordinances must be properly enacted and cannot conflict with state or federal law.

Scope
Ordinances apply only within the municipality in which they are adopted.
 
Please, read the difference between the two

Yes, cities can pass laws, which are called ordinances.
Ordinances can cover a range of local issues, such as:
Speed limits
Sign sizes
Local government structure
Parking
Dimensions
Industrial use only
Placement of utilities
Types of buildings

Semantics.

NYC has laws, and it even has rules.

Laws of the City of New York - Law Department.

The laws and rules of the City of New York are now available on the Web. The Law Department contracted with American Legal Publishing Corporation for a site where you can browse and search the New York City Charter, the New York City Administrative Code, and the Rules of the City of New York.
 
The 22nd Amendment is virulently anti democratic.

Only those who loathe democracy would tolerate the continuation of the 22nd Amendment.

We were able to repeal idiotic Prohibition. We can repeal the 22nd Amendment, too.

Oh, and while we’re at it, let’s get rid of the direct election of Senators, too. Let’s return some power to the States. Repeal the 17th Amendment.

You’re welcome, America.
Our country felt it necessary to enact the 17th Amendment for good reason.

First, it was widely believed state legislators were easily bought. There were several cases of such corruption which fed into this belief. And one only has to pick up a local newspaper to see this is still true today.

Second, just ponder how often the US Senate is deadlocked today by partisans. The same was true of state legislatures.

Between 1891 and 1905, 46 elections were deadlocked, in 20 different states; in one extreme example, a Senate seat for Delaware went unfilled from 1899 until 1903. The business of holding elections also caused great disruption in the state legislatures, with a full third of the Oregon House of Representatives choosing not to swear the oath of office in 1897 due to a dispute over an open Senate seat. The result was that the legislature was unable to pass legislation that year.


By the time the 17th amendment was a viable proposal, 33 states had already changed their election laws so that their Senators were chosen by popular vote. 31 state legislatures had passed resolutions calling for a Constitutional amendment allowing popular vote, and ten Republicans who opposed an amendment lost their seats. 27 states were calling for a constitutional convention, with 31 being the threshold.


But there is yet more to this than meets the eye. Much more.

You see, in the past, voter district lines were based on geography, not population. Voting districts were given equal geographic size, the result of which was rural votes were seriously overweighted. There might be 20 times as many people in an urban voting district, but they were given one representative in the state legislature, and the rural district was also given one representative in the state legislature even though it had much fewer people in it.

In such a scheme, one can see how the votes of rural voters, who tend to be conservatives, greatly outweigh the votes of urban voters (who tend to be liberal).

Three Supreme Court decisions changed all that. These are known as the "one man, one vote" decisions. District lines are now based on population.


But...US Senate districts (the states) are still based on geography. And there are still more rural states than heavily urbanized states.

You can see where this is going.

This means, on the Senate district level, rural states' votes continue to be more heavily weighted than urbanized states with the result that 28 state legislatures are Republican controlled, while only 21 state legislatures are Democratic controlled. The rest are split.

Consequently, the immediate result of repealing the 17th amendment would result in 56 GOP Senators, 42 Democratic Senators, with the rest being a tossup. The Republicans would gain a permanent majority in the Senate.

I believe that is the real purpose of the drive to repeal the 17th amendment, with the restoring-states-authority-over-the-federal-government argument just the thinnest of smokescreens.
 
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