Repeal the 22nd Amendment and the 17th, too.

[martybegan]

Oil prices returned to pre OPEC levels.
They were still around, but strategically weakened, where they wouldn't try to control global oil prices for decades.

Decades?

They hit a dip, and went right back to where they were.

Talk about some bullshit spin.

 

[postman]

Decades?

They hit a dip, and went right back to where they were.

Talk about some bullshit spin.

U.S. Crude Oil First Purchase Price (Dollars per Barrel)

 

[martybegan]

U.S. Crude Oil First Purchase Price (Dollars per Barrel)

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Adjusted for inflation?

 

[ThisIsMe]

I'm saying currently 10% of the states, determine who is president. The red and blue states no longer determine who wins.

It's not just 10% of the states. Every state has a voice. Those swing states alone can't decide an election.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Actually, solidly red states and solidly blue states no longer have a say in who is president.
It's now decided by the swing states. Which are only 10% of the states, and less than 2% of the population.

That's only because you're looking at it wrong. Those red and blue states haven't lost any power, we've just become numb to their existence because they always vote the same, and that gives the swing states the appearance of more power. You can't win an election on swing states alone

 

[ThisIsMe]

That's assuming that people in urban and rural areas have nothing in common.

If there was equal representation, people in rural areas would have equal representation.

Perhaps respect for the rights of the individual should supersede geography.

but you're suggesting that people in those rural areas should lose their voice. You want to negate their vote.

And, as far as lifestyle goes, people in urban areas generally don't have much in common with people in rural areas.

 

[BackAgain]

Backagain can't count.

It’s not a matter of counting.

It’s just knowing which Amendment is which.

Unlike you, I do.

 

[postman]

It’s not a matter of counting.

It’s just knowing which Amendment is which.

Unlike you, I do.

You confused the 14th and 17th.

So you were only off by 3.

 

[Moonglow]

The Amendments will stand the GOP and the MAGATs are creamin and dreamin of shit they can't change.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The 22nd Amendment is virulently anti democratic.

Only those who loathe democracy would tolerate the continuation of the 22nd Amendment.

We were able to repeal idiotic Prohibition. We can repeal the 22nd Amendment, too.

Oh, and while we’re at it, let’s get rid of the direct election of Senators, too. Let’s return some power to the States. Repeal the 17th Amendment.

You’re welcome, America.

Apply the 22nd to all elected branched of government

 

[postman]

That's only because you're looking at it wrong. Those red and blue states haven't lost any power, we've just become numb to their existence because they always vote the same, and that gives the swing states the appearance of more power. You can't win an election on swing states alone

See the Banzhaf power index

Banzhaf power index - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Banzhaf power index, named after John Banzhaf (originally invented by Lionel Penrose in 1946 and sometimes called Penrose–Banzhaf index; also known as the Banzhaf–Coleman index after James Samuel Coleman), is a power index defined by the probability of changing an outcome of a vote where voting rights are not necessarily equally divided among the voters or shareholders.

To calculate the power of a voter using the Banzhaf index, list all the winning coalitions, then count the critical voters. A critical voter is a voter who, if he changed his vote from yes to no, would cause the measure to fail. A voter's power is measured as the fraction of all swing votes that he could cast.




An example is imagine a country with three states.
Two large states A and B with 49 votes each, and one small state C with only 2 votes.
Which states have the most power?
If A and B agree, then they will always get their way with 98 votes.
But if they disagree (49-49) suddenly the state with 2 votes, decides the issue.
Similarly if A and C agree, or B and C agree, then the other big state is powerless to change the outcome.

This actually makes the small state C, the most powerful.

 

[postman]

The Amendments will stand the GOP and the MAGATs are creamin and dreamin of shit they can't change.

They can change the constitution, but they'll need to find a way to make that chance amenable to the rest of the states.

And you have 18 states that have a democratically controlled legislature. (the one's who ratify amendments)
Republicans control 27 legislatures, with 4 states have split legislatures and one non-partisan.

They will need at least two democratic state legislatures to ratify. Along with all the split and independent legislatures.

Mathematically, that means it has to be bi-partisan, or it goes nowhere.

 

[ThisIsMe]

See the Banzhaf power index

Banzhaf power index - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Banzhaf power index, named after John Banzhaf (originally invented by Lionel Penrose in 1946 and sometimes called Penrose–Banzhaf index; also known as the Banzhaf–Coleman index after James Samuel Coleman), is a power index defined by the probability of changing an outcome of a vote where voting rights are not necessarily equally divided among the voters or shareholders.

To calculate the power of a voter using the Banzhaf index, list all the winning coalitions, then count the critical voters. A critical voter is a voter who, if he changed his vote from yes to no, would cause the measure to fail. A voter's power is measured as the fraction of all swing votes that he could cast.




An example is imagine a country with three states.
Two large states A and B with 49 votes each, and one small state C with only 2 votes.
Which states have the most power?
If A and B agree, then they will always get their way with 98 votes.
But if they disagree (49-49) suddenly the state with 2 votes, decides the issue.
Similarly if A and C agree, or B and C agree, then the other big state is powerless to change the outcome.

This actually makes the small state C, the most powerful.

Not really, you're using an extreme example. We have 538 electoral votes up for grabs. It takes multiple states to reach that goal. No election is won by swing states alone. The issue is that we have states that will always vote a certain way, so it gives the appearance that the smaller states have more power, but that's just an illusion created by the other states being solid as a rock.

The smaller states still only have small number of electoral votes. Their power is still proportional to their size. If one of the bigger states flips, those smaller states get eaten up by the bigger states.

 

[BackAgain]

You confused the 14th and 17th.

So you were only off by 3.

No. The 14th has nothing to do with what I addressed. The 17th was correct all along.

 

[postman]

Not really, you're using an extreme example. We have 538 electoral votes up for grabs. It takes multiple states to reach that goal. No election is won by swing states alone. The issue is that we have states that will always vote a certain way, so it gives the appearance that the smaller states have more power, but that's just an illusion created by the other states being solid as a rock.

It's not an illusion, it's a reality.
It was no different on the supreme court, when you had 4 solidly conservative justices, and 4 solidly liberal justices, and one who could side either way. That one justice became the deciding vote, and hence the most powerful justice on the bench.

 

[postman]

Oh, and while we’re at it, let’s get rid of the direct election of Senators, too. Let’s return some power to the States. Repeal the 17th Amendment.

You’re welcome, America.

Interesting. You want senators to be chosen in smoke filled back rooms, instead of the people deciding who they want to represent them.

You want to return power to the often gerrymandered legislature, and take it from the people of the state.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Interesting. You want senators to be chosen in smoke filled back rooms, instead of the people deciding who they want to represent them.

You want to return power to the often gerrymandered legislature, and take it from the people of the state.

who elects the legislature?

 

[postman]

who elects the legislature?

Who elected Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Who elected Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini?

you are a retard the legislature is elected by the people of the State.

 

[Zincwarrior]

The urban centers can pass their own local laws.

Why should rural areas be beholden to urban ones?

The vote should go where the actual person lives, not where the dirt is. If someone lives in a city, it should go there. If someone lives in a suburb, there, country, there.