I do not disagree, and we can do is try to mitigate it as best we can, and look out for our most vulnerable.
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I do not disagree, and we can do is try to mitigate it as best we can, and look out for our most vulnerable.
XponentialChaos
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I read the entire thing and I honestly don't know how you misinterpreted it.
Show me what you're referring to and I can take a closer look at it.
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COVID is a cold. Once you get a cold you do not get the same one twice. This is why the older you get the fewer colds you get as you have built up an immunity to many of the strains. My Doctor went to Harvard Med School. I ll take his diagnosis over yours lol.
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His name is StupidFakeDave and yes, this one is challenging for the title.
XponentialChaos
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I'll take a look at any links you provide. So far, I'm seeing the exact opposite reported.
Oddball
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I didn't vote for Trump, and haven't even voted at all since 2000.
Really, and Sweden has had a uptick in the virus, so does that tell you something?
Sweden COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
Sweden Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.www.worldometers.info
Also seeing Trump was for closing the Government down for a period of time does that mean he was gullible and if so why are you voting for him seeing how easily he fell for what you believe is a non issue?
Sweden had an uptick in people who tested positive....Since nobody can possibly know how many have been exposed and infected, because most show no or only mild symptoms (per at least the two California studies), the "uptick" is only based upon those reporting for treatment.
Yes, Trump got chumped.....Again.
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Ask him. Would you shut the economy for 5 years? He will say “yes”. Would you?
Be careful about that...there is conflicting evidence on immunity.
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You’re insane. Wow. OK. So then how do you explain them asking me to donate plasma to help those infected?
Bruce_T_Laney
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What should have been done is Hot Zones like New York City should have been closed down and the rest of the Nation kept on going.
The reality is it was the Governor call of each State and some went full nutter on it and others did not.
Texas left it to the County Judge and City officials while closing State Offices.
Was it the correct course of action?
In my opinion Cities like Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, Austin, Brownsville, Laredo and El Paso had no choice but enforce strict guidelines but towns across Texas did not and we are doing fine.
Next thirty days people in Harris County must wear masks or face a fine.
Now will that stop the spread?
It will slow it but in the end all of this is just putting off reality that sooner or later all of us will catch it!
So test everyone twice while reopening and those infected have to quarantine and no it is not perfect but it is better than shutting down everything again...
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I got a call from Mass General asking me to donate to help infected patients with my plasma. They are very certain I am immune. As is my doctor. I believe Them.
XponentialChaos
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I didn't read that.
FYI
Be careful!
YOU MIGHT NOT BE IMMUNE!
The World Health Organization is warning that people who have had Covid-19 are not necessarily immune by the presence of antibodies from getting the virus again.
"There is no evidence yet that people who have had Covid-19 will not get a second infection," WHO said in a scientific brief published Friday.
What is herd immunity and why some think it could end the coronavirus pandemic
It cautions against governments that are considering issuing so-called "immunity passports" to people who have had Covid-19, assuming they are safe to resume normal life.
"At this point in the pandemic, there is not enough evidence about the effectiveness of antibody-mediated immunity to guarantee the accuracy of an 'immunity passport' or 'risk-free certificate,' " WHO said.
Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove from WHO has previously said it's not known whether people who have been exposed to the virus become completely immune. The new WHO brief underscores that stance, and jibes with other scientific statements about the idea of developing immunity.
During a Friday briefing, the Infectious Diseases Society of America warned that not enough is known about antibody testing to assume immunity.
Dr. Mary Hayden, spokesperson for IDSA and chief of the Division of Infectious Diseases at Rush University Medical Center, said, "We do not know whether or not patients who have these antibodies are still at risk of reinfection with Covid-19. At this point, I think we have to assume that they could be at risk of reinfection."
"We don't know even if the antibodies are protective, what degree of protection they provide, so it could be complete, it could be partial, or how long the antibodies last," Hayden added, "We know that antibody responses wane over time."
The society is "recommending that people with antibodies not change their behavior in any way, continue social distancing etc. And we think that this is a really important point to emphasize because we're concerned that if this could be present, that these antibodies could be misinterpreted, people could put themselves at unnecessary risk," Hayden said.
WHO says no evidence shows that having coronavirus prevents a second infection | CNN
The World Health Organization is warning that people who have had Covid-19 are not necessarily immune by the presence of antibodies from getting the virus again.
www.cnn.com
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Ask him then. He will happily answer you
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CNN is fake news.FYI
Be careful!
YOU MIGHT NOT BE IMMUNE!
The World Health Organization is warning that people who have had Covid-19 are not necessarily immune by the presence of antibodies from getting the virus again.
"There is no evidence yet that people who have had Covid-19 will not get a second infection," WHO said in a scientific brief published Friday.
What is herd immunity and why some think it could end the coronavirus pandemic
It cautions against governments that are considering issuing so-called "immunity passports" to people who have had Covid-19, assuming they are safe to resume normal life.
"At this point in the pandemic, there is not enough evidence about the effectiveness of antibody-mediated immunity to guarantee the accuracy of an 'immunity passport' or 'risk-free certificate,' " WHO said.
Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove from WHO has previously said it's not known whether people who have been exposed to the virus become completely immune. The new WHO brief underscores that stance, and jibes with other scientific statements about the idea of developing immunity.
During a Friday briefing, the Infectious Diseases Society of America warned that not enough is known about antibody testing to assume immunity.
Dr. Mary Hayden, spokesperson for IDSA and chief of the Division of Infectious Diseases at Rush University Medical Center, said, "We do not know whether or not patients who have these antibodies are still at risk of reinfection with Covid-19. At this point, I think we have to assume that they could be at risk of reinfection."
"We don't know even if the antibodies are protective, what degree of protection they provide, so it could be complete, it could be partial, or how long the antibodies last," Hayden added, "We know that antibody responses wane over time."
The society is "recommending that people with antibodies not change their behavior in any way, continue social distancing etc. And we think that this is a really important point to emphasize because we're concerned that if this could be present, that these antibodies could be misinterpreted, people could put themselves at unnecessary risk," Hayden said.
WHO says no evidence shows that having coronavirus prevents a second infection | CNN
The World Health Organization is warning that people who have had Covid-19 are not necessarily immune by the presence of antibodies from getting the virus again.
XponentialChaos
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I'm not a doctor and I haven't spoken to any doctors. I've just read articles that say the exact opposite of what your doctor supposedly told you.
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FYI
Be careful!
YOU MIGHT NOT BE IMMUNE!
The World Health Organization is warning that people who have had Covid-19 are not necessarily immune by the presence of antibodies from getting the virus again.
"There is no evidence yet that people who have had Covid-19 will not get a second infection," WHO said in a scientific brief published Friday.
What is herd immunity and why some think it could end the coronavirus pandemic
It cautions against governments that are considering issuing so-called "immunity passports" to people who have had Covid-19, assuming they are safe to resume normal life.
"At this point in the pandemic, there is not enough evidence about the effectiveness of antibody-mediated immunity to guarantee the accuracy of an 'immunity passport' or 'risk-free certificate,' " WHO said.
Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove from WHO has previously said it's not known whether people who have been exposed to the virus become completely immune. The new WHO brief underscores that stance, and jibes with other scientific statements about the idea of developing immunity.
During a Friday briefing, the Infectious Diseases Society of America warned that not enough is known about antibody testing to assume immunity.
Dr. Mary Hayden, spokesperson for IDSA and chief of the Division of Infectious Diseases at Rush University Medical Center, said, "We do not know whether or not patients who have these antibodies are still at risk of reinfection with Covid-19. At this point, I think we have to assume that they could be at risk of reinfection."
"We don't know even if the antibodies are protective, what degree of protection they provide, so it could be complete, it could be partial, or how long the antibodies last," Hayden added, "We know that antibody responses wane over time."
The society is "recommending that people with antibodies not change their behavior in any way, continue social distancing etc. And we think that this is a really important point to emphasize because we're concerned that if this could be present, that these antibodies could be misinterpreted, people could put themselves at unnecessary risk," Hayden said.
WHO says no evidence shows that having coronavirus prevents a second infection | CNN
The World Health Organization is warning that people who have had Covid-19 are not necessarily immune by the presence of antibodies from getting the virus again.
Then what Is the point of the vaccine? LOL that’s how it works. Giving a little to build immunity.
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I think we can open a lot immediately. It may be a while before we see stadiums, festivals and things like that opened.
We were told we needed hospitals, ventilators, etc and went on models that were simply wrong. We shut down on that, not on trying to stop this. We can't and won't. Slow it, yes, stop it, no.
We've ramped up our hospitals, popped up field hospitals all over the pkace that largely sit empty due to just how wrong these models were, and are now exporting ventilators to other countries.
Still need to get up to speed on some things, but I think we lift the stay at homes now, as it isn't necessary and maybe never was, and start opening businesses. See how that goes with the goal of having most things open again in June/July.
Isolate the at risk and move forward as quickly as as possible. It's going to come back, whether we do this now or later and in fact the spikes will be more extreme the longer we stay in lockdown mode.
We were told we needed hospitals, ventilators, etc and went on models that were simply wrong. We shut down on that, not on trying to stop this. We can't and won't. Slow it, yes, stop it, no.
We've ramped up our hospitals, popped up field hospitals all over the pkace that largely sit empty due to just how wrong these models were, and are now exporting ventilators to other countries.
Still need to get up to speed on some things, but I think we lift the stay at homes now, as it isn't necessary and maybe never was, and start opening businesses. See how that goes with the goal of having most things open again in June/July.
Isolate the at risk and move forward as quickly as as possible. It's going to come back, whether we do this now or later and in fact the spikes will be more extreme the longer we stay in lockdown mode.
Billy_Bob
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It works and it works well.
"Significance
COVID-19 is currently a big threat to global health. However, no specific antiviral agents are available for its treatment. In this work, we explore the feasibility of convalescent plasma (CP) transfusion to rescue severe patients. The results from 10 severe adult cases showed that one dose (200 mL) of CP was well tolerated and could significantly increase or maintain the neutralizing antibodies at a high level, leading to disappearance of viremia in 7 d. Meanwhile, clinical symptoms and paraclinical criteria rapidly improved within 3 d. Radiological examination showed varying degrees of absorption of lung lesions within 7 d. These results indicate that CP can serve as a promising rescue option for severe COVID-19, while the randomized trial is warranted.
Abstract
Currently, there are no approved specific antiviral agents for novel coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). In this study, 10 severe patients confirmed by real-time viral RNA test were enrolled prospectively. One dose of 200 mL of convalescent plasma (CP) derived from recently recovered donors with the neutralizing antibody titers above 1:640 was transfused to the patients as an addition to maximal supportive care and antiviral agents. The primary endpoint was the safety of CP transfusion. The second endpoints were the improvement of clinical symptoms and laboratory parameters within 3 d after CP transfusion. The median time from onset of illness to CP transfusion was 16.5 d. After CP transfusion, the level of neutralizing antibody increased rapidly up to 1:640 in five cases, while that of the other four cases maintained at a high level (1:640). The clinical symptoms were significantly improved along with increase of oxyhemoglobin saturation within 3 d. Several parameters tended to improve as compared to pretransfusion, including increased lymphocyte counts (0.65 × 109/L vs. 0.76 × 109/L) and decreased C-reactive protein (55.98 mg/L vs. 18.13 mg/L). Radiological examinations showed varying degrees of absorption of lung lesions within 7 d. The viral load was undetectable after transfusion in seven patients who had previous viremia. No severe adverse effects were observed. This study showed CP therapy was well tolerated and could potentially improve the clinical outcomes through neutralizing viremia in severe COVID-19 cases. The optimal dose and time point, as well as the clinical benefit of CP therapy, needs further investigation in larger well-controlled trials."
Effectiveness of convalescent plasma therapy in severe COVID-19 patients
COVID-19 is currently a big threat to global health. However, no specific antiviral agents are available for its treatment. In this work, we explore the feasibility of convalescent plasma (CP) transfusion to rescue severe patients. The results from 10 severe adult cases showed that one dose (200...
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So you trust them and I ll trust my doctor. And you lie. Not the opposite. They say they aren’t sure. How do you explain this?
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