Do we live in a Multiverse?

[citygator]

Well, I've spent 60 years studying theoretical physics and applied physics so I won't waste my time continuing to argue with you on semantics. Nothing can "continue" or change without time, simple as that. You are either obtuse or purposefully just acting that way.

News flash Mr Toobfreak. This is a message board built for people to debate and exchange ideas so dont get so worked up.

I studied history and finance in my degrees so I wont pretend to be an "expert" but you are not doing a good job so far using your knowledge to convince me that time is a thing you travel through (or on, or in) and not a measure of the rate of change.

Everything exists in the now. All time does is measure the number of somethings that occurred since an event happened - like how many earth revolutions happened since the Gators put a good football team on the field. Or how many more will occur before they put another one on the field.

 

[DennisPTate]

So, time is an actual “thing” that exists? And not a concept of hours, days, years humans devised to order lives?

I’m not being argumentative, you clearly know more about it. But it just seems like the “time” citygator is talking about is a man-made measuring system and the “time” you’re talking about is something completely different.

If we human beings have some sort of soul or spirit that can somehow perceive five dimensional space -time, and perhaps six dimensional space -time, and perhaps even seven dimensional space - time, then we would tend to come back into four dimensional space - time with a very different view of our place in the universe or multiverse?

The 1943 near death experience of Dr. George Ritchie comes to mind.

e. His Observations of the Temple of Wisdom​

The following is the testimony of George Ritchie’s Temple of Wisdom and Heavenly City Experience. They then travel to a completely different realm where some kind of enormous university is located. Spirits dressed as monks busily and happily engaged in some form of artistic behavior or research. An enormous library exists here where all the important books of the universe are assembled. Ritchie asks Jesus if this is heaven. These are the spirits of people who grew beyond selfish desires while on Earth; but, like the spirits in hell, these spirits cannot see Jesus either.

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[toobfreak]

So, time is an actual “thing” that exists?

Sure, just as depth, width and height all exist. These are not just your perception either. We merely invented terms like hours, months, and so on to break time up into organized units of equal size we can relate to.

Think of space like a pet carrier to hold your favorite little rabbit in. The rabbit is matter in space, and the box space is made up of width, height, depth and time. Time is like the "lumineferous ether" that Maxwell hunted for as the medium by which light travels. Without time, space cannot work or be.

We labeled the divisions to be useful to our needs, but we do not create the actual time itself. Time is. It stands alone just as space does, whether we see it or not.

 

[toobfreak]

Everything exists in the now.

When is now? Where is now? What is now? Can you show me now? What makes you think the now for you is the same at all as it was for someone across the universe 4 billion years ago?

 

[braalian]

Sure, just as depth, width and height all exist. These are not just your perception either. We merely invented terms like hours, months, and so on to break time up into organized units of equal size we can relate to.

Think of space like a pet carrier to hold your favorite little rabbit in. The rabbit is matter in space, and the box space is made up of width, height, depth and time. Time is like the "lumineferous ether" that Maxwell hunted for as the medium by which light travels. Without time, space cannot work or be.

We labeled the divisions to be useful to our needs, but we do not create the actual time itself. Time is. It stands alone just as space does, whether we see it or not.

Ok, I’ll take your word for it, even though it seems counterintuitive

 

[Nobody911]

This is about Dannion Brinkley, near-death experiences (NDEs), astral bodies, and beings from four or higher dimensions. NDEs often involve phenomena that some interpret as interactions with astral bodies or the concept of an astral plane. The concept of the multiverse is often related to higher dimensions, including four-dimensional (4-D) spaces and beyond.

I'm particularly interested in exploring the similarities between the astral bodies and four-dimensional beings.

Here are some similarities between the capabilities of astral bodies and 4-dimensional (4-D) beings while the latter is present on Earth:

1. Non-Physical Presence: Both astral bodies and 4-D beings can exist independently of physical form, allowing for experiences beyond the constraints of the physical world.
2. Increased Perception: Both can perceive reality in ways that go beyond the three dimensions, allowing for insights into different layers of existence and consciousness.
3. Interdimensional Travel: Astral projection allows travel to various realms, while 4-D beings can navigate through dimensions, potentially accessing alternate realities or timelines.
4. Telepathic Communication: Both entities may communicate without the need for verbal language, utilizing thoughts, emotions, or energy exchanges.
5. Manipulation of Energy: They can influence their surroundings or the energy fields of other beings, whether for healing, creating, or altering perceptions.
6. Timelessness: Both exist outside conventional time constraints, experiencing time fluidly rather than linearly.
7. Consciousness Expansion: Both can engage in heightened states of awareness, exploring deeper aspects of consciousness and universal truths.
8. Immortality: They can be perceived as eternal, transcending physical life and death, existing within a continuum of existence.

While the nuances of these capabilities can vary, the core similarities highlight the extraordinary potential beyond typical human experiences.

Any prediction can change because the future, unlike the past, can be completely altered in the present.

Science has its limitations. It relies on observable and measurable phenomena. Questions about subjective experiences, morality, or the supernatural often lie beyond its reach. That is one reason why people should study a variety of subjects in schools and colleges.

 

[toobfreak]

Ok, I’ll take your word for it, even though it seems counterintuitive

Really? I'm not sure why. It seems perfectly sensible to me. Time is not really the problem here, it is just how you have been raised to conceptualize it, because time as a dimension unfurls itself tangentially from the other three dimensions in a way only evident via time, just as space is only self-evident via other space; much like how gravity is a field whose effect only appears to act much like a bosonic force carrier like a photon or a gluon, probably because time unfurls a property of matter to us in a way totally different and more subtle than mere gross space itself.

Keep in mind the many thought experiments conceived by Einstein which have all been experimentally proven many times where two physical synchronous clocks are compared both before and after one of them has been taken across space for a very long distance close to the speed of light.

Arrived back home, the two clocks no longer agree because each has taken a very different pathway across spacetime. This is not some imagined construct, this is a permanent, predictable, physical and forensic footprint of how space and time are all intertwined as one.

If time is imagined, then so is space.

 

[DennisPTate]

So, time is an actual “thing” that exists? And not a concept of hours, days, years humans devised to order lives?

I’m not being argumentative, you clearly know more about it. But it just seems like the “time” citygator is talking about is a man-made measuring system and the “time” you’re talking about is something completely different.

My belief is that our Creator Who is composed of Energy from Quantum Vacuum invented "Time" when the ancestors of we humans fell. That seems to be what was shown to near death experiencer Robert Marshall during his forty four hours of being lectured by the Being of Light of NDE fame.

In a five dimensional universe time is very different.

Really? I'm not sure why. It seems perfectly sensible to me. Time is not really the problem here, it is just how you have been raised to conceptualize it, because time as a dimension unfurls itself tangentially from the other three dimensions in a way only evident via time, just as space is only self-evident via other space; much like how gravity is a field whose effect only appears to act much like a bosonic force carrier like a photon or a gluon, probably because time unfurls a property of matter to us in a way totally different and more subtle than mere gross space itself.

Keep in mind the many thought experiments conceived by Einstein which have all been experimentally proven many times where two physical synchronous clocks are compared both before and after one of them has been taken across space for a very long distance close to the speed of light.

Arrived back home, the two clocks no longer agree because each has taken a very different pathway across spacetime. This is not some imagined construct, this is a permanent, predictable, physical and forensic footprint of how space and time are all intertwined as one.

If time is imagined, then so is space.

One particular near death experiencer, way back in 1943, was shown four higher energetic invisible dimensions and my understanding is that time would be perceived very differently in all of them.

[Dr. George Ritchie[ :

b. His Guided Tour of the Earthbound Realm with Jesus​

The following is the testimony of George Ritchie’s tour of the Earthbound Realm: Then Jesus begins to take Ritchie on a journey through various realms of the afterlife. They fly toward a large city on Earth where they notice a group of assembly-line workers at work. They witnesses the spirit of a woman trying desperately to grab a cigarette from the workers who were oblivious to her presence. This woman had died severely addicted to cigarettes and was now cut off from the one thing she desperately desired most.

Ritchie realizes how the spirits in these realms immediately know the thoughts of other spirits around them. This is the reason they tend to group together with other spirits. It is too threatening to be around others who knew and disagreed with their thoughts.

Jesus leads Ritchie to a house somewhere on Earth where he is shown the spirit of a young man following his living family members around and begging them for forgiveness. But the family members are completely unaware of his presence. Jesus tells Ritchie the young man committed suicide and is “chained to every consequence of his act.”

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f. His Vision of the Heavenly City​

Ritchie is then taken into outer space toward a distant city made of brilliant light – similar in description to the heavenly city in the Book of Revelation (see also Revelation 21:10-27.) This is the place where people go who have become like Jesus while on Earth – a place where love is the dominant focus of life. This is heaven he realizes; but he is not allowed to enter it. Instead, Jesus shows him the future of Earth and is told to return to his physical body. At this point, Ritchie is revived from death.

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