Renewed Support For Muslim Registry Called 'Abhorrent'

[Coyote]

Got a better plan for weeding out the terrorists, other than just allowing them into the country and blowing people up or gunning them down at will?

The plan we have now seems to be working pretty well. Nothing is perfect, and neither will a registry. If it were effective, it wouldn't have expired in 2011.

Works better to cut off ALL immigration here. There aren't enough jobs as is and if there are skilled jobs that need filled then retrain or reeducate AMERICANS do them.

Yeah but there jobs Americans wont do, why won they do them?

Because people are paid to sit in their ass.

I think it's more complicated the that. For instance, when I was listening to a program on potential changes to the visa program on our economy, Silicon Valley was brought up. Silcon Valley (and, similar tech areas across the state) bring in a significant number of immigrants to work in the high tech industry. They bring in energy, creativity, and talent, and I'm thinking especially for start ups there. And there is a real fear that removing that could significantly impact the sector. In Market Place on NPR it was described as one of the most vibrant and productive contributors to our economy - an economical "bright spot".

So, the question needs to be asked - why aren't we finding that talent among the US workforce? Saying Americans "won't do it" doesn't cut it - these are well paying jobs. Forcing these companies to take sub-par workers isn't the answer. The other thing that hiring immigrants does is it brings in an outside perspective to the mix, and that is valuable in a sector that is driven by unconventional thinking, management, etc. Stopping all immigration would have far reaching impacts unless we can simultaneously do something about our own workforce in order to meet those needs.

 

[xyz]

Got a better plan for weeding out the terrorists, other than just allowing them into the country and blowing people up or gunning them down at will?

Trump doesn't have a plan and most of his people think Salafists are the same as moderate Sunnis or Shiites.

Not only that, he has business interests with Saudi Arabia, besides more or less saying he hates all Muslims.

It's not a policy, it's idiocy.

 

[Coyote]

We already do.

OK...

We obviously need to do a better fuckin job then.

2001.09.11 USA New York, NY 2752 251 Islamic hijackers steer two planes packed with fuel and passengers into the World Trade Center, killing hundreds on impact and eventually killing thousands when the towers collapsed. At least 200 are seriously injured.
2001.09.11 USA Washington, DC 184 53 Nearly 200 people are killed when Islamic hijackers steer a plane full of people into the Pentagon.
2001.09.11 USA Shanksville, PA 40 0 Forty passengers are killed after Islamic radicals hijack the plane in an attempt to steer it into the U.S. Capitol building.
2002.03.19 USA Tuscon, AZ 1 0 A 60-year-old man is gunned down by Muslim snipers on a golf course.
2002.05.27 USA Denton, TX 1 0 Muslim snipers kill a man as he works in his yard.
2002.07.04 USA Los Angeles, CA 2 0 Muslim man pulls out a gun at the counter of an Israeli airline and kills two people.
2002.09.21 USA Atlanta, GA 1 0 Muslim terrorists gun down an employee at a liquor store.
2002.09.21 USA Montgomery, AL 1 1 Muslim snipers shoot two women, killing one.
2002.09.23 USA Baton Rouge, LA 1 0 A Korean mother is shot in the back by Muslim snipers.
2002.10.02 USA Wheaton, MD 1 0 Muslim snipers gun down a program analyst in a store parking lot.
2002.10.03 USA Montgomery County, MD 5 0 Muslim snipers kill three men and two women in separate attacks over a 15-hour period.
2002.10.09 USA Manassas, VA 1 1 A man is killed by Muslim snipers while pumping gas two days after a 13-year-old is wounded by the same team.
2002.10.11 USA Fredericksburg, VA 1 0 Another man is killed by Muslim snipers while pumping gas.
2002.10.14 USA Arlington, VA 1 0 A woman is killed by Muslim snipers in a Home Depot parking lot.
2002.10.22 USA Aspen Hill, MD 1 0 A bus driver is killed by Muslim snipers.
2003.08.06 USA Houston, TX 1 0 After undergoing a 'religious revival', a Saudi college student slashes the throat of a Jewish student with a 4" butterfly knife, nearly decapitating the young man.
2004.04.15 USA Scottsville, NY 1 2 In an honor killing, a Muslim father kills his wife and attacks his two daughters with a knife and hammer because he feared that they had been sexually molested.
2006.06.16 USA Baltimore, MD 1 0 A 62-year-old Jewish moviegoer is shot to death by a Muslim medical student in an unprovoked terror attack.
2006.06.25 USA Denver, CO 1 5 Saying that it was 'Allah's choice', a Muslim shoots four of his co-workers and a police officer.
2006.07.28 USA Seattle, WA 1 5 An 'angry' Muslim-American uses a young girl as hostage to enter a local Jewish center, where he shoots six women, one of whom dies.
2008.01.01 USA Irving, TX 2 0 A Muslim immigrant shoots his two daughters to death on concerns about their 'Western' lifestyle.
2008.07.06 USA Jonesboro, GA 1 0 A devout Muslim strangles his 25-year-old daughter in an honor killing.
2009.02.12 USA Buffalo, NY 1 0 The founder of a Muslim TV station beheads his wife in the hallway for seeking a divorce.
2009.04.12 USA Phoenix, AZ 2 0 A man shoots his brother-in-law and another man to death after finding out that they visited a strip club, in contradiction to Islamic values.
2009.06.01 USA Little Rock, AR 1 1 A Muslim shoots a local soldier to death inside a recruiting center explicitly in the name of Allah.
2009.11.02 USA Glendale, AZ 1 1 A woman dies from injuries suffered when her father runs her down with a car for being too 'Westernized.' (10-20-09)
2009.11.05 USA Ft. Hood, TX 13 31 A Muslim psychiatrist guns down thirteen unarmed soldiers while yelling praises to Allah.
2009.12.04 USA Binghamton, NY 1 0 A non-Muslim Islamic studies professor is stabbed to death by a Muslim grad student in revenge for 'persecuted' Muslims.
2010.04.14 USA Marquette Park, IL 5 2 After quarrelling with his wife over Islamic dress, a Muslim convert shoots his family members to 'take them back to Allah' and out of the 'world of sinners'.
2011.04.30 USA Warren, MI 1 0 A 20-year-old woman is shot in the head by her stepfather for not adhering to Islamic practices.
2011.09.11 USA Waltham, MA 3 0 Three Jewish men have their throats slashed by Muslim terrorists.
2012.01.15 USA Houston, TX 1 0 A 30-year-old Christian convert is shot to death by a devout Muslim for helping to convert his daughter.
2012.11.12 USA Houston, TX 1 0 A 28-year-old American man is shot to death by a conservative Muslim over an alleged role in converting a woman to Christianity.
2013.02.07 USA Buena Vista, NJ 2 0 A Muslim targets and beheads two Christian Coptic immigrants.
2013.03.24 USA Ashtabula, OH 1 0 A Muslim convert walks into a church service with a Quran and guns down his Christian father while praising Allah.
2013.04.15 USA Boston, MA 3 264 Foreign-born Muslims describing themselves as 'very religious' detonate two bombs packed with ball bearings at the Boston Marathon, killing three people and causing several more to lose limbs.
2013.04.19 USA Boston, MA 1 1 Jihadists gun down a university police officer sitting in his car.
2013.08.04 USA Richmond, CA 1 0 A convert "on a mission from Allah" stabs a store clerk to death.
2014.03.06 USA Port Bolivar, TX 2 0 A Muslim man shoots his lesbian daughter and her lover to death and leaves a copy of the Quran open to a page condemning homosexuality.
2014.04.27 USA Skyway, WA 1 0 A 30-year-old man is murdered by a Muslim fanatic.
2014.06.01 USA Seattle, WA 2 0 Two homosexuals are murdered by an Islamic extremist.
2014.06.25 USA West Orange, NJ 1 0 A 19-year-old college student is shot to death 'in revenge' for Muslim deaths overseas.
2014.09.25 USA Moore, OK 1 1 A Sharia advocate beheads a woman after calling for Islamic terror and posting an Islamist beheading photo.
2014.12.18 USA Morganton, NC 1 0 A 74-year-old man is shot several times in the head by a 'radicalized' ISIS supporter.
2015.07.16 USA Chattanooga, TN 5 2 A 'devout Muslim' stages a suicide attack on a recruiting center at a strip mall and a naval center which leaves five dead.
2015.12.02 USA San Bernardino, CA 14 17 A 'very religious' Muslim shoots up a Christmas party with his wife, leaving fourteen dead.
2016.06.13 USA Orlando, FL 49 53 An Islamic extremist massacres forty-nine people at a gay nightclub.

That's it in 16 years? Now, a good many of those are just plain crimes where muslims happened to be involved (wonder how many just plain crimes were perpetrated by non Muslims...hmmm). Now compare that to all the violent crimes that involved killing or terrorism in this country over the last decade and a half.

Just for example: 2013.02.07 USA Buena Vista, NJ 2 0 A Muslim targets and beheads two Christian Coptic immigrants

That particular case I recall because it was in the news. Had nothing to do with religion, but I think drug dealing.

 

[ZZ PUPPS]

If it's "legal" to register gun owners then it follows that it's also "legal" to register other groups. You can't have it both ways, rats.

 

[Claudette]

Don't let any Muslims in period. End of problem.

It's not the end of the problem, since most of them are "homegrown" Americans. Being radicalized on the internet and in radical circles in their communities. The terrorists are already here; they're just directionless young men ripe for radicalization. Let's make sure to make them feel even more hostile toward white America by taking it out en masse against the entire Muslim community. Do you understand this?

Its the end of any more coming in.

Oh believe me. I wish we could take it out on the entire Muslim community. Muslims who never assimilate into any society they land in. The millions of Muslims who do nothing about the killers among them.

You might want to excuse those bastards but I never will.

 

[Pete7469]

It's not the end of the problem, since most of them are "homegrown" Americans. Being radicalized on the internet and in radical circles in their communities. The terrorists are already here; they're just directionless young men ripe for radicalization. Let's make sure to make them feel even more hostile toward white America by taking it out en masse against the entire Muslim community. Do you understand this?

I don't give a fruit fly's fuck how those assholes feel...

Fuck them, fuck their cult, and fuck the bed wetters who sympathize with them.

Indeed, we have "homegrown" problems....

Why would the US have such fertile soil within the young community if they hadn't been taught since Pre-K that the US was an illegitimate racist hell hole, still rich off the blood of slavery and consumed with hatred for anyone who isn't a white Christian male?

It wasn't the people who don't want more jihadist attacks, it was liberal "educators" and public figures who seem to like using some of these attacks to promote an anti- 2A agenda.

So if we have too root them all out and kill them I don't care. The blood is ultimately on the hands of those who took the minds of American youth and warped them into everything from jihadists in waiting, occuturds trashing downtown areas, and sniveling bed wetters who have to be given play doh in college to cope with an election result.

 

[Pete7469]

That's it in 16 years? Now, a good many of those are just plain crimes where muslims happened to be involved (wonder how many just plain crimes were perpetrated by non Muslims...hmmm). Now compare that to all the violent crimes that involved killing or terrorism in this country over the last decade and a half.

Just for example: 2013.02.07 USA Buena Vista, NJ 2 0 A Muslim targets and beheads two Christian Coptic immigrants

That particular case I recall because it was in the news. Had nothing to do with religion, but I think drug dealing.

Let me know the next time a Christian from egypt beheads anyone in the US, for any reason.

That's not an ordinary "drug hit" and it's not as if libturd "journalists" don't alter facts to present a certain narrative.

 

[Preacher]

Got a better plan for weeding out the terrorists, other than just allowing them into the country and blowing people up or gunning them down at will?

The plan we have now seems to be working pretty well. Nothing is perfect, and neither will a registry. If it were effective, it wouldn't have expired in 2011.

Works better to cut off ALL immigration here. There aren't enough jobs as is and if there are skilled jobs that need filled then retrain or reeducate AMERICANS do them.

Yeah but there jobs Americans wont do, why won they do them?

Because people are paid to sit in their ass.

Shit wages. Simple as that. Its a dual attack. IF they can work then cut off their welfare and they will work....at same time you HAVE to make sure these jobs are paying enough that they won't need welfare on top of working.

 

[buckeye45_73]

If it's "legal" to register gun owners then it follows that it's also "legal" to register other groups. You can't have it both ways, rats.

Nope, second amendment shall not be infringed.
Muslims need to stop blowing people up. Maybe your ok with the Orlando and California incidents, we are not.

 

[ZZ PUPPS]

If it's "legal" to register gun owners then it follows that it's also "legal" to register other groups. You can't have it both ways, rats.

Nope, second amendment shall not be infringed.
Muslims need to stop blowing people up. Maybe your ok with the Orlando and California incidents, we are not.

Perhaps you misread Pupps' post. Pupps is a staunch defender of the second amendment - in addition to being a qualified marksman. Rats argue that a list based upon religion is somehow illegal. It is no more illegal than one based upon gun ownership. Both are constitutionally guaranteed rights.

 

[2aguy]

"Support" ranges from the relatively benign idea of bringing back Bush's National Security Entry-Exit Registration system, which expired in 2011 to something far more disturbing - the spector of internment camps and faith-based citizen registries. I honestly never thought people would be so scared they'd be willing to visit these ideas. You're far more likely to be a victim of a drunk driver, shooting accident or lightening strike than a victim of a terrorist attack on US soil.

But when people are scared, it's not very rational and it's much easier to find an easy scapegoat - vulnerable minorities who are still viewed as "not us" and therefore - it's easier to justify stripping them of their rights. I wonder, how advocates of this would feel if it was THEIR family, in the crosshairs of this "exploration of ideas"?

It's easy to understand the fear - ISIS is unquestionably brutal, Islamic extremism is sowing chaos, and most people in western cultures don't really understand Islam as a religious faith. When you have terrorists who can hide among a population like cancer cells biding their time - that fear, though misplaced in terms of real risk - is very very understandable.

On the other hand, it's also very easy to understand the fear of innocent American citizens who could find themselves being stripped of rights, treated differently than other Americans, and being in the cross-hairs of legislation that targets them soley because of their faith in a nation where faith is one of our foundational rights.

So how do you deal with something like this? How much FREEDOM and RIGHTS are you willing to relinquish for SECURITY? That's the real equation here - whether it's in issues of privacy and data (forcing companies to give access to private information) or issues of what to do with non-criminal American citizens who fall into a "suspect category". The spector of the McCarthy era returning suddenly seems very real.



Renewed Support For Muslim Registry Called 'Abhorrent'

Yeah...you mean when an immigrant from another country comes into the country...we take down their name and address......where they are going to live...so like...we can send them information, make sure they are fulfilling the legal requirements to stay here...

Do you asswipes mean that kind of registry...? You guys are such fucking morons.....

 

[2aguy]

The media is lying......big surprise that the same media who openly and actively helped and supported hilary clinton against bernie sanders and Donald Trump are going to actively mischaracterize every single action Trump takes..........in order to create hate and mistrust .....wow...big surprise...right?

 

[Coyote]

"Support" ranges from the relatively benign idea of bringing back Bush's National Security Entry-Exit Registration system, which expired in 2011 to something far more disturbing - the spector of internment camps and faith-based citizen registries. I honestly never thought people would be so scared they'd be willing to visit these ideas. You're far more likely to be a victim of a drunk driver, shooting accident or lightening strike than a victim of a terrorist attack on US soil.

But when people are scared, it's not very rational and it's much easier to find an easy scapegoat - vulnerable minorities who are still viewed as "not us" and therefore - it's easier to justify stripping them of their rights. I wonder, how advocates of this would feel if it was THEIR family, in the crosshairs of this "exploration of ideas"?

It's easy to understand the fear - ISIS is unquestionably brutal, Islamic extremism is sowing chaos, and most people in western cultures don't really understand Islam as a religious faith. When you have terrorists who can hide among a population like cancer cells biding their time - that fear, though misplaced in terms of real risk - is very very understandable.

On the other hand, it's also very easy to understand the fear of innocent American citizens who could find themselves being stripped of rights, treated differently than other Americans, and being in the cross-hairs of legislation that targets them soley because of their faith in a nation where faith is one of our foundational rights.

So how do you deal with something like this? How much FREEDOM and RIGHTS are you willing to relinquish for SECURITY? That's the real equation here - whether it's in issues of privacy and data (forcing companies to give access to private information) or issues of what to do with non-criminal American citizens who fall into a "suspect category". The spector of the McCarthy era returning suddenly seems very real.



Renewed Support For Muslim Registry Called 'Abhorrent'

Yeah...you mean when an immigrant from another country comes into the country...we take down their name and address......where they are going to live...so like...we can send them information, make sure they are fulfilling the legal requirements to stay here...

Do you asswipes mean that kind of registry...? You guys are such fucking morons.....

If you had bothered to read the OP, you would realize that what is being considered and called for is poorly defined - across a range of ideas. Now wipe your ass.

 

[Coyote]

If it's "legal" to register gun owners then it follows that it's also "legal" to register other groups. You can't have it both ways, rats.

But there is no national gun registry.

 

[Meathead]

"Support" ranges from the relatively benign idea of bringing back Bush's National Security Entry-Exit Registration system, which expired in 2011 to something far more disturbing - the spector of internment camps and faith-based citizen registries. I honestly never thought people would be so scared they'd be willing to visit these ideas. You're far more likely to be a victim of a drunk driver, shooting accident or lightening strike than a victim of a terrorist attack on US soil.

But when people are scared, it's not very rational and it's much easier to find an easy scapegoat - vulnerable minorities who are still viewed as "not us" and therefore - it's easier to justify stripping them of their rights. I wonder, how advocates of this would feel if it was THEIR family, in the crosshairs of this "exploration of ideas"?

It's easy to understand the fear - ISIS is unquestionably brutal, Islamic extremism is sowing chaos, and most people in western cultures don't really understand Islam as a religious faith. When you have terrorists who can hide among a population like cancer cells biding their time - that fear, though misplaced in terms of real risk - is very very understandable.

On the other hand, it's also very easy to understand the fear of innocent American citizens who could find themselves being stripped of rights, treated differently than other Americans, and being in the cross-hairs of legislation that targets them soley because of their faith in a nation where faith is one of our foundational rights.

So how do you deal with something like this? How much FREEDOM and RIGHTS are you willing to relinquish for SECURITY? That's the real equation here - whether it's in issues of privacy and data (forcing companies to give access to private information) or issues of what to do with non-criminal American citizens who fall into a "suspect category". The spector of the McCarthy era returning suddenly seems very real.



Renewed Support For Muslim Registry Called 'Abhorrent'

It's pretty unimpressive when those same people called other Americans deplorable.

 

[irosie91]

We shouldn't register citizens.
We shouldn't let in refugees either. If someone comes from a place where they cant be vetted, then they shouldn't be here.
Better to be safe than sorry.

Agree there on the registry. That's way too left wing..

However if an investigation reveals connections to islamic radical endeavors we should be throwing them out or keeping them under surveillance.

We already do.

we do? can you cite some references?

References to what? The NSA? DHS? The present system works. What do you think needs to change?

I seem to remember a Pakistani couple that "got in" and shot up a whole bunch of people in ----I believe----California. Also seem to remember a few other incidents------but for now the Pakistani thing is enough for me-----Pakistanis should be VERY carefully examined ----the system did not work

 

[irosie91]

If it's "legal" to register gun owners then it follows that it's also "legal" to register other groups. You can't have it both ways, rats.

But there is no national gun registry.

guns don't commit murder. ------HOWEVER ---I would support a national gun registry------but such a registry flies in the face of "AMERICAN CULTURE"-

 

[bodecea]

If libturds call something "abhorrent", you can expect it to be an effective policy.

Jihadist assholes have no business in a free society. Their agenda is to destroy it. If 1 in 100 mooselimbs is a jihadist asshole, (it's a lot higher a ratio) that's way too fuckin many when you're talking about millions in this country alone.

Being a free society doesn't mean we have to hang ourselves on principles not shared by people who want to enter.

Murdering people is abhorrent. I guess you now believe that is an effective policy.

 

[bodecea]

It's not the end of the problem, since most of them are "homegrown" Americans. Being radicalized on the internet and in radical circles in their communities. The terrorists are already here; they're just directionless young men ripe for radicalization. Let's make sure to make them feel even more hostile toward white America by taking it out en masse against the entire Muslim community. Do you understand this?

I don't give a fruit fly's fuck how those assholes feel...

Fuck them, fuck their cult, and fuck the bed wetters who sympathize with them.

Indeed, we have "homegrown" problems....

Why would the US have such fertile soil within the young community if they hadn't been taught since Pre-K that the US was an illegitimate racist hell hole, still rich off the blood of slavery and consumed with hatred for anyone who isn't a white Christian male?

It wasn't the people who don't want more jihadist attacks, it was liberal "educators" and public figures who seem to like using some of these attacks to promote an anti- 2A agenda.

So if we have too root them all out and kill them I don't care. The blood is ultimately on the hands of those who took the minds of American youth and warped them into everything from jihadists in waiting, occuturds trashing downtown areas, and sniveling bed wetters who have to be given play doh in college to cope with an election result.

Fun...shall we feel the same way about all Baptists because of the Westboro Baptist Church?

 

[irosie91]

It's not the end of the problem, since most of them are "homegrown" Americans. Being radicalized on the internet and in radical circles in their communities. The terrorists are already here; they're just directionless young men ripe for radicalization. Let's make sure to make them feel even more hostile toward white America by taking it out en masse against the entire Muslim community. Do you understand this?

I don't give a fruit fly's fuck how those assholes feel...

Fuck them, fuck their cult, and fuck the bed wetters who sympathize with them.

Indeed, we have "homegrown" problems....

Why would the US have such fertile soil within the young community if they hadn't been taught since Pre-K that the US was an illegitimate racist hell hole, still rich off the blood of slavery and consumed with hatred for anyone who isn't a white Christian male?

It wasn't the people who don't want more jihadist attacks, it was liberal "educators" and public figures who seem to like using some of these attacks to promote an anti- 2A agenda.

So if we have too root them all out and kill them I don't care. The blood is ultimately on the hands of those who took the minds of American youth and warped them into everything from jihadists in waiting, occuturds trashing downtown areas, and sniveling bed wetters who have to be given play doh in college to cope with an election result.

Fun...shall we feel the same way about all Baptists because of the Westboro Baptist Church?

silly analogy-------Shariah is Islamic law-----the more islam ---the more shariah-------the westboro Baptist church is an
aberration