candycorn
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Chirp....chirp....chirp...
I guess I could declare my condo as being a new country as well???
Remembering Robert E. Lee: American Patriot and Southern Hero
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Chirp....chirp....chirp...
I guess I could declare my condo as being a new country as well???
TakeAStepBack
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I guess you failed civics big time.
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They didn't, you dumbass.
bripat9643
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Why shouldn't you be able to? I think everyone should be able to secede from whatever level of government they wish to secede from. The notion that you owe fealty to some politicians simply because you were born in a certain location is ridiculous.
bripat9643
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And he did say that..............but he lost. Like the South did.
So might makes right. Is that what you're saying?
bripat9643
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Yes and yes.
paperview
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You can do that. Leave the ******* country already, you White Supremacist dirtbag.
candycorn
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And if your 15 year old daughter wanted to succeed from the family....why should she ow some "fealty" to you simply because you happened to contribute something to her creation?
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It's nearly impossible to have lower character than Lee.
He fought against freedom and for slavery.
He also raped and beat human beings he 'owned.'
reconmark
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You're wrong about Lee.Robert E. Lee was a great general - keeping the Federals at-bay for nearly three years, after he assumed command of the main Confederate army in the East.
He suffered a couple of defeats, and screwed the pooch at Gettysburg, but won more than he lost, kept his casualties well below those of his Union counterparts in most of his battles, gave the Lincoln Administration a very rough time and many scares, for years, and caused Old Abe to hire and fire several generals, until they hit on U.S. Grant.
Lee hailed from an ancient and highly influential and honorable family of Old Virginia which had done great service to both the Colonies and to the United States, prior to the Revolution, during the Revolution itself, and since - as evidenced by Lee's own service in Mexico and before and after, right up to the early days of the Civil War itself.
He was soooooo well thought-of up North that the then-Commander of the Union Army (Winfield Scott), the President himself, and other members of the Administration, all wanted Bobby Lee to take command of the Union forces.
That kind of offer doesn't come along every day, nor does it come to those lacking the talent to successfully lead armies of men in such a grim business.
If memory serves correctly, the only reason that Lee resigned his commission in the US Army, and went home, to soon take-up a commission in the new Confederate Army, was because he could not bring himself to fight against his friends and neighbors and family and fellow Virginians.
How many of us ( those of us who have any sense whatsoever of personal honor and family and home loyalty, anyway ) could bring ourselves to fight against our friends and neighbors and family and fellow citizens of our home states, under similar circumstances?
Lee, ever mindful of his family's rich history and contributions to the formation of the United States and its sustenance, was a Union Man through and through, and was greatly vexed when obliged to resign his commission in the US Army, and grieved for the break between Virginia and the Union.
He was mortal and fallible, and made a number of key mistakes, but he was also a genuine military superstar and top performer who got far-reaching results, usually at a far lower cost than his adversaries.
He was an inherited-property slaveholder, but it did not sit easily on his brow, and he famously opined that he would gladly let go of all the slaves in the South to preserve the Union, if only the Union would not move militarily against the Southern States.
There was vastly more good than bad about Robert E. Lee, he was truly an American Patriot who was tragically maneuvered by fate and circumstances and developments to act against his own Union and patriotic sympathies, and he was man enough to give his best to his home State and its sisters, once he was thrust into such a role.
For the most part, he held the respect, admiration, loyalty and affection of his men throughout the Civil War, and afterwards, so long as his men had breath in their bodies - and he held the respect and grudging admiration of most of his enemies as well - a legend in the North as well as the South - and largely rehabilitated in the North after Lee died.
I am a Union Man through and through - always have been - always will be - in the context of the American Civil War.
But, like most of us, I can recognize a Great Man and a Great General when I see one - not a demigod - just a man - but a great one - and believe Robert E. Lee to be just such a man, regardless of what the revisionists and little wankers and race-card baiters and hyper-liberal scum around here would have us swallow without critique or opposition.
Bobby Lee draws the admiration of most Americans - Left, Right and Center - North and South and East and West. It takes a special breed - America-haters and socialist wankers and race-baiters and race-card players and intolerant and ignorant uber-or-hyper-liberals and shit-stirring trolls - to ignore and deny the greatness in such a man.
"...The Union, forever, hurrah, boys, hurrah..."
God bless the United States, and the shades of those who died and suffered in order to preserve the Union and to abolish slavery.
God bless the shades of those who died and suffered in the South, as well, misguided as they were at the time, as a way of reconciling and healing our beloved Republic.
And... Robert E. Lee was, indeed, an American Patriot and Southern Hero - and one of the greatest generals in American military history.
Let me simmer your mush down for you.
I love my wife and children more than anything on Earth. If a madness overtook this society and the outward manifestation was for me to go into the streets with the approval and backing of my government and kill and enslave all the whites in the country, would I go along to get along???...of course not!!! If my wife and children engaged in that vile behavior I would be forced to separate from them.
I have more courage, honor ,integrity and humanity for that.
Obviously Lee didn't.
And your faux analogy is painfully simplistic and entirely lacking in an ability to appreciate multiple viewpoints in this context, almost to the point of childishness.
You are talking about someone born into a society that both morally and legally approved of slavery, and a Federal government that helped to perpetuate that, as well.
Slaves were subhuman... an inferior subspecies... or so said the philosophy and applied religion and applied science and the case law and statute of the times.
And they were pretty much viewed that way on both sides of the Mason-Dixon Line... South AND North.
It's not like slaves... or Black Folk in general... were viewed as important or taken seriously... in America or many other places in the world... until the past century or so.
We are talking about events that unfolded further back than that... 150 years ago and more... and involving people that would, by now, be over 200 years old, in many instances.
People who viewed their White friends and family and neighbors as far more important than the (perceived) subhuman Black Folk who dotted their environment... not exactly a difficult or surprising choice, when you look at it objectively rather than ideologically, with modern eyes and modern filters.
Different times... different world... different perspective... so, within their own universe of perception and understanding... yes, Robert E. Lee was a patriot, and a great soldier.
Your deflection from basic humanity is sad, however typical.
You put up plenty of bull crap excuses why that morally weak and insecure traitor decided to turn his back on the country that nutured his education and career.
If it was as impossible as you falsely attempt to portray it, then no one would have called slavery immoral and a sin.
However people more concerned with right and truth, than what people thought of them did call slavery evil.
They were called abolitionists.
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Go **** yourself.
bripat9643
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You are an idiot of monumental proportions.
reconmark
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So....you claim ownership of that term. Interesting that you admit it.And there it is. The demonic Left HATES country folk because we represent the goodness of America. Their socialist agena proceeds from big cities, but the resistance comes from everywhere else. No wonder they hate us.As usual you ignorance can't refute fact so the attempt at deflection begins.
US Senator brags about killing to spread slavery. Then kills to spread slavery. His speech should be in every US text book.
He also made it a crime to speak against slavery.
He also made it a crime -- really, we show you -- to not sign a card promising you are pro slavery. Men were arrested and tortured for not signing that card.
Lincoln shut down any newspaper the criticized his administration or his policies - over 300 hundred of them. He also threw people into concentration camps merely for not showing enough enthusiasm for his policies. Lincoln worshippers are hardly in a position to be attacking the South on free speech issues.
It can't deflect from the fact that these inbred cousin fuckers fought to maintain slavery...they admit it from their own mouths.
I have no qualm about the practices you people involved yourselves in...
squeeze berry
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squeeze berry
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So....you claim ownership of that term. Interesting that you admit it.And there it is. The demonic Left HATES country folk because we represent the goodness of America. Their socialist agena proceeds from big cities, but the resistance comes from everywhere else. No wonder they hate us.As usual you ignorance can't refute fact so the attempt at deflection begins.
US Senator brags about killing to spread slavery. Then kills to spread slavery. His speech should be in every US text book.
He also made it a crime to speak against slavery.
He also made it a crime -- really, we show you -- to not sign a card promising you are pro slavery. Men were arrested and tortured for not signing that card.
Lincoln shut down any newspaper the criticized his administration or his policies - over 300 hundred of them. He also threw people into concentration camps merely for not showing enough enthusiasm for his policies. Lincoln worshippers are hardly in a position to be attacking the South on free speech issues.
It can't deflect from the fact that these inbred cousin fuckers fought to maintain slavery...they admit it from their own mouths.
I have no qualm about the practices you people involved yourselves in...
who is "you people" ?
TakeAStepBack
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You succeed in being a class 1 moron, for sure.
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Hell, with that logic you have just provided. Then the Muslims have all the rights to do what they do because that is their profound belief.
Get it!!!
Get it!!!
You're wrong about Lee.Robert E. Lee was a great general - keeping the Federals at-bay for nearly three years, after he assumed command of the main Confederate army in the East.
He suffered a couple of defeats, and screwed the pooch at Gettysburg, but won more than he lost, kept his casualties well below those of his Union counterparts in most of his battles, gave the Lincoln Administration a very rough time and many scares, for years, and caused Old Abe to hire and fire several generals, until they hit on U.S. Grant.
Lee hailed from an ancient and highly influential and honorable family of Old Virginia which had done great service to both the Colonies and to the United States, prior to the Revolution, during the Revolution itself, and since - as evidenced by Lee's own service in Mexico and before and after, right up to the early days of the Civil War itself.
He was soooooo well thought-of up North that the then-Commander of the Union Army (Winfield Scott), the President himself, and other members of the Administration, all wanted Bobby Lee to take command of the Union forces.
That kind of offer doesn't come along every day, nor does it come to those lacking the talent to successfully lead armies of men in such a grim business.
If memory serves correctly, the only reason that Lee resigned his commission in the US Army, and went home, to soon take-up a commission in the new Confederate Army, was because he could not bring himself to fight against his friends and neighbors and family and fellow Virginians.
How many of us ( those of us who have any sense whatsoever of personal honor and family and home loyalty, anyway ) could bring ourselves to fight against our friends and neighbors and family and fellow citizens of our home states, under similar circumstances?
Lee, ever mindful of his family's rich history and contributions to the formation of the United States and its sustenance, was a Union Man through and through, and was greatly vexed when obliged to resign his commission in the US Army, and grieved for the break between Virginia and the Union.
He was mortal and fallible, and made a number of key mistakes, but he was also a genuine military superstar and top performer who got far-reaching results, usually at a far lower cost than his adversaries.
He was an inherited-property slaveholder, but it did not sit easily on his brow, and he famously opined that he would gladly let go of all the slaves in the South to preserve the Union, if only the Union would not move militarily against the Southern States.
There was vastly more good than bad about Robert E. Lee, he was truly an American Patriot who was tragically maneuvered by fate and circumstances and developments to act against his own Union and patriotic sympathies, and he was man enough to give his best to his home State and its sisters, once he was thrust into such a role.
For the most part, he held the respect, admiration, loyalty and affection of his men throughout the Civil War, and afterwards, so long as his men had breath in their bodies - and he held the respect and grudging admiration of most of his enemies as well - a legend in the North as well as the South - and largely rehabilitated in the North after Lee died.
I am a Union Man through and through - always have been - always will be - in the context of the American Civil War.
But, like most of us, I can recognize a Great Man and a Great General when I see one - not a demigod - just a man - but a great one - and believe Robert E. Lee to be just such a man, regardless of what the revisionists and little wankers and race-card baiters and hyper-liberal scum around here would have us swallow without critique or opposition.
Bobby Lee draws the admiration of most Americans - Left, Right and Center - North and South and East and West. It takes a special breed - America-haters and socialist wankers and race-baiters and race-card players and intolerant and ignorant uber-or-hyper-liberals and shit-stirring trolls - to ignore and deny the greatness in such a man.
"...The Union, forever, hurrah, boys, hurrah..."
God bless the United States, and the shades of those who died and suffered in order to preserve the Union and to abolish slavery.
God bless the shades of those who died and suffered in the South, as well, misguided as they were at the time, as a way of reconciling and healing our beloved Republic.
And... Robert E. Lee was, indeed, an American Patriot and Southern Hero - and one of the greatest generals in American military history.
Let me simmer your mush down for you.
I love my wife and children more than anything on Earth. If a madness overtook this society and the outward manifestation was for me to go into the streets with the approval and backing of my government and kill and enslave all the whites in the country, would I go along to get along???...of course not!!! If my wife and children engaged in that vile behavior I would be forced to separate from them.
I have more courage, honor ,integrity and humanity for that.
Obviously Lee didn't.
And your faux analogy is painfully simplistic and entirely lacking in an ability to appreciate multiple viewpoints in this context, almost to the point of childishness.
You are talking about someone born into a society that both morally and legally approved of slavery, and a Federal government that helped to perpetuate that, as well.
Slaves were subhuman... an inferior subspecies... or so said the philosophy and applied religion and applied science and the case law and statute of the times.
And they were pretty much viewed that way on both sides of the Mason-Dixon Line... South AND North.
It's not like slaves... or Black Folk in general... were viewed as important or taken seriously... in America or many other places in the world... until the past century or so.
We are talking about events that unfolded further back than that... 150 years ago and more... and involving people that would, by now, be over 200 years old, in many instances.
People who viewed their White friends and family and neighbors as far more important than the (perceived) subhuman Black Folk who dotted their environment... not exactly a difficult or surprising choice, when you look at it objectively rather than ideologically, with modern eyes and modern filters.
Different times... different world... different perspective... so, within their own universe of perception and understanding... yes, Robert E. Lee was a patriot, and a great soldier.
DriftingSand
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You're incorrect on your last point. Lee didn't fight to "keep slavery" but was actually opposed to it:
Robert E. Lee s Opinion Regarding Slavery
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