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[Foxfyre]

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What do you expect ... This is America ...
And people here have the luxury to think whatever they want ...

They tend not to know anything about life in the Middle East ...
The constant and foreboding undercurrent of hostility and violence ...
Or the simple fact the People there ... Don't have the Freedoms or Power we have here.

I mean people here can think whatever they want ... But on the ground ...
It doesn't take long to figure out who the 'bad guys' are ... They'll tell you ...

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Here ... Khalil was in a precarious situation ...
Decided to play with fire ... And got burned.

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It's the difference between expressed opinion which in most cases is protected speech and behavior that is not.

Does the USA want to promote citizenship for people who hate us? Disrespect our flag? Who hate Israel and Jews and promote violence against them? Just supporting terrorist groups by law is disqualifying for non-citizens. To import and give permanent green cards to and make citizens of such people is insane for any country.

Khalil has not only supported Hamas and Hezbollah, he is a senior activist for CUAD "which perceives itself as a revolutionary force working toward the destruction of the United States and Israel."

What are the beliefs of Mahmoud Khalil’s activist group CUAD? - analysis

The issue of law enforcement action against the group's leadership cannot be separated from the actions and objectives of CUAD.

www.jpost.com

This is not a person we should ever want as a citizen of the USA.

There is even a question on how Khalil got his green card so quickly when most people have to wait much longer. If he lied in any way on his green card application that is also grounds for deportation.

Did Khalil lie on his green card application? - Search Videos

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Khalil may prevail in court or not, but if his behavior is confirmed it will be his behavior and not his speech that justifies revoking his green card and evicting him from the country.

 

[Robert W]

Why do you ask.

And it wasn't overturned, simply returned to the states to decide.

But you admitted it was overturned by saying it is no longer valid and the states now are dealing with it. Were it not overturned, it still would force people to agree with abortion. Here is my point. You keep relying on a very old decision. You know you have used it a lot. It has a chance to also be overturned.

 

[BlackSand]

Does the USA want to promote citizenship for people who hate us?

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You said a few things that were noteworthy ...
But I am going to say something about what I quoted.

It doesn't even have to be about 'hate' or 'respect' ... And our Founders understood that.
We as American are not required to tolerate Foreign Influence ... And it doesn't matter where they are from ...
Nor what their issue may be.

As Citizens ... We are not diplomats at the State Department ... We can express our grievances with our government ...
But that doesn't mean Foreign Nationals can travel here ... And attempt to express or redress their grievances with us.

They can go talk to someone at a news network ... And that may be perfectly okay ...
But attempting to rally support or troops on our soil ... They can go pound sand.

We are a Sovereign Nation of Laws ...
And Foreign Nationals are in no position to tell us how we need to handle our business ...
That's why the Founders created the Federal Government ... That's its business ...
Not the price of eggs ... Or which bathrooms to use.

That's why the Constitution requires the President of the United States to be born in America ...
To help fight against Foreign Influence ... They didn't just add that on accident.

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[Robert W]

Khalil has not only supported Hamas and Hezbollah, he is a senior activist for CUAD "which perceives itself as a revolutionary force working toward the destruction of the United States and Israel."

Why is this forum so excited over this man? He currently is locked up but the wheels of justice are turning. A lot of men get charged who the system ends up not convicting. This is one reason the system needs some fixes. If a person is really innocent, he never should have spent a moment in jail.

 

[Foxfyre]

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You said a few things that were noteworthy ...
But I am going to say something about what I quoted.

It doesn't even have to be about 'hate' or 'respect' ... And our Founders understood that.
We as American are not required to tolerate Foreign Influence ... And it doesn't matter where they are from ...
Nor what their issue may be.

As Citizens ... We are not diplomats at the State Department ... We can express our grievances with our government ...
But that doesn't mean Foreign Nationals can travel here ... And attempt to express or redress their grievances with us.

They can go talk to someone at a news network ... And that may be perfectly okay ...
But attempting to rally support or troops on our soil ... They can go pound sand.

We are a Sovereign Nation of Laws ...
And Foreign Nationals are in no position to tell us how we need to handle our business ...
That's why the Founders created the Federal Government ... That's its business ...
Not the price of eggs ... Or which bathrooms to use.

That's why the Constitution requires the President of the United States to be born in America ...
To help fight against Foreign Influence ... They didn't just add that on accident.

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Right on my friend. And it is not a matter of protected free speech that has Khalil in trouble but rather his behavior. That is not constitutionally protected when it undermines the public good, causes harm, creates a security risk for American citizens. Because he is not a citizen, certain behaviors can justify revoking his green card and sending him out of the country whether or not he is actually convicted of a crime. He is getting due process re those behaviors. But the evidence against him seems pretty strong.

 

[BlackSand]

Right on my friend. And it is not a matter of protected free speech that has Khalil in trouble but rather his behavior. That is not constitutionally protected when it undermines the public good, causes harm, creates a security risk for American citizens. Because he is not a citizen, certain behaviors can justify revoking his green card and sending him out of the country whether or not he is actually convicted of a crime. He is getting due process re those behaviors. But the evidence against him seems pretty strong.

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For me it may be a lot easier to get to root of it.

If Khalil wanted to come here ... And live in the 'land of milk and honey' ...
Then he failed to understand ... That we are trying our best not to be whatever shithole he came from ...
Doing whatever the hell he thought was important there ...

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[Robert W]

Right on my friend. And it is not a matter of protected free speech that has Khalil in trouble but rather his behavior. That is not constitutionally protected when it undermines the public good, causes harm, creates a security risk for American citizens. Because he is not a citizen, certain behaviors can justify revoking his green card and sending him out of the country whether or not he is actually convicted of a crime. He is getting due process re those behaviors. But the evidence against him seems pretty strong.

I understand he is now in jail. This sucks to his fans. But he has attorneys. If he is innocent, he might get monetary awards for being locked up.

 

[BlackSand]

eeeyep...

And that goes for everything.

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Hehe ... You know I am going to throw Bastiat out there ...

The idea that the expansion of the Federal Government ... And overreach in Legislative duties ...
Will eventually erode the ability for Laws to protect the People, their Property and their Liberties.

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[The Duke]

What's Twitter?

Something censored by your surveillance-state government.

 

[The Duke]

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It's not about our ally Israel as much as it is about Jewish American and other American students in American colleges.

 

[HeyNorm]

Right on my friend. And it is not a matter of protected free speech that has Khalil in trouble but rather his behavior. That is not constitutionally protected when it undermines the public good, causes harm, creates a security risk for American citizens. Because he is not a citizen, certain behaviors can justify revoking his green card and sending him out of the country whether or not he is actually convicted of a crime. He is getting due process re those behaviors. But the evidence against him seems pretty strong.

^^^^^ it really is just this simple.

 

[Robert W]

Maybe you missed my posts where I said (a few times) that anyone who committed crimes should be charged and pay the price.

But I also wonder about these high profile events... like I mentioned earlier on the thread, "Order out of Chaos" is one of the main M.Os of the powers-that-shouldn't-be. It's an age old tactic, that they keep using, because it works.

So I'm curious to know if this is a case of 'planned chaos'... and if there were any agent provocateurs, in order to have a pretext to crack down on legitimate dissent. Don't automatically believe everything the talking heads on the TV tell you. There's usually more to the story. And someone who values truth investigates it, beyond only what the TV says.

The latest I found:
A US court has rejected the Trump administration's bid to dismiss Palestinian student activist Mahmoud Khalil's legal challenge to his detention and has ordered the case transferred to New Jersey.

 

[Natural Citizen]

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Hehe ... You know I am going to throw Bastiat out there ...

The idea that the expansion of the Federal Government ... And overreach in Legislative duties ...
Will eventually erode the ability for Laws to protect the People, their Property and their Liberties.

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Ah yes. The Great Fiction. He nailed it in his 1848 essay, ''Government.''

Worth a read for anyone who hasn't been introduced.

 

[The Duke]

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The First Amendment of the United States Constitution protects the freedom of speech, press, religion, assembly, and petition. It is part of the Bill of Rights, which also includes the other nine amendments added to the Constitution at the same time.

Talk some more about state schools. I say something's very wrong with your Alma Mater. You did go to the same school as this woman, no? Is there something in the water there?

 

[Foxfyre]

Why is this forum so excited over this man? He currently is locked up but the wheels of justice are turning. A lot of men get charged who the system ends up not convicting. This is one reason the system needs some fixes. If a person is really innocent, he never should have spent a moment in jail.

Again the evidence against him and for deportation seems pretty strong. Political Chic started this thread accusing the Administration of behaving like the last one and using lawfare against citizens who are guilty of nothing but constitutionally protected free speech.

She has accused those of us defending the administration's actions of supporting lawfare and being against free speech and acting on our 'feelings'.

The fact is that Khalil has and does supported officially identified terrorist organizations including one that is pointedly advocating for the destruction of the USA and Israel. The Biden administration doesn't care about any of that so long as a person supports the Democrats. The current Administration does.

But most honest people understand the difference between free speech and behavior. If Khalil is determined guilty of deportable behavior he should be deported.

 

[Robert W]

Ah yes. The Great Fiction. He nailed it in his 1848 essay, ''Government.''

Worth a read for anyone who hasn't been introduced.

Now this explains why I stopped voting for Democrats.
The State

As, on the one hand, it is certain that we all address some such request to the state, and, on the other hand, it is a well-established fact that the state cannot procure satisfaction for some without adding to the labor of others, while awaiting another definition of the state, I believe myself entitled to give my own here. Who knows if it will not carry off the prize? Here it is: The state is the great fictitious entity by which everyone seeks to live at the expense of everyone else.
Frédéric Bastiat

 

[Robert W]

Again the evidence against him and for deportation seems pretty strong. Political Chic started this thread accusing the Administration of behaving like the last one and using lawfare against citizens who are guilty of nothing but constitutionally protected free speech.

She has accused those of us defending the administration's actions of supporting lawfare and being against free speech and acting on our 'feelings'.

The fact is that Khalil has and does supported officially identified terrorist organizations including one that is pointedly advocating for the destruction of the USA and Israel. The Biden administration doesn't care about any of that so long as a person supports the Democrats. The current Administration does.

But most honest people understand the difference between free speech and behavior. If Khalil is determined guilty of deportable behavior he should be deported.

You and I understand the terrible thing government arrest power amounts to. So does PoliticalChick. I am still trying to digest her arguments but that is the nature of a forum. I see your view. He will get transported to New Jersey under courts orders. I hate what those so called protesters did. The harm they did to the campus and what they did to the students has to be taken into account by the court system.

Note my edit.

 

[Foxfyre]

I understand he is now in jail. This sucks to his fans. But he has attorneys. If he is innocent, he might get monetary awards for being locked up.

That would be the biggest travesty and miscarriage of justice of all. The man hates America, Americans and Jews. He supports terrorist organizations advocating for and working for the destruction of America, Americans and Israel/Jews which is a specific legal justification for deportation. Why in the world should such a person be considered for citizenship or allowed to be here as a permanent resident?

 

[Natural Citizen]

Now this explains why I stopped voting for Democrats.
The State

As, on the one hand, it is certain that we all address some such request to the state, and, on the other hand, it is a well-established fact that the state cannot procure satisfaction for some without adding to the labor of others, while awaiting another definition of the state, I believe myself entitled to give my own here. Who knows if it will not carry off the prize? Here it is: The state is the great fictitious entity by which everyone seeks to live at the expense of everyone else.
Frédéric Bastiat

Give Bastiat's ''The Law'' (1850) a read.

That's basically along the lines of what Black was thinking in post #568.

I kind of moved the goal posts a bit there, as my reference to ''Government'' was seeded from her initial thought on ''what happens when you grant the Federal Government more power than it should have'' in post #511.

 

[eagle1462010]

The latest I found:
A US court has rejected the Trump administration's bid to dismiss Palestinian student activist Mahmoud Khalil's legal challenge to his detention and has ordered the case transferred to New Jersey.

Typical leftist tactics trying to manipulate the system.