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[sparky]

Political Chic is one of those Columbia graduates

i could care if she hails from the university of Mars, she's got a point winger....~S~

 

[PoliticalChic]

It might be of some interest that we had dinner last night with an Israeli couple.....at an Indian restaurant, Spice Symphony...
150 E 50th St
New York, NY 10022....I recommend it.


....and I explained my position about the Hamas supporter.....and got no push-back.

I hope that most of my conservative colleagues see the necessity of this thread.

 

[MarathonMike]

Political Chic is one of those Columbia graduates and noted Nazi sympathizers

So was Obama.

 

[Foxfyre]

1.I am speaking as a Trump voter, and a conservative. We are at this point, the power in America. Remember what the Democrats/Liberals did when they were the power......
....let's not become them.


2."Mahmoud Khalil was a graduate student at Columbia University's School of International and Public Affairs (SIPA) at the time of the 2024 Columbia University pro-Palestinian campus occupations.<a href="Detention of Mahmoud Khalil - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>6<span>]</span></a> He is a permanent U.S. resident with a green card.<a href="Detention of Mahmoud Khalil - Wikipedia

3. The detention is the first publicly known deportation effort related to pro-Palestine activism under President Donald Trump, who has promised to punish students and others he says support Hamas or promote antisemitism.<a href="Detention of Mahmoud Khalil - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>6<span>]</span></a><a href="Detention of Mahmoud Khalil - Wikipedia

4. There is no criminal charge against Khalil.


5. This individual, as abhorent as he and his views are, should be seen in the context of the reason we voted against the Democrats: they enforced censorship against those who didn't agree with their possitions. We cannot allow ourselves to use our power to become those Fascists.

This Khalil should not be deported for his views.

I appreciate your argument here and agree we should not become like the Democrats are.

But there is also a side of me that says those who come here to study or work or stay should expect to be positive influences on the American way of life and not lead loud, threatening, and/or violent protests verbally and sometimes physically attacking any American citizens. To me that goes beyond free speech and moves the person to one who is not an asset to American and should not be here.

So while Khalil has not been criminally charged for anything, he in my mind is an undesirable.

And he may not be entirely harmless. There is this caught on video of Khalil saying: “We’ve tried armed resistance, which is legitimate under international law, but Israel calls it terrorism.”

Detained Columbia anti-Israel protester Mahmoud Khalil worked at UNRWA, got ‘rigorous security clearance’ as British gov staffer years before protests

The 30-year-old, who remains holed up in ICE custody following his high-profile arrest last weekend, held a senior position at the UK office for Syria — a diplomatic mission within the Britis…

nypost.com

So I am torn on what position to take on this one. I would like to hear more pros and cons.

 

[MarathonMike]

We have been far too tolerant of foreign activist students and Chinese national spies posing as students. Just like the border, you have to send a message, otherwise nothing changes. Deport them.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I appreciate your argument here and agree we should not become like the Democrats are.

But there is also a side of me that says those who come here to study or work or stay should expect to be positive influences on the American way of life and not lead loud, threatening, and/or violent protests verbally and sometimes physically attacking any American citizens. To me that goes beyond free speech and moves the person to one who is not an asset to American and should not be here.

So while Khalil has not been criminally charged for anything, he in my mind is an undesirable.

And he may not be entirely harmless. There is this caught on video of Khalil saying: “We’ve tried armed resistance, which is legitimate under international law, but Israel calls it terrorism.”

Detained Columbia anti-Israel protester Mahmoud Khalil worked at UNRWA, got ‘rigorous security clearance’ as British gov staffer years before protests

The 30-year-old, who remains holed up in ICE custody following his high-profile arrest last weekend, held a senior position at the UK office for Syria — a diplomatic mission within the Britis…

nypost.com

So I am torn on what position to take on this one. I would like to hear more pros and cons.

But isn't that the same position the Democrats took about any that didn't agree with the integrity of the Biden election?

"violent protests verbally" The phrase is syncretic. No matter what the woke say, speech is not violence.

There are no charges of violence or destruction of property against him.

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[PoliticalChic]

I appreciate your argument here and agree we should not become like the Democrats are.

But there is also a side of me that says those who come here to study or work or stay should expect to be positive influences on the American way of life and not lead loud, threatening, and/or violent protests verbally and sometimes physically attacking any American citizens. To me that goes beyond free speech and moves the person to one who is not an asset to American and should not be here.

So while Khalil has not been criminally charged for anything, he in my mind is an undesirable.

And he may not be entirely harmless. There is this caught on video of Khalil saying: “We’ve tried armed resistance, which is legitimate under international law, but Israel calls it terrorism.”

Detained Columbia anti-Israel protester Mahmoud Khalil worked at UNRWA, got ‘rigorous security clearance’ as British gov staffer years before protests

The 30-year-old, who remains holed up in ICE custody following his high-profile arrest last weekend, held a senior position at the UK office for Syria — a diplomatic mission within the Britis…

nypost.com

So I am torn on what position to take on this one. I would like to hear more pros and cons.

".....and/or violent protests verbally and sometimes physically attacking any American citizens. To me that goes beyond free speech and moves the person to one who is not an asset to American and should not be here."

Doesn't that sound a lot like what the Democrats said about 1500 Americans on Jan6?

 

[PoliticalChic]

We have been far too tolerant of foreign activist students and Chinese national spies posing as students. Just like the border, you have to send a message, otherwise nothing changes. Deport them.

Did you see some evidence of this guy being a spy?

Didn't think so.

 

[PoliticalChic]

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I think that threatening or even deporting this guy is a "purpose pitch" designed to quell the antiSemitic protests, withouth having to us police.
It may be an excellent plan......
But it is unAmerican.

 

[sparky]

But it is unAmerican.

Hate speech & hate speech laws are unconstitutional

especially when written to target ONE race

~S~

 

[PoliticalChic]

Hate speech & hate speech laws are unconstitutional

especially when written to target ONE race

~S~

I don't like this oaf sitting in at Columbia, but I don't see him as a threat to our security, either.

It is a mistake to curtail his right to protest for some imaginary security.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Benj. Franklin

 

[Foxfyre]

".....and/or violent protests verbally and sometimes physically attacking any American citizens. To me that goes beyond free speech and moves the person to one who is not an asset to American and should not be here."

Doesn't that sound a lot like what the Democrats said about 1500 Americans on Jan6?

The J6 protesters were U.S. citizens. This Khalil guy isn't. And therein is my problem with how to deal with undesirables that are here not as citizens but due to courtesy of the U.S. government.

 

[sparky]

I don't like this oaf

nor do i PC, but it's far more effective to let the oaf prove he is one, than making a silent martyr of him

free speech has been under attack for some time now, our gub'mit has used media tools and hate speech legislations and false narratives most effectively to do so

and all by pols sworn in to uphold the constitution at that.....

speaking of tools...>>>>

~S~

 

[PoliticalChic]

The J6 protesters were U.S. citizens. This Khalil guy isn't. And therein is my problem with how to deal with undesirables that are here not as citizens but due to courtesy of the U.S. government.

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[PoliticalChic]

nor do i PC, but it's far more effective to let the oaf prove he is one, than making a silent martyr of him

free speech has been under attack for some time now, our gub'mit has used media tools and hate speech legislations and false narratives most effectively to do so

and all by pols sworn in to uphold the constitution at that.....

speaking of tools...>>>>

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~S~

I really like the way you put that!

 

[Foxfyre]

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Yes, resident aliens, like all people within the United States, are covered by the Constitution and are entitled to its protections, including due process and equal protection under the law.

But also the law provides for the deportation of non citizens for some fairly narrowly defined situations and a person does not necessarily have to commit a crime in order to be justifiably deported. Does being openly pro Hamas, a terrorist organization, make somebody an undesirable who should be deported? The MSM whitewashes it by describing Khalil as pro-Palestinian, but the man is pro-Hamas and vehemently anti-Israel, anti-Jew. His antisemitism is quite obvious and disruptive.

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How open minded and tolerant must we be in allowing non citizens to be here who abuse everything America stands for before we uninvite them?

So I don't yet have as firm conviction on this as you and some other members do. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying I am not yet convinced either way.

 

[PoliticalChic]

But also the law provides for the deportation of non citizens for some fairly narrowly defined situations and a person does not necessarily have to commit a crime in order to be justifiably deported. Does being openly pro Hamas, a terrorist organization, make somebody an undesirable who should be deported? The MSM whitewashes it by describing Khalil as pro-Palestinian, but the man is pro-Hamas and vehemently anti-Israel, anti-Jew. His antisemitism is quite obvious and disruptive.

MSN

www.msn.com

How open minded and tolerant must we be in allowing non citizens to be here who abuse everything America stands for before we uninvite them?

So I don't yet have as firm conviction on this as you and some other members do. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying I am not yet convinced either way.

Is that what you want us to be....like the Democrats, and use lawfare against any who voice opposite opinions?

 

[Foxfyre]

Is that what you want us to be....like the Democrats, and use lawfare against any who voice opposite opinions?

Now come on my friend. That is not what I said or anything like that.

 

[Correll]

Khalil is not a citizen of the US. He was given temporary permission to attend an American university, not advocate violence against US citizens. The US is perfectly justified in revoking his visa.

Nor advocating anti-American political agendas. That would also be just cause to kick someone out.

 

[jwoodie]

Is that what you want us to be....like the Democrats, and use lawfare against any who voice opposite opinions?

So are you saying that it is illegal (unconstitutional) to deport Khalil, or that you simply disagree with that action?