Religious pic removed from public school, justice prevails

[daws101]

Einstein is not the primary symbol of a religion.

And a picture of him doesn't make kids smart. Likewise, the smart people understand that a picture of Jesus won't force the kids to become Christians.

It is a violation of the 1st Amendment establishment clause to have that picture on display in a government building.

Too bad you aren't smart enough to figure that out for yourself.

And the perpetually offended continue to be offended. In less expected news, the sun shone on the Sahara today.

again that's the conservatives ,if you had nothing to be offended by your heads would explode.
or more accurately YOU FIND SOMETHING LIKE THIS THREAD TO BE OFFENDED BY .

Says the perpetually offended.

That would be you and people like you .
On the other hand you folks are a fine example of the absurd.

 

[Uncensored2008]

So funny that you can see "the implied violence of the state" in the removal of religious iconography from a school but can see how that religious iconography implies endorsement by the state.

Nobody's civil rights or rights to expresd themselves were in any way harmed by the removal of the painting

The argument of the left is that display is compulsion. Thus the display of my college mascot;

Must force me to worship horses.

A passive display can compel nothing. Those who claim otherwise are delusional - or as is the case here, simply dishonest and driven by the goal of censoring messages opposed by the party.

 

[ogibillm]

NO he was not a deist.
James Madison was an Episcopalian.
He was identified as an Episcopalian by the 1995 Information Please Almanac; A Worthy Company: Brief Lives of the Framers of the United States Constitution by M. E. Bradford; and the Library of Congress. Memoirs & Correspondence of Thomas Jefferson, IV, page 512 was cited as the source stating explicitly that Madison was a "theist." (Source: Ian Dorion, "Table of the Religious Affiliations of American Founders", 1997).
The religion of James Madison Jr., 4th U.S. President
A theist not a deist.
It was the 10 commandments that help him to write the first 10 Amendments to our Constitution.

There is a desire among the leftists to rewrite history so that the founding fathers were all Deists.

Here is a list of professing Deists involved in the founding of the nation;

1. Benjamin Franklin

That is the entire list.

Now Tom Jefferson had some interesting views, but flatly states that he is not a Deist and is a Christian - IN THE DANBURY letter that people like Duhs thinks is the Constitution.

{
III. To examine with a good prospect of success, the nature and extent of the changes in regard to Religion, which have been introduced by the people of the United States in forming their State Constitutions, and also in the adoption of the Constitution of the United States ... THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES HAVE RETAINED THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION AS THE FOUNDATION OF THEIR CIVIL, LEGAL AND POLITICAL INSTITUTIONS; WHILE THEY HAVE REFUSED TO CONTINUE A LEGAL PREFERENCE TO ANY ONE OF ITS FORMS OVER THE OTHER. (emphasis in original)} - James Madison to William Bradford - 1792

Now I don't think Duhs is lying, i think he just repeats what he sees on ThinkProgress or Alternet, and lacks the wits to investigate the veracity of the shit posted on the hate sites.

I blame our Courts on this because of the court ruling that got rid of religion in the public schools.
They now can not teach the religious affiliations of our founders, nor teach how much they relied on God's guidance, especially during the Revolutionary War.
He does not even know that a deist and theist are different, he thinks they are the same thing.
This is one of millions of examples of dumbing down our education system by the left.

Please. You think the ten commandments are represented in the bill of rights.
You have no room to complain about the "dumbing down" of anything.

 

[ogibillm]

So funny that you can see "the implied violence of the state" in the removal of religious iconography from a school but can see how that religious iconography implies endorsement by the state.

Nobody's civil rights or rights to expresd themselves were in any way harmed by the removal of the painting

The argument of the left is that display is compulsion. Thus the display of my college mascot;

Must force me to worship horses.

A passive display can compel nothing. Those who claim otherwise are delusional - or as is the case her, simply dishonest and driven by the goal of censoring messages opposed by the party.

When you have to purposefully misstate the position of others to give your argument standing you may want to reevaluate your position.

 

[daws101]

so you think it's perfectly okay to make a non-christian child feel like they don't belong in their elementary school?

what civil rights are "obliterated" by the removal of the picture?

How am I making anyone do anything? You are offended that others dare hold ideas that differ from your own or those of your party. Thus you use the implied violence of the state to silence expression that you oppose. The display of images that you oppose is met by your party with the implied use of violence to suppress.

You of the left are dedicated to the eradication of civil rights. Expression that does not conform to party goals is suppressed using any and all means.

Such is the left.

The delusional, obsessive brain damaged poster yammers on.

 

[daws101]

false! you have a mental defect that makes you imagine that.
the reality is it's a good and necessary thing to allow everyone to speak.

Lying does not alter reality - even if the lie serves your party.

You are engaging in censorship of images that offend your party. You are denying the freedom of expression. These are facts. The actions undertaken by leftists that you are here supporting, were directly denying the freedom of expression to others.

If you're a bee, you gather honey.

If you're a leftist, you crush liberty - it's what you do.

You just wish it was.

 

[daws101]

As we can see from the posts by conservatives subscribing to this thread, their ignorance and arrogance illustrates why the First Amendment is needed as much today as any time in our Nation's history, to safeguard Americans from that ignorance and arrogance.

Yet you fight with all you have to end the 1st..

How do you feel the removal of the picture hurt anyone's first amendment rights?

What's ironic is unhinged claims he's a non believer.

 

[Derideo_Te]

NO he was not a deist.
James Madison was an Episcopalian.
He was identified as an Episcopalian by the 1995 Information Please Almanac; A Worthy Company: Brief Lives of the Framers of the United States Constitution by M. E. Bradford; and the Library of Congress. Memoirs & Correspondence of Thomas Jefferson, IV, page 512 was cited as the source stating explicitly that Madison was a "theist." (Source: Ian Dorion, "Table of the Religious Affiliations of American Founders", 1997).
The religion of James Madison Jr., 4th U.S. President
A theist not a deist.
It was the 10 commandments that help him to write the first 10 Amendments to our Constitution.

There is a desire among the leftists to rewrite history so that the founding fathers were all Deists.

Here is a list of professing Deists involved in the founding of the nation;

1. Benjamin Franklin

That is the entire list.

Now Tom Jefferson had some interesting views, but flatly states that he is not a Deist and is a Christian - IN THE DANBURY letter that people like Duhs thinks is the Constitution.

{
III. To examine with a good prospect of success, the nature and extent of the changes in regard to Religion, which have been introduced by the people of the United States in forming their State Constitutions, and also in the adoption of the Constitution of the United States ... THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES HAVE RETAINED THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION AS THE FOUNDATION OF THEIR CIVIL, LEGAL AND POLITICAL INSTITUTIONS; WHILE THEY HAVE REFUSED TO CONTINUE A LEGAL PREFERENCE TO ANY ONE OF ITS FORMS OVER THE OTHER. (emphasis in original)} - James Madison to William Bradford - 1792

Now I don't think Duhs is lying, i think he just repeats what he sees on ThinkProgress or Alternet, and lacks the wits to investigate the veracity of the shit posted on the hate sites.

I blame our Courts on this because of the court ruling that got rid of religion in the public schools.
They now can not teach the religious affiliations of our founders, nor teach how much they relied on God's guidance, especially during the Revolutionary War.
He does not even know that a deist and theist are different, he thinks they are the same thing.
This is one of millions of examples of dumbing down our education system by the left.

Interesting that you don't blame your fellow Christians for violating the 1st Amendment which is why the court had to make that ruling!

 

[daws101]

NO he was not a deist.
James Madison was an Episcopalian.
He was identified as an Episcopalian by the 1995 Information Please Almanac; A Worthy Company: Brief Lives of the Framers of the United States Constitution by M. E. Bradford; and the Library of Congress. Memoirs & Correspondence of Thomas Jefferson, IV, page 512 was cited as the source stating explicitly that Madison was a "theist." (Source: Ian Dorion, "Table of the Religious Affiliations of American Founders", 1997).
The religion of James Madison Jr., 4th U.S. President
A theist not a deist.
It was the 10 commandments that help him to write the first 10 Amendments to our Constitution.

There is a desire among the leftists to rewrite history so that the founding fathers were all Deists.

Here is a list of professing Deists involved in the founding of the nation;

1. Benjamin Franklin

That is the entire list.

Now Tom Jefferson had some interesting views, but flatly states that he is not a Deist and is a Christian - IN THE DANBURY letter that people like Duhs thinks is the Constitution.

{
III. To examine with a good prospect of success, the nature and extent of the changes in regard to Religion, which have been introduced by the people of the United States in forming their State Constitutions, and also in the adoption of the Constitution of the United States ... THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES HAVE RETAINED THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION AS THE FOUNDATION OF THEIR CIVIL, LEGAL AND POLITICAL INSTITUTIONS; WHILE THEY HAVE REFUSED TO CONTINUE A LEGAL PREFERENCE TO ANY ONE OF ITS FORMS OVER THE OTHER. (emphasis in original)} - James Madison to William Bradford - 1792

Now I don't think Duhs is lying, i think he just repeats what he sees on ThinkProgress or Alternet, and lacks the wits to investigate the veracity of the shit posted on the hate sites.

I blame our Courts on this because of the court ruling that got rid of religion in the public schools.
They now can not teach the religious affiliations of our founders, nor teach how much they relied on God's guidance, especially during the Revolutionary War.
He does not even know that a deist and theist are different, he thinks they are the same thing.
This is one of millions of examples of dumbing down our education system by the left.

Everything you just posted is false as it is bias.
How ironic you'd talk about the dumbing down of this country.

 

[daws101]

James Madison attended St. John's Episcopal Church while he was President. he was a deist.
that's a totally different kind of Christian than you would understand.
he like all the other FFs believed that god did not interfere in human affairs.
a concept that scares people like you shitless.

Madison, a deist?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Are you lying, or really this ignorant?

Neither , not that it matters as you have major advertion to fact.

 

[daws101]

James Madison attended St. John's Episcopal Church while he was President. he was a deist.
that's a totally different kind of Christian than you would understand.
he like all the other FFs believed that god did not interfere in human affairs.
a concept that scares people like you shitless.

Madison, a deist?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Are you lying, or really this ignorant?

I'm embarrassed for you Dog Boy


Deism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Other notable Founding Fathers may have been more directly deist. These include James Madison, possibly Alexander Hamilton, Ethan Allen,[45] and Thomas Paine (who published The Age of Reason, a treatise that helped to popularize deism throughout the United States and Europe).

Stand by for an unhinged tantrum.

 

[daws101]

NO he was not a deist.
James Madison was an Episcopalian.
He was identified as an Episcopalian by the 1995 Information Please Almanac; A Worthy Company: Brief Lives of the Framers of the United States Constitution by M. E. Bradford; and the Library of Congress. Memoirs & Correspondence of Thomas Jefferson, IV, page 512 was cited as the source stating explicitly that Madison was a "theist." (Source: Ian Dorion, "Table of the Religious Affiliations of American Founders", 1997).
The religion of James Madison Jr., 4th U.S. President
A theist not a deist.
It was the 10 commandments that help him to write the first 10 Amendments to our Constitution.

There is a desire among the leftists to rewrite history so that the founding fathers were all Deists.

Here is a list of professing Deists involved in the founding of the nation;

1. Benjamin Franklin

That is the entire list.

Now Tom Jefferson had some interesting views, but flatly states that he is not a Deist and is a Christian - IN THE DANBURY letter that people like Duhs thinks is the Constitution.

{
III. To examine with a good prospect of success, the nature and extent of the changes in regard to Religion, which have been introduced by the people of the United States in forming their State Constitutions, and also in the adoption of the Constitution of the United States ... THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES HAVE RETAINED THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION AS THE FOUNDATION OF THEIR CIVIL, LEGAL AND POLITICAL INSTITUTIONS; WHILE THEY HAVE REFUSED TO CONTINUE A LEGAL PREFERENCE TO ANY ONE OF ITS FORMS OVER THE OTHER. (emphasis in original)} - James Madison to William Bradford - 1792

Now I don't think Duhs is lying, i think he just repeats what he sees on ThinkProgress or Alternet, and lacks the wits to investigate the veracity of the shit posted on the hate sites.

Link?

 

[peach174]

The bottom line remains, a picture is not compulsion, any more than a picture of Einstein makes kids smart.

Einstein is not the primary symbol of a religion.

And a picture of him doesn't make kids smart. Likewise, the smart people understand that a picture of Jesus won't force the kids to become Christians.

It is a violation of the 1st Amendment establishment clause to have that picture on display in a government building.

Too bad you aren't smart enough to figure that out for yourself.

Then all of the displays of Moses & Solomon including the 10 commandments needs to be torn down from the Supreme Court and the House and Senate Chaplain needs to go.
Never mind we have had one ever since we became a Nation in 1776.

I agree. shouldn't be a chaplain or 10 Commandments.

They need to be ripped-out by the roots.

Yeah we sure wouldn't want to teach nor promote these moral things.
5 “Honor your father and your mother
6 “You shall not murder.
7 “You shall not commit adultery.
8 “You shall not steal.
9 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10 “You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.”

The 1st four can be ignored if you don't believe.
Like every one who has done so since the beginning of our nation who did not believe in any religion. They all believed in the teachings of the last 5.
The display of the 10 commandments does not force you to go to church. Nor does it make you believe in God.
At least they knew and was taught why it was so important, in order for America to be a free nation.

Not like we have now when each neighbor is trying to out do each other in their material possession when they don't have the money to do so.
You know the old saying. Live within your means.

 

[daws101]

So funny that you can see "the implied violence of the state" in the removal of religious iconography from a school but can see how that religious iconography implies endorsement by the state.

Nobody's civil rights or rights to expresd themselves were in any way harmed by the removal of the painting

The argument of the left is that display is compulsion. Thus the display of my college mascot;

Must force me to worship horses.

A passive display can compel nothing. Those who claim otherwise are delusional - or as is the case her, simply dishonest and driven by the goal of censoring messages opposed by the party.

Cow poly that explains a lot!

 

[Derideo_Te]

10 “You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.”

Not like we have now when each neighbor is trying to out do each other in their material possession when they don't have the money to do so.

I guess Peach missed the irony of the 10th Commandment being 180 degrees out of sync with the unfettered capitalism that has made this nation great.

What was that drivel about the Founding Fathers basing the BoR on the 10 Commandments again?

So how come they didn't outlaw consumerism and capitalism?

Yet another crash and burn for the bible bashers distortions about the founding of this nation.

 

[daws101]

Einstein is not the primary symbol of a religion.

And a picture of him doesn't make kids smart. Likewise, the smart people understand that a picture of Jesus won't force the kids to become Christians.

It is a violation of the 1st Amendment establishment clause to have that picture on display in a government building.

Too bad you aren't smart enough to figure that out for yourself.

Then all of the displays of Moses & Solomon including the 10 commandments needs to be torn down from the Supreme Court and the House and Senate Chaplain needs to go.
Never mind we have had one ever since we became a Nation in 1776.

I agree. shouldn't be a chaplain or 10 Commandments.

They need to be ripped-out by the roots.

Yeah we sure wouldn't want to teach nor promote these moral things.
5 “Honor your father and your mother
6 “You shall not murder.
7 “You shall not commit adultery.
8 “You shall not steal.
9 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10 “You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.”

The 1st four can be ignored if you don't believe.
Like every one who has done so since the beginning of our nation who did not believe in any religion. They all believed in the teachings of the last 5.
The display of the 10 commandments does not force you to go to church. Nor does it make you believe in God.
At least they knew and was taught why it was so important, in order for America to be a free nation.

Not like we have now when each neighbor is trying to out do each other in their material possession when they don't have the money to do so.
You know the old saying. Live within your means.

The 10 commandments are a distillation of customs followed by many cultures at the time .there is no evidence they were written by Moses.
The rules laid out are good and pratical.
That's why the FFs used them as inspiration
The source is irrelevant.

 

[peach174]

10 “You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.”

Not like we have now when each neighbor is trying to out do each other in their material possession when they don't have the money to do so.

I guess Peach missed the irony of the 10th Commandment being 180 degrees out of sync with the unfettered capitalism that has made this nation great.

What was that drivel about the Founding Fathers basing the BoR on the 10 Commandments again?

So how come they didn't outlaw consumerism and capitalism?

Yet another crash and burn for the bible bashers distortions about the founding of this nation.

It went over head about Credit, which is what I was referring to.
Progressives - founded the Federal Reserve
Federal Reserve issued credit so that people did not know anything all about the stock market could get into trading on Wall St. Then came the crash.
Then came the credit cards and we now have $916.6 Billion in credit card debt.
All created by Progressives.

 

[peach174]

And a picture of him doesn't make kids smart. Likewise, the smart people understand that a picture of Jesus won't force the kids to become Christians.

It is a violation of the 1st Amendment establishment clause to have that picture on display in a government building.

Too bad you aren't smart enough to figure that out for yourself.

Then all of the displays of Moses & Solomon including the 10 commandments needs to be torn down from the Supreme Court and the House and Senate Chaplain needs to go.
Never mind we have had one ever since we became a Nation in 1776.

I agree. shouldn't be a chaplain or 10 Commandments.

They need to be ripped-out by the roots.

Yeah we sure wouldn't want to teach nor promote these moral things.
5 “Honor your father and your mother
6 “You shall not murder.
7 “You shall not commit adultery.
8 “You shall not steal.
9 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
10 “You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.”

The 1st four can be ignored if you don't believe.
Like every one who has done so since the beginning of our nation who did not believe in any religion. They all believed in the teachings of the last 5.
The display of the 10 commandments does not force you to go to church. Nor does it make you believe in God.
At least they knew and was taught why it was so important, in order for America to be a free nation.

Not like we have now when each neighbor is trying to out do each other in their material possession when they don't have the money to do so.
You know the old saying. Live within your means.

The 10 commandments are a distillation of customs followed by many cultures at the time .there is no evidence they were written by Moses.
The rules laid out are good and pratical.
That's why the FFs used them as inspiration
The source is irrelevant.

Correction
God wrote them, not Moses.

 

[daws101]

10 “You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.”

Not like we have now when each neighbor is trying to out do each other in their material possession when they don't have the money to do so.

I guess Peach missed the irony of the 10th Commandment being 180 degrees out of sync with the unfettered capitalism that has made this nation great.

What was that drivel about the Founding Fathers basing the BoR on the 10 Commandments again?

So how come they didn't outlaw consumerism and capitalism?

Yet another crash and burn for the bible bashers distortions about the founding of this nation.

It went over head about Credit, which is what I was referring to.
Progressives - founded the Federal Reserve
Federal Reserve issued credit so that people did not know anything all about the stock market could get into trading on Wall St. Then came the crash.
Then came the credit cards and we now have $916.6 Billion in credit card debt.
All created by Progressives.

False.

 

[Derideo_Te]

10 “You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.”

Not like we have now when each neighbor is trying to out do each other in their material possession when they don't have the money to do so.

I guess Peach missed the irony of the 10th Commandment being 180 degrees out of sync with the unfettered capitalism that has made this nation great.

What was that drivel about the Founding Fathers basing the BoR on the 10 Commandments again?

So how come they didn't outlaw consumerism and capitalism?

Yet another crash and burn for the bible bashers distortions about the founding of this nation.

It went over head about Credit, which is what I was referring to.
Progressives - founded the Federal Reserve
Federal Reserve issued credit so that people did not know anything all about the stock market could get into trading on Wall St. Then came the crash.
Then came the credit cards and we now have $916.6 Billion in credit card debt.
All created by Progressives.

Why am I not in the least bit surprised to discover that you are just as ignorant about how capitalism and finance actually work in this nation?

It wasn't the Federal Reserve extending credit for those predatory subprime mortgage scams. That funding came directly from the republican deregulated Wall Street Casino banks.

And no, I don't expect you to understand the difference and you are not paying me to educate you either.

You obviously get all of your disinformation from extremist rightwing sources that have zero credibility.