That's a bridge too far for him I suspect.Rather than ignore the theology, perhaps be encouraged to understand (perhaps even appreciate?) the theology even when choosing not to be a part of it.
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That's a bridge too far for him I suspect.Rather than ignore the theology, perhaps be encouraged to understand (perhaps even appreciate?) the theology even when choosing not to be a part of it.
I'm going to join in by calling you out in the bull ring for a good depantsing.Is that your own interpretation of Noah's flood? Fair enough the whole story has to be amended to match it and work with it. You know the details as well as I so I won't get into it.
What is the evidence for that? It can be that creationism fighting science has been the cause of a lot of the trouble.
It needs a rewrite if it's going to be taught to children in my opinion. Children are given the sort of stories that we've been talking about and they believe them to be the literal truth. They buy into it as surely as the buy into Santa.
Is there any attempt being made to tell children the truth about the big fish, Noah's ark, etc?
Thank you for a polite and friendly discussion. We might be able to make some progress on our differing opinions.
mr. ding join in but please keep to the spirit of friendly discussion.
I don't think he does have a point but that's not unusual for atheists who obsess over other people's religion.You have a point on the number of gods allowed in the CC, but not my point.
It's about the Catholic flock being told that they can choose either creation or evolution.
And presumedly, a combination of the two?
What would that look like??
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So which theology is the one correct one and how do you know?All of them when the Elohim narrative is fully revealed shortly . Cult Christianity , Cult Judaism and Cult Islam all up the proverbial spout .
Will be fun watching the Normies and Sheeple try to cope . Very messy .
Bad choice of words on my part. I do think I understand Christian and Jewish history and theology. I doubt I'll ever appreciate either very much. Like all human inventions, it is both good and bad, it has brought great comfort but also great pain.Rather than ignore the theology, perhaps be encouraged to understand (perhaps even appreciate?) the theology even when choosing not to be a part of it.
I thought Catholics were OK with evolution being the mechanism of God's creation, meaning they are not mutually exclusive.You have a point on the number of gods allowed in the CC, but not my point.
It's about the Catholic flock being told that they can choose either creation or evolution.
And presumedly, a combination of the two?
What would that look like??
The question is which theology is the correct one for you. You will know if it brings you closer to God in reality as opposed to conceptually. If all you have is conceptual awareness and not spiritual awareness, then it's a bit like an Amish man not shaving to show his lack of pride but then being proud about not being proud. Like all aspects of life, it's complicated.So which theology is the one correct one and how do you know?
Interesting. Based upon that logic, it goes to reason there are no human inventions you can appreciate very much, right? Because according to you, all human inventions bring great comfort and also great pain.Bad choice of words on my part. I do think I understand Christian and Jewish history and theology. I doubt I'll ever appreciate either very much. Like all human inventions, it is both good and bad, it has brought great comfort but also great pain.
As do parents, siblings, and friends bring great comfort but also great pain. It helps to understand that the Bible was written by man, through the frame of reference of men in what the realities and perspectives of their lives--and of God--were.I doubt I'll ever appreciate either very much. Like all human inventions, it is both good and bad, it has brought great comfort but also great pain.
It is not interpretation so much as in depth studies including--and relying more heavily--on rabbi commentaries, especially those who know and speak the Hebrew language. Those who know and speak Hebrew come away with a different perspective from those who read the King James English.Is that your own interpretation of Noah's flood? Fair enough the whole story has to be amended to match it and work with it. You know the details as well as I so I won't get into it.
But who is fighting science? The Catholic faith has no fight with science because truth is truth and truth wins. There are some who believe creation took place in six days in a blink of an eye. Again, that King James English. But God is truth and why wouldn't he want us to know the truth? The Bible is not the only place we can discover God's truth.What is the evidence for that? It can be that creationism fighting science has been the cause of a lot of the trouble.
Here we get to the point where the Bible can be be used to splash in the shallows as children do, or to go deep sea diving as explorers will.It needs a rewrite if it's going to be taught to children in my opinion. Children are given the sort of stories that we've been talking about and they believe them to be the literal truth. They buy into it as surely as the buy into Santa.
Is there any attempt being made to tell children the truth about the big fish, Noah's ark, etc?
Yes. Well said!I thought Catholics were OK with evolution being the mechanism of God's creation, meaning they are not mutually exclusive.
Isn't Elohim a synonym for the Hebrew God? Were they wrong about it?Judaism first , closely followed by Christianity and Islam .
All Cult religions founded on the principle of Monotheism --- a single source creator .
The presence of the Elohim will demand a re-think and complete re-assessment of how we as a species see the Universe.
Why do so many think they are living at the end of days? Such conceit! But you're in good company, both Jesus and Paul believed the same thing.Next one/two years will change humanity more than ever before and by a gi-normous margin .
imho obviously , and in front of the big revelation it takes some swallowing .
So just watch and keep sane .Because most will not.
I like that approach but I wonder how many would agree with you.The question is which theology is the correct one for you. You will know if it brings you closer to God in reality as opposed to conceptually. If all you have is conceptual awareness and not spiritual awareness, then it's a bit like an Amish man not shaving to show his lack of pride but then being proud about not being proud. Like all aspects of life, it's complicated.
All human systems are good and bad so I appreciate the good and distain the bad but ultimately they are all a wash. Guns let us defend ourselves, which I appreciate, but also allow deranged people to kill innocent people in mass shootings.Interesting. Based upon that logic, it goes to reason there are no human inventions you can appreciate very much, right? Because according to you, all human inventions bring great comfort and also great pain.
Absolutely true.As do parents, siblings, and friends bring great comfort but also great pain. It helps to understand that the Bible was written by man, through the frame of reference of men in what the realities and perspectives of their lives--and of God--were.
Or the complete opposite, how man has evolved his view of God(s). His view of pagan gods was different from the Hebrew covenant which was different from the understanding of Jesus by Christians. As society changes so does its god.From the angle of hindsight, we can perhaps see more clearly God in their midst and his how he was working/guiding mankind.
Nobody wants to stop children from splashing in the shallows my friend.Here we get to the point where the Bible can be be used to splash in the shallows as children do, or to go deep sea diving as explorers will.
Can anything in the bibles be relied upon as factual history, when even today Christians don't agree on what is literally true and what is not?The Bible is, far and away, the best preserved book from the ancient world. It contains a window into the history and social structure of that world that is worthy of study. I can ignore the theology and still appreciate it.