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Don't forget that the Constitution also provides for an observance of the Sabbath in its Presentment Clause, mandating that the president has ten days, excluding Sundays, to veto a bill. (art. I, S 7, cl. 2)
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Directly quoted from the Constitution, liar.
Article Seven....
Article VII
The Ratification of the Conventions of nine States, shall be sufficient for the Establishment of this Constitution between the States so ratifying the Same.
Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth In Witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names,
Go. Washington—Presidt.
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The phrase “Year of our Lord,” which is the only reference to God in the United States Constitution, was, of course, a standard eighteenth-century way of referencing the date. It reminds us that the Constitution was written in a different world than our own. Today we do not usually refer to the date this way. In the eighteenth century they did. The past is indeed a foreign country.
How did this reference to “the Year of our Lord” find its way into the Constitution?
We know that the phrase “Year of our Lord” was not included in the draft of the Constitution that was approved by the Convention. On Monday, September 17, 1787, James Madison moved that
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The evidence available suggests that the phrase “Year of our Lord” was not part of the document approved by the members of the Constitutional Convention, but was probably added to the document sometime after the meeting.
The U.S. Constitution and "the Year of our Lord"
How did this reference to “the Year of our Lord” find its way into the Constitution?
We know that the phrase “Year of our Lord” was not included in the draft of the Constitution that was approved by the Convention. On Monday, September 17, 1787, James Madison moved that
snip
The evidence available suggests that the phrase “Year of our Lord” was not part of the document approved by the members of the Constitutional Convention, but was probably added to the document sometime after the meeting.
The U.S. Constitution and "the Year of our Lord"
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The most quoted source was the Bible. Established in the original writings of our Founding Fathers we find that they discovered in Isaiah 33:22 the three branches of government: Isaiah 33:22 “For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; he will save us.” Here we see the judicial, the legislative and the executive branches. In Ezra 7:24 we see where they established the tax exempt status of the church: Ezra 7:24 “Also we certify you, that touching any of the priests and Levites, singers, porters, Nethinims, or ministers of this house of God, it shall not be lawful to impose toll, tribute, or custom, upon them.”
When we look at our Constitution we see in Article 4 Section 4 that we are guaranteed a Republican form of government, that was found in Exodus 18
“Moreover thou shalt provide out of all the people able men, such as fear God, men of truth, hating covetousness; and place such over them, to be rulers of thousands, and rulers of hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens:” This indicates that we are to choose, or elect God fearing men and women. Looking at Article 3 Section 3 we see almost word for word Deuteronomy 17:6: ‘No person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the testimony of two Witnesses. . .’ Deuteronomy 17:6 “At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses. . .”. The next paragraph in Article 3 Section 3 refers to who should pay the price for treason. In England, they could punish the sons for the trespasses of the father, if the father died.Roger Anghis -- Bring America Back To Her Religious Roots, Part 7
Bet you won't find this in the government school curriculum, huh?
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So very hard up. Don't you look foolish.
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The most quoted source was the Bible. Established in the original writings of our Founding Fathers we find that they discovered in Isaiah 33:22 the three branches of government: Isaiah 33:22 “For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; he will save us.” Here we see the judicial, the legislative and the executive branches. In Ezra 7:24 we see where they established the tax exempt status of the church: Ezra 7:24 “Also we certify you, that touching any of the priests and Levites, singers, porters, Nethinims, or ministers of this house of God, it shall not be lawful to impose toll, tribute, or custom, upon them.”
When we look at our Constitution we see in Article 4 Section 4 that we are guaranteed a Republican form of government, that was found in Exodus 18
Roger Anghis -- Bring America Back To Her Religious Roots, Part 7
Bet you won't find this in the government school curriculum, huh?
The US government was not founded on any religion, and that is why there is no religion test for the President.
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Time to teach you vocabulary, too??????
Spin.
Spin…altering the truth without altering the facts.
A lie which has somehow been legitimized by an uneducated public. Seenewspeak, doublespeak
Public relations term, referring to slightly altering facts to portray a desired version of a story.
Now that you can't deny the reference to Jesus, you have to try to spin.
Gads, you Liberals are scummy low-lives.
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There were 11-15 Jesus in the first part of the century , which one??
Also that is not part of the Constitution, but hey your can believe in whatever you want, there is no Jesus or God in the Constitution. But you go right ahead and believe the date is meaning Jesus, many people suffer from delusions of THEIR religion. Good thing your not Muslim, then you'd be in trouble.
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The most quoted source was the Bible. Established in the original writings of our Founding Fathers we find that they discovered in Isaiah 33:22 the three branches of government: Isaiah 33:22 “For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; he will save us.” Here we see the judicial, the legislative and the executive branches. In Ezra 7:24 we see where they established the tax exempt status of the church: Ezra 7:24 “Also we certify you, that touching any of the priests and Levites, singers, porters, Nethinims, or ministers of this house of God, it shall not be lawful to impose toll, tribute, or custom, upon them.”
When we look at our Constitution we see in Article 4 Section 4 that we are guaranteed a Republican form of government, that was found in Exodus 18
Roger Anghis -- Bring America Back To Her Religious Roots, Part 7
Bet you won't find this in the government school curriculum, huh?
The US government was not founded on any religion, and that is why there is no religion test for the President.
Let's check.
The reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/mt/archives/2010/02/new_column_libe_4.html
Believers in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost
This question was asked by political science professors at the University of Houston. They rightfully felt that they could determine the source of the Founders’ ideas if they could collect the writings from the Founding Era and see whom the Founders were quoting.
The researchers assembled 15,000 writings from the founding Era – no small sample – and searched those writings. That project spanned ten years; but at the end of that time, the researchers had isolated 3,154 direct quotes made by the Founders and had identified the source of those quotes.
The researchers discovered that Baron Charles de Montesquieu was the man quoted most often by the founding fathers, with 8.3 percent of the Founders’ quotes being taken from his writings. Sir William Blackstone was the second most-quoted individual with 7.9 percent of the Founder’s quotes, and John Locke was third with 2.9 percent.
Surprisingly, the researchers discovered that the founders quoted directly out of the bible 4 times more than they quoted Montesquieu, 4 times more often than they quoted Blackstone, and 12 times more often than they quoted John Locke. Thirty four percent of the Founders’ quotes came directly out of the bible.
The study was even more impressive when the source of the ideas used by Montesquieu, Blackstone, and Locke were identified. Consider for example, the source of Blackstone’s ideas. Blackstone’s Commentaries on the Laws was first introduced in 1768, and for the next 100 years America’s courts quoted Blackstone to settle disputes, to define words, and to examine procedure; Blackstone’s Commentaries were the final word in the Supreme Courts. So what was a significant source of Blackstone’s ideas? Perhaps the best answer to that question can be given through the life of Charles Finney.
Charles Finney is known as a famous revivalist, minister, and preacher from one of America’s greatest revivals; the Second Great Awakening in the early 1800’s. Finney, in his autobiography, spoke of how he received his call to ministry. He explained that – having determined to become a lawyer – he, like all other law students at the time, commenced the study of Blackstone’s Commentaries on the Laws. Finney observed that Blackstone’s Commentaries not only provided the laws, it also provided the Biblical concepts on which those laws were based. Finney explained that in the process of studying Blackstone, he read so much of the Bible that he became a Christian and received his call to the ministry. Finney’s life story clearly identified a major source of Blackstone’s ideas for law.
So, while 34% of the Founders’ quotes came directly out of the Bible, many of their quotes were taken from men – like Blackstone – who had used the Bible to arrive at their own conclusions.”
This doesn’t even include Supreme Court decisions, Congressional records, speeches, inaugurations, etc. all of which include sources of Biblical content and concepts. I can produce those as well, if need be ,as well as what was taught in American schools for the first 175 years.
Bear in mind, the above is not some made up opinion, it is well documented, irrefutable research into actual quotes from the Founders.
Sources:
David Barton, Original Intent, 1997
Donald Lutz, The Origins of American Constitutionalism 1988
“The Relative Influence of European Writers on Late Eighteenth Century American Political Thought” American Political Science Review
Remember the last time you were right about anything???
Me neither.
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Our charter document asserts that by God - the Supreme Judge - the states are free and independent and that by that same God - divine Providence - the signers pledge their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor to effect this independence.
The most quoted source was the Bible. Established in the original writings of our Founding Fathers we find that they discovered in Isaiah 33:22 the three branches of government: Isaiah 33:22 “For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; he will save us.” Here we see the judicial, the legislative and the executive branches. In Ezra 7:24 we see where they established the tax exempt status of the church: Ezra 7:24 “Also we certify you, that touching any of the priests and Levites, singers, porters, Nethinims, or ministers of this house of God, it shall not be lawful to impose toll, tribute, or custom, upon them.”
When we look at our Constitution we see in Article 4 Section 4 that we are guaranteed a Republican form of government, that was found in Exodus 18
Roger Anghis -- Bring America Back To Her Religious Roots, Part 7
Bet you won't find this in the government school curriculum, huh?
Christianity didn't end in 1776. It was one of four traditions that served as the fountainhead of the Americans' unwritten constitution that served to garrison their written one.
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Pick up any copy of the Constitution and you will find this:
Article Seven....
Article VII
The Ratification of the Conventions of nine States, shall be sufficient for the Establishment of this Constitution between the States so ratifying the Same.
Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth In Witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names,
Go. Washington—Presidt.
And deputy from Virginia
Don't your hands hurt from holding on by your fingernails for so long?
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Our charter document asserts that by God - the Supreme Judge - the states are free and independent and that by that same God - divine Providence - the signers pledge their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor to effect this independence.
The most quoted source was the Bible. Established in the original writings of our Founding Fathers we find that they discovered in Isaiah 33:22 the three branches of government: Isaiah 33:22 “For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; he will save us.” Here we see the judicial, the legislative and the executive branches. In Ezra 7:24 we see where they established the tax exempt status of the church: Ezra 7:24 “Also we certify you, that touching any of the priests and Levites, singers, porters, Nethinims, or ministers of this house of God, it shall not be lawful to impose toll, tribute, or custom, upon them.”
When we look at our Constitution we see in Article 4 Section 4 that we are guaranteed a Republican form of government, that was found in Exodus 18
Roger Anghis -- Bring America Back To Her Religious Roots, Part 7
Bet you won't find this in the government school curriculum, huh?
Christianity didn't end in 1776. It was one of four traditions that served as the fountainhead of the Americans' unwritten constitution that served to garrison their written one.
Just finished this....
If you have not read it, I believe you would enjoy it.
norwegen
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Thanks. I'm not crazy about George Will, but I'll think about it.Our charter document asserts that by God - the Supreme Judge - the states are free and independent and that by that same God - divine Providence - the signers pledge their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor to effect this independence.
The most quoted source was the Bible. Established in the original writings of our Founding Fathers we find that they discovered in Isaiah 33:22 the three branches of government: Isaiah 33:22 “For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; he will save us.” Here we see the judicial, the legislative and the executive branches. In Ezra 7:24 we see where they established the tax exempt status of the church: Ezra 7:24 “Also we certify you, that touching any of the priests and Levites, singers, porters, Nethinims, or ministers of this house of God, it shall not be lawful to impose toll, tribute, or custom, upon them.”
When we look at our Constitution we see in Article 4 Section 4 that we are guaranteed a Republican form of government, that was found in Exodus 18
Roger Anghis -- Bring America Back To Her Religious Roots, Part 7
Bet you won't find this in the government school curriculum, huh?
Christianity didn't end in 1776. It was one of four traditions that served as the fountainhead of the Americans' unwritten constitution that served to garrison their written one.
Just finished this....
If you have not read it, I believe you would enjoy it.
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This is the part where Winger tries that "this is the part" bit.
Perhaps his wisest defense.
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What is the reference to Jesus?
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Thanks. I'm not crazy about George Will, but I'll think about it.Our charter document asserts that by God - the Supreme Judge - the states are free and independent and that by that same God - divine Providence - the signers pledge their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor to effect this independence.
The most quoted source was the Bible. Established in the original writings of our Founding Fathers we find that they discovered in Isaiah 33:22 the three branches of government: Isaiah 33:22 “For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; he will save us.” Here we see the judicial, the legislative and the executive branches. In Ezra 7:24 we see where they established the tax exempt status of the church: Ezra 7:24 “Also we certify you, that touching any of the priests and Levites, singers, porters, Nethinims, or ministers of this house of God, it shall not be lawful to impose toll, tribute, or custom, upon them.”
When we look at our Constitution we see in Article 4 Section 4 that we are guaranteed a Republican form of government, that was found in Exodus 18
Roger Anghis -- Bring America Back To Her Religious Roots, Part 7
Bet you won't find this in the government school curriculum, huh?
Christianity didn't end in 1776. It was one of four traditions that served as the fountainhead of the Americans' unwritten constitution that served to garrison their written one.
Just finished this....
If you have not read it, I believe you would enjoy it.
Me, too....he is a Never-Trumper.
But the book is excellent.
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What or where?
Both:
Article Seven....
Article VII
The Ratification of the Conventions of nine States, shall be sufficient for the Establishment of this Constitution between the States so ratifying the Same.
Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth In Witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names,
Go. Washington—Presidt.
And deputy from Virginia
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6. From the French Revolution on, the doctrines of Rousseau, Hegel, and Marx, have demanded that religion be erased from the public arena and from government policy.
It is not necessary to look back to Nazi Germany, or Bolshevik Russia. Melanie Phillips writes of a comparable uprising occurring right now in a nation that has lost traditional faith.
“… preventing Britain from facing up to Islamist extremism even after the London bombings. This was a profound reluctance among the official class—the senior civil servants who run the country and the intelligence world that guards it—to acknowledge the true nature of the threat. Crucially, these officials appeared incapable of recognizing that behind the terror lay an ideology whose grip extended far beyond those who were actually engaged in terrorism. They did not grasp that this had created a hysterical communal fervor made up of grievance, victimization and paranoia in the holy cause of defending God against the infidels, which was swelling the sea in which terrorism swam.” “Londonistan,” p. 166
I’d bet that government school never mentions that the Bible is the most quoted source of knowledge by our Founders, and its influence can be found throughout our founding documents.
It is not necessary to look back to Nazi Germany, or Bolshevik Russia. Melanie Phillips writes of a comparable uprising occurring right now in a nation that has lost traditional faith.
“… preventing Britain from facing up to Islamist extremism even after the London bombings. This was a profound reluctance among the official class—the senior civil servants who run the country and the intelligence world that guards it—to acknowledge the true nature of the threat. Crucially, these officials appeared incapable of recognizing that behind the terror lay an ideology whose grip extended far beyond those who were actually engaged in terrorism. They did not grasp that this had created a hysterical communal fervor made up of grievance, victimization and paranoia in the holy cause of defending God against the infidels, which was swelling the sea in which terrorism swam.” “Londonistan,” p. 166
I’d bet that government school never mentions that the Bible is the most quoted source of knowledge by our Founders, and its influence can be found throughout our founding documents.
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