Regulators are getting more ridiculous

[Toro]

I'm all for this.

Consumers can make more informed decisions if they understand the health content of their meals.

I'm not big on the government interfering in the economy, but one of the best things the government can do is to provide laws that give consumers more information.

Then do that in Canada and leave us alone.

I'm an American citizen who has lived in the United States for 20 years.

And the US has been leading the world on food labeling. The US did it first. Canada followed.

 

[Marion Morrison]

We love listening to John B. Wells daily reports when we can. The May 5, report tells us about new restaurant menu regulations requirements. Now I don't eat out very often but I sure wouldn't expect a restaurant to tell me how many calories are in the food I am going to order. Ribs are fattening, salad isn't. How stupid is the current generation? Or is it merely the people in the regulatory agencies pulling this type of crap? A small mom and pop business is being made nearly impossible to maintain due to this type crap such as menu calorie expectations. Does anyone else think this is being done on purpose to discourage small business enterprises like lil' home town restaurants?

It's about 11 minutes into the report

That's pretty ridiculous, especially when portion sizes can vary and whatnot.

 

[Iceweasel]

I don't like government overreach either, but we as a nation are too fat. It would be one thing if we had decent health insurance and real options of healthy food, but we don't. Good tasting food is almost like a drug, it triggers brain senses that make you addicted to it. Perhaps we shouldn't "ban" unhealthy food, but instead require restaurants to sell a wide range of healthy, natural options.

Sounds like you are a professional victim. I eat healthy, why can't you? Addicted to junk food and it's someone else's fault? Maybe they should outlaw it because you can't control yourself.

Restaurants make food for taste, not health. It even sounds like porn when they describe the meal, I don't know whether to eat it or screw it.

 

[depotoo]

Since when has personal responsibility become such a thing of the past?
If the govt keeps stepping in and doing all our work, we will no longer need to use the brain the good Lord gave us. Will people continue to make some bad decisions without govt interference? Of course. But they must live with it themselves.

This country was based on the very principles of freedom from excessive govt interference, which is what made it so great. Not on it babysitting us. And the more they do the less self reliable we become.


Ever heard of free will?

 

[martybegan]

I'm all for this.

Consumers can make more informed decisions if they understand the health content of their meals.

I'm not big on the government interfering in the economy, but one of the best things the government can do is to provide laws that give consumers more information.

The issue is how do you assure that the restaurant makes each portion exactly the same with the exact values of ingredients?

What happens when some guy in a pizzeria puts 3 extra pepperoni on a pizza? or if you get 5/8 of a cup of gravy on your fries instead of 1/2 a cup?

Restaurants are worried they will be fined or even sued if their menu calorie counts are off by even a small margin.

 

[Iceweasel]

I'm all for this.

Consumers can make more informed decisions if they understand the health content of their meals.

I'm not big on the government interfering in the economy, but one of the best things the government can do is to provide laws that give consumers more information.

The issue is how do you assure that the restaurant makes each portion exactly the same with the exact values of ingredients?

What happens when some guy in a pizzeria puts 3 extra pepperoni on a pizza? or if you get 5/8 of a cup of gravy on your fries instead of 1/2 a cup?

Restaurants are worried they will be fined or even sued if their menu calorie counts are off by even a small margin.

The only solution is for government to take over the restaurant business. The Federal Department of Hamburgers will assure you of all currently known data, along with the appropriate warnings and portion control.

 

[martybegan]

I'm all for this.

Consumers can make more informed decisions if they understand the health content of their meals.

Most people I know who are health conscious eat at home.

The government required labeling on all food sold in grocery stores more than a decade ago. This allows consumers to make better choices.

The market should be allowed to work. But as every student in the first class of Economics 101 knows, the market works best when people have as much information as they need to make an informed decision. The market works less well when one party to the transaction has asymmetric information over the other. There is too much regulation, but the best government regulation is regulation that makes the market work better. Food labeling is an example.

When people buy food, they often aren't making rational choices since choices are often driven by deep-rooted physiological and psychological impulses. That's why food companies spend tens of billions of dollars a year on marketing and product-testing, often at the detriment to our health. Giving people more information helps them make more rational and better choices.

As I stated before the issue is one of proper calculation, Packaged/canned food is created via mechanization, where they can be confident the exact same amount of each ingredient is added and their label information is accurate.

Asking a restaurant to weigh every single thing they put in, then weigh each portion as it is served is kind of ridiculous.

And this is coming form someone on weight watchers, who needs to know these things to track accurately. The thing is I know some places are doing the best they can, and I don't hold them to some high crazy standard.

The problem is we are a country of litigious assholes, and you know someone is going to sue these companies/establishments the second one of their calorie counts is off.

 

[martybegan]

I'm all for this.

Consumers can make more informed decisions if they understand the health content of their meals.

I'm not big on the government interfering in the economy, but one of the best things the government can do is to provide laws that give consumers more information.

The issue is how do you assure that the restaurant makes each portion exactly the same with the exact values of ingredients?

What happens when some guy in a pizzeria puts 3 extra pepperoni on a pizza? or if you get 5/8 of a cup of gravy on your fries instead of 1/2 a cup?

Restaurants are worried they will be fined or even sued if their menu calorie counts are off by even a small margin.

The only solution is for government to take over the restaurant business. The Federal Department of Hamburgers will assure you of all currently known data, along with the appropriate warnings and portion control.

And you will only get 90% lean beef in your burger, your burger will be charred to 180 degrees, and no more than 1/2 tsp of ketchup.

 

[depotoo]

Yep, sounds like the hidden agenda had to do with forcing further institutional purchases of food. Wonder who sells and lobbies for controlled portions?

I'm all for this.

Consumers can make more informed decisions if they understand the health content of their meals.

I'm not big on the government interfering in the economy, but one of the best things the government can do is to provide laws that give consumers more information.

The issue is how do you assure that the restaurant makes each portion exactly the same with the exact values of ingredients?

What happens when some guy in a pizzeria puts 3 extra pepperoni on a pizza? or if you get 5/8 of a cup of gravy on your fries instead of 1/2 a cup?

Restaurants are worried they will be fined or even sued if their menu calorie counts are off by even a small margin.

 

[martybegan]

Yep, sounds like the hidden agenda had to do with forcing further institutional purchases of food. Wonder who sells and lobbies for controlled portions?

I'm all for this.

Consumers can make more informed decisions if they understand the health content of their meals.

I'm not big on the government interfering in the economy, but one of the best things the government can do is to provide laws that give consumers more information.

The issue is how do you assure that the restaurant makes each portion exactly the same with the exact values of ingredients?

What happens when some guy in a pizzeria puts 3 extra pepperoni on a pizza? or if you get 5/8 of a cup of gravy on your fries instead of 1/2 a cup?

Restaurants are worried they will be fined or even sued if their menu calorie counts are off by even a small margin.

I think it has less to do with institutional food, and more to do with keeping tort lawyers fully employed.

 

[depotoo]

You are probably right. Lawyers are the, well.... you know what I mean. Lol

Yep, sounds like the hidden agenda had to do with forcing further institutional purchases of food. Wonder who sells and lobbies for controlled portions?

I'm all for this.

Consumers can make more informed decisions if they understand the health content of their meals.

I'm not big on the government interfering in the economy, but one of the best things the government can do is to provide laws that give consumers more information.

The issue is how do you assure that the restaurant makes each portion exactly the same with the exact values of ingredients?

What happens when some guy in a pizzeria puts 3 extra pepperoni on a pizza? or if you get 5/8 of a cup of gravy on your fries instead of 1/2 a cup?

Restaurants are worried they will be fined or even sued if their menu calorie counts are off by even a small margin.

I think it has less to do with institutional food, and more to do with keeping tort lawyers fully employed.

 

[RodISHI]

What I find disturbing is how I can't order 40mg Nexium from another country because it's illegal, and also because for some reason I need an Rx here that my insurance company wouldn't pay for anyways. But hey, that 20 mg is okay to be purchased off the shelf.

Why not try to find out what is causing the acid reflux and try cure it instead of just treat it? That is a huge problem docs are not taught to cure only treat.

Because the cure is thousands of dollars, and like with all other surgery, not a sure thing.

Who said anything about surgery. This is what I got my mom to help her crystallized Ginger. For myself I cook fresh in honey and keep it in the fridge eating a lil bit several times a day. Have your doctors checked you for parasites like blastocystis, giardia, cryptosporidia and others that cause gastric issues and peptic ulcers? They are very common and chlorination does not generally kill these plus they can be in veggies and some just through eating something prepared by someone with the issue.

My esophagus was badly damaged by chemical exposure. I spent years not being able to hold food down. I would have asthma attacks continually and the esophagus was so bad that the acid in my stomach continually came up and kept my false vocal cords inflamed (even sitting up straight), thus I couldn't talk worth a hoot to where people could understand what I was saying. My lungs were also damaged, plus kidneys, etc. I started self study several years ago determined to find something more that would help or I knew I wouldn't survive it all. Couldn't get insurance of any kind or medicaid, the employer and the state screwed me over and refused care (long story). Anyhow long trip through the process of healing but I no longer throw up all through the night, voice is near normal and lungs have began to rebuild, all with herbs, vitamins, oils and diet. The extra sixty pounds that came on immediately after the accident and never went away until I started detoxing are almost all gone now.

It's simply just a hiatal hernia that causes it. Your solution isn't a permanent fix and requires jumping through hoops.

The chemicals damaged the esophagus in my case where it doesn't close off like it should so it was not a matter of a hernia. It's been a trip through restoration for me. Every cell in the bod is capable of repairing its self. If they weren't cuts and broken bones would never be able to heal themselves.

My son and my dad both had hiatal hernia's. Dad's was a combination of chemical intake from environment and parasites like I mentioned above. Parasites are more prevalent with chemical overload in the environment and they get into the water systems. Son's was diagnosed when he was a child. He'd had it since he was a baby, it was most likely caused by damage from the tubes from the full life support he was on for several days and we didn't have a doctor that actually took the time to find it with x-rays until later.

 

[RodISHI]

Yep, sounds like the hidden agenda had to do with forcing further institutional purchases of food. Wonder who sells and lobbies for controlled portions?

I'm all for this.

Consumers can make more informed decisions if they understand the health content of their meals.

I'm not big on the government interfering in the economy, but one of the best things the government can do is to provide laws that give consumers more information.

The issue is how do you assure that the restaurant makes each portion exactly the same with the exact values of ingredients?

What happens when some guy in a pizzeria puts 3 extra pepperoni on a pizza? or if you get 5/8 of a cup of gravy on your fries instead of 1/2 a cup?

Restaurants are worried they will be fined or even sued if their menu calorie counts are off by even a small margin.

I think it has less to do with institutional food, and more to do with keeping tort lawyers fully employed.

I think you probably have both involved heavily in making everyone else miserable with their crap. We can't sue when we should be able to but they do all this frivolous shit to make it difficult to survive as a small enterprise.

 

[RodISHI]

I'm all for this.

Consumers can make more informed decisions if they understand the health content of their meals.

I'm not big on the government interfering in the economy, but one of the best things the government can do is to provide laws that give consumers more information.

Then do that in Canada and leave us alone.

I'm an American citizen who has lived in the United States for 20 years.

And the US has been leading the world on food labeling. The US did it first. Canada followed.

Well don't buy anything that isn't labeled to your standards but leave the rest of us free to make our own choices on the matter.

 

[Bleipriester]

"Regulators are getting more ridiculous"

Who says that? The Crown?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

I don't like government overreach either, but we as a nation are too fat..

so you do like it when it does what you want?? That makes you a communist since most people like it when it does the one thing they really want. That's why politicians promise the moon to you, why we are $20 trillion in debt, why income is going down not up, and why Americans are smug complacent and lazy, thinking govt has got their backs. Its the opposite of what our Founders wanted, namely, freedom from govt.

 

[RodISHI]

"Regulators are getting more ridiculous"

Who says that? The Crown?

Well of course. Surely you have already heard that evil men makeup rules they have no intention of following themselves. Why do you think their tables get turned over and they are whipped and tossed from the temple? It is not because they play fair that is for sure.

 

[Slashsnake]

I don't like government overreach either, but we as a nation are too fat..

so you do like it when it does what you want?? That makes you a communist since most people like it when it does the one thing they really want. That's why politicians promise the moon to you, why we are $20 trillion in debt, why income is going down not up, and why Americans are smug complacent and lazy, thinking govt has got their backs. Its the opposite of what our Founders wanted, namely, freedom from govt.

That's funny, you don't know a thing about me, but you act like you do.

 

[Slashsnake]

I don't like government overreach either, but we as a nation are too fat. It would be one thing if we had decent health insurance and real options of healthy food, but we don't. Good tasting food is almost like a drug, it triggers brain senses that make you addicted to it. Perhaps we shouldn't "ban" unhealthy food, but instead require restaurants to sell a wide range of healthy, natural options.

Sounds like you are a professional victim. I eat healthy, why can't you? Addicted to junk food and it's someone else's fault? Maybe they should outlaw it because you can't control yourself.

Restaurants make food for taste, not health. It even sounds like porn when they describe the meal, I don't know whether to eat it or screw it.

Because I'm a single man who works a night shift job and wasn't taught to cook. I also don't like touching and cooking meat because I don't trust myself.

People should have choices when going out to eat, but hey, lets encourage obesity.

 

[Bleipriester]

"Regulators are getting more ridiculous"

Who says that? The Crown?

Well of course. Surely you have already heard that evil men makeup rules they have no intention of following themselves. Why do you think their tables get turned over and they are whipped and tossed from the temple? It is not because they play fair that is for sure.

Are they? Looks rather like Jesus is busy with something else these days.