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Ours doesn't seem to be working very well, I find much of the 2008 crash was due to crony capitalism, and now Obama's socialists policies are making the future of this country even worse by increasing our debt to exorbitant levels.
Is he increasing debt, or is the debt increasing because of previous obligations coming due? My understanding is that the only way debt increases is though deficit spending. Our deficit has been cut in half. What is he spending more on that doesn't increase the deficit?
To me it is basic math, I can understand spending increase in previous obligations the first years of his term, but the fact that he hasn't stopped that after 8 years tells me he doesn't really care about deficits and he cares more about social programs. To me that is a BIG MISTAKE in basic economics.
Again, the deficit has been cut in half during his presidency. He couldn't just stop paying the previously made bills. We are obligated to pay them. All he can do is reduce the number of new bills, which he has done more than any other recent president.
Ours doesn't seem to be working very well, I find much of the 2008 crash was due to crony capitalism, and now Obama's socialists policies are making the future of this country even worse by increasing our debt to exorbitant levels.
Is he increasing debt, or is the debt increasing because of previous obligations coming due? My understanding is that the only way debt increases is though deficit spending. Our deficit has been cut in half. What is he spending more on that doesn't increase the deficit?
To me it is basic math, I can understand spending increase in previous obligations the first years of his term, but the fact that he hasn't stopped that after 8 years tells me he doesn't really care about deficits and he cares more about social programs. To me that is a BIG MISTAKE in basic economics.
Again, the deficit has been cut in half during his presidency. He couldn't just stop paying the previously made bills. We are obligated to pay them. All he can do is reduce the number of new bills, which he has done more than any other recent president.
If you're saying it's been cut in half because he almost doubled Bush's last budget....I guess.
These are not previously made bills. These are the bills that have been laid down by appropriations bills HE signed. No appropriations bills...no money.
The only bills laid down by previous administrations are the interest on the debt.
Ours doesn't seem to be working very well, I find much of the 2008 crash was due to crony capitalism, and now Obama's socialists policies are making the future of this country even worse by increasing our debt to exorbitant levels.
Is he increasing debt, or is the debt increasing because of previous obligations coming due? My understanding is that the only way debt increases is though deficit spending. Our deficit has been cut in half. What is he spending more on that doesn't increase the deficit?
lol....
You people. Yeah, the deficit was cut in half..... AFTER he jacked it up to 1.4 Trillion. Hey, vote for me. I can blow up the deficit to 3 trillion, and then "Cut it in half!" down to 1.5 Trillion. Praise my amazing leadership. Do you not see how stupid that sounds?
And by the way, don't tell me "Obama didn't do that". Because he most certainly did. Obama voted in favor of the exact same spending bills, that Bush signed into the law. He is 100% a guilty as Bush on this issue. No excuses. Excuses are for children.
Ours doesn't seem to be working very well, I find much of the 2008 crash was due to crony capitalism, and now Obama's socialists policies are making the future of this country even worse by increasing our debt to exorbitant levels.
Is he increasing debt, or is the debt increasing because of previous obligations coming due? My understanding is that the only way debt increases is though deficit spending. Our deficit has been cut in half. What is he spending more on that doesn't increase the deficit?
To me it is basic math, I can understand spending increase in previous obligations the first years of his term, but the fact that he hasn't stopped that after 8 years tells me he doesn't really care about deficits and he cares more about social programs. To me that is a BIG MISTAKE in basic economics.
Again, the deficit has been cut in half during his presidency. He couldn't just stop paying the previously made bills. We are obligated to pay them. All he can do is reduce the number of new bills, which he has done more than any other recent president.
If you're saying it's been cut in half because he almost doubled Bush's last budget....I guess.
These are not previously made bills. These are the bills that have been laid down by appropriations bills HE signed. No appropriations bills...no money.
The only bills laid down by previous administrations are the interest on the debt.
No. The deficit has been cut in half. That includes the bills he signed into law. You really should look for documented facts instead of just believing all the right wing lies.
I believe in capitalism but not in crony capitalism. The system is not perfect at all but its the best we've got until now. Socialism's problem is that it goes against the basic human nature of personal gain. Socialism would work if personal gain was not our primary human motivator to grow and become better, but instead the betterment of the society as a whole. Unfortunately that is not real and thus socialism fails. What they say is true: "Socialism works until you run out of other people's money".
That's why most systems are a combination of the two. Neither system is workable if used exclusively.
Interesting, which systems can you name that are a combination?
Here are a few that most people would recognize
Ours doesn't seem to be working very well, I find much of the 2008 crash was due to crony capitalism, and now Obama's socialists policies are making the future of this country even worse by increasing our debt to exorbitant levels.
Is he increasing debt, or is the debt increasing because of previous obligations coming due? My understanding is that the only way debt increases is though deficit spending. Our deficit has been cut in half. What is he spending more on that doesn't increase the deficit?
To me it is basic math, I can understand spending increase in previous obligations the first years of his term, but the fact that he hasn't stopped that after 8 years tells me he doesn't really care about deficits and he cares more about social programs. To me that is a BIG MISTAKE in basic economics.
Again, the deficit has been cut in half during his presidency. He couldn't just stop paying the previously made bills. We are obligated to pay them. All he can do is reduce the number of new bills, which he has done more than any other recent president.
If you're saying it's been cut in half because he almost doubled Bush's last budget....I guess.
These are not previously made bills. These are the bills that have been laid down by appropriations bills HE signed. No appropriations bills...no money.
The only bills laid down by previous administrations are the interest on the debt.
No. The deficit has been cut in half. That includes the bills he signed into law. You really should look for documented facts instead of just believing all the right wing lies.
I believe in capitalism but not in crony capitalism. The system is not perfect at all but its the best we've got until now. Socialism's problem is that it goes against the basic human nature of personal gain. Socialism would work if personal gain was not our primary human motivator to grow and become better, but instead the betterment of the society as a whole. Unfortunately that is not real and thus socialism fails. What they say is true: "Socialism works until you run out of other people's money".
That's why most systems are a combination of the two. Neither system is workable if used exclusively.
Interesting, which systems can you name that are a combination?
Here are a few that most people would recognize
And where are all the problems in our economy? WIC, VA, Welfare, Public Schools, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Amtrak and so on.
You know where I don't see problems? Fuels, Food, Construction, Computers, Technology, and so on.
Odd... the areas that you point out as being socialized, have tons of problems, and are the center of all debate and controversy in the country... and the the areas that are not socialized, do not have any problems at all.
Coincidence I'm sure.
Is he increasing debt, or is the debt increasing because of previous obligations coming due? My understanding is that the only way debt increases is though deficit spending. Our deficit has been cut in half. What is he spending more on that doesn't increase the deficit?
To me it is basic math, I can understand spending increase in previous obligations the first years of his term, but the fact that he hasn't stopped that after 8 years tells me he doesn't really care about deficits and he cares more about social programs. To me that is a BIG MISTAKE in basic economics.
Again, the deficit has been cut in half during his presidency. He couldn't just stop paying the previously made bills. We are obligated to pay them. All he can do is reduce the number of new bills, which he has done more than any other recent president.
If you're saying it's been cut in half because he almost doubled Bush's last budget....I guess.
These are not previously made bills. These are the bills that have been laid down by appropriations bills HE signed. No appropriations bills...no money.
The only bills laid down by previous administrations are the interest on the debt.
No. The deficit has been cut in half. That includes the bills he signed into law. You really should look for documented facts instead of just believing all the right wing lies.
We are looking at the facts. You are the ignorant one here.
Obama signed the budget. It's his budget from the instant he signed it on.
Moreover, he voted in favor of the massive spending as Senator, before he was president. He voted for it, he owns it.
Even more, he has continued every single massive spending policy for years after Bush was gone. He continued it, it's now HIS policy.
I don't care how you look at it, or what mental gymnastics you jump and twist around it, Obama is 100% guilty. Only a brainless idiot would conclude otherwise.
Is redistribution of wealth, aided by social institutions, from the top down wrong, but from up from the lower strata to the top OK?
I believe in capitalism but not in crony capitalism. The system is not perfect at all but its the best we've got until now. Socialism's problem is that it goes against the basic human nature of personal gain. Socialism would work if personal gain was not our primary human motivator to grow and become better, but instead the betterment of the society as a whole. Unfortunately that is not real and thus socialism fails. What they say is true: "Socialism works until you run out of other people's money".
That's why most systems are a combination of the two. Neither system is workable if used exclusively.
Interesting, which systems can you name that are a combination?
Here are a few that most people would recognize
And where are all the problems in our economy? WIC, VA, Welfare, Public Schools, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Amtrak and so on.
You know where I don't see problems? Fuels, Food, Construction, Computers, Technology, and so on.
Odd... the areas that you point out as being socialized, have tons of problems, and are the center of all debate and controversy in the country... and the the areas that are not socialized, do not have any problems at all.
Coincidence I'm sure.
Sure they are, because the republicans are all for the give aways to most of the ones you listed. There is a profit component to them, so the companies involved can afford to buy politicians.
To me it is basic math, I can understand spending increase in previous obligations the first years of his term, but the fact that he hasn't stopped that after 8 years tells me he doesn't really care about deficits and he cares more about social programs. To me that is a BIG MISTAKE in basic economics.
Again, the deficit has been cut in half during his presidency. He couldn't just stop paying the previously made bills. We are obligated to pay them. All he can do is reduce the number of new bills, which he has done more than any other recent president.
If you're saying it's been cut in half because he almost doubled Bush's last budget....I guess.
These are not previously made bills. These are the bills that have been laid down by appropriations bills HE signed. No appropriations bills...no money.
The only bills laid down by previous administrations are the interest on the debt.
No. The deficit has been cut in half. That includes the bills he signed into law. You really should look for documented facts instead of just believing all the right wing lies.
We are looking at the facts. You are the ignorant one here.
Obama signed the budget. It's his budget from the instant he signed it on.
Moreover, he voted in favor of the massive spending as Senator, before he was president. He voted for it, he owns it.
Even more, he has continued every single massive spending policy for years after Bush was gone. He continued it, it's now HIS policy.
I don't care how you look at it, or what mental gymnastics you jump and twist around it, Obama is 100% guilty. Only a brainless idiot would conclude otherwise.
So how do you explain the deficit being cut in half?
All the arguing and banter for what? Game over. The corporations and big business get whatever they want. The rest get zilcho. Always been this way. Really took off when Reagan hit office.
That's why most systems are a combination of the two. Neither system is workable if used exclusively.
Interesting, which systems can you name that are a combination?
Here are a few that most people would recognize
And where are all the problems in our economy? WIC, VA, Welfare, Public Schools, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Amtrak and so on.
You know where I don't see problems? Fuels, Food, Construction, Computers, Technology, and so on.
Odd... the areas that you point out as being socialized, have tons of problems, and are the center of all debate and controversy in the country... and the the areas that are not socialized, do not have any problems at all.
Coincidence I'm sure.
Sure they are, because the republicans are all for the give aways to most of the ones you listed. There is a profit component to them, so the companies involved can afford to buy politicians.
Really? So all those threads on this forum supporting more government health care, are all written by Republicans? And VA? And Public Schools? All those people demanding vouchers, are all Democrats, and all those opposing it, are all Republicans? And all those threads about supporting the expansion of Amtrak are all GOP people?
Dumb claim. If you are going to post something wrong, at least a pick a claim that isn't so obviously false.
Again, the deficit has been cut in half during his presidency. He couldn't just stop paying the previously made bills. We are obligated to pay them. All he can do is reduce the number of new bills, which he has done more than any other recent president.
If you're saying it's been cut in half because he almost doubled Bush's last budget....I guess.
These are not previously made bills. These are the bills that have been laid down by appropriations bills HE signed. No appropriations bills...no money.
The only bills laid down by previous administrations are the interest on the debt.
No. The deficit has been cut in half. That includes the bills he signed into law. You really should look for documented facts instead of just believing all the right wing lies.
We are looking at the facts. You are the ignorant one here.
Obama signed the budget. It's his budget from the instant he signed it on.
Moreover, he voted in favor of the massive spending as Senator, before he was president. He voted for it, he owns it.
Even more, he has continued every single massive spending policy for years after Bush was gone. He continued it, it's now HIS policy.
I don't care how you look at it, or what mental gymnastics you jump and twist around it, Obama is 100% guilty. Only a brainless idiot would conclude otherwise.
So how do you explain the deficit being cut in half?
He jacked it up to $1.4 Trillion (or more), first. Anyone can cut the deficit in half, after you triple it to begin with.
Interesting, which systems can you name that are a combination?
Here are a few that most people would recognize
And where are all the problems in our economy? WIC, VA, Welfare, Public Schools, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Amtrak and so on.
You know where I don't see problems? Fuels, Food, Construction, Computers, Technology, and so on.
Odd... the areas that you point out as being socialized, have tons of problems, and are the center of all debate and controversy in the country... and the the areas that are not socialized, do not have any problems at all.
Coincidence I'm sure.
Sure they are, because the republicans are all for the give aways to most of the ones you listed. There is a profit component to them, so the companies involved can afford to buy politicians.
Really? So all those threads on this forum supporting more government health care, are all written by Republicans? And VA? And Public Schools? All those people demanding vouchers, are all Democrats, and all those opposing it, are all Republicans? And all those threads about supporting the expansion of Amtrak are all GOP people?
Dumb claim. If you are going to post something wrong, at least a pick a claim that isn't so obviously false.
As I said. republicans only support it if there is a private profit component. VA and public schools don't have that so republicans are generally opposed to spending on them. There is a profit component to healthcare, but it is much less than they would make if the insurance companies had free run like before, and the same with Amtrack. Without some private person or company making the highest profits possible, the right opposes it
If you're saying it's been cut in half because he almost doubled Bush's last budget....I guess.
These are not previously made bills. These are the bills that have been laid down by appropriations bills HE signed. No appropriations bills...no money.
The only bills laid down by previous administrations are the interest on the debt.
No. The deficit has been cut in half. That includes the bills he signed into law. You really should look for documented facts instead of just believing all the right wing lies.
We are looking at the facts. You are the ignorant one here.
Obama signed the budget. It's his budget from the instant he signed it on.
Moreover, he voted in favor of the massive spending as Senator, before he was president. He voted for it, he owns it.
Even more, he has continued every single massive spending policy for years after Bush was gone. He continued it, it's now HIS policy.
I don't care how you look at it, or what mental gymnastics you jump and twist around it, Obama is 100% guilty. Only a brainless idiot would conclude otherwise.
So how do you explain the deficit being cut in half?
He jacked it up to $1.4 Trillion (or more), first. Anyone can cut the deficit in half, after you triple it to begin with.
He didn't have time to increase it as fast as it increased. The rocket like rise at the very first of his presidency was the result of the previous administration's mis-management.
