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Only a few dozen murdered in your fine city last night!
Let more violent felons out of prison then!
We have 39,000 gun deaths a year in this country... Chicago isn't even the worst. (St. Louis, Detroit, Cleveland- all much worse)

You guys have decided that is acceptable... don't come whining to me when it happens.
 

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Only a few dozen murdered in your fine city last night!
Let more violent felons out of prison then!
We have 39,000 gun deaths a year in this country... Chicago isn't even the worst. (St. Louis, Detroit, Cleveland- all much worse)

You guys have decided that is acceptable... don't come whining to me when it happens.

Again, you lie by omission......2019... gun murder 10,258. 70-80% of those murdered are criminals involved in criminal activity, and he majority of the rest are friends and family caught in the crossfire of criminals shooting at each other...

The rest are suicides....


2018, last year of reporting...

FBI gun murders...10,445

Gun suicides? 24,432.......

Number of times Americans used their legal guns to save lives...according to the Centers for Disease Control....1.1 million, average each year....


 

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Leftists don't want Americans safe from criminals. They want Americans defenseless against leftist tyranny.
Frankly, you people scare most of us more than the government...

12 million innocent men, women and children murdered by the German socialists in Europe.....if you add up all the gun murder in the U.S. since 1939, you don't come close to that number........then throw in the Russians murdering another 25 or more million, and the Chinese murdering another 70 or more million, and your fear of legal gun owners vs. the government is just stupid....
He thinks he'll be given a big corner office and a seat on the Politburo, deciding who gets murdered by the government.

Communists are stupid.
 
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Only a few dozen murdered in your fine city last night!
Let more violent felons out of prison then!
We have 39,000 gun deaths a year in this country... Chicago isn't even the worst. (St. Louis, Detroit, Cleveland- all much worse)

You guys have decided that is acceptable... don't come whining to me when it happens.
Yes, Democrat controlled regions do lead the nation in murder.
But keep letting violent felons out of prison early, where 80% will again commit more crime.
 

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It's simple. Leave us alone, and we'll leave you alone.

But you don't want to leave us alone, do you?
Except you don't leave us alone. We have mass shootings, we have workplaces and schools locked down like fortresses because one you nuts might go off any day. We have trigger happy cops because they go out on the street terrified the guy they pulled over for speeding might be one of you gun nuts who ain't gonna take none of you gummit types telling him how to drive!!!
Those are criminals, you Commie retard. You know -- the people you want law-abiding Americans defenseless from.

Be honest for once and admit you want people helpless against your totalitarianism.
 

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I think you're right, Dave.

Guns make people free.

Crime and defenselessness make people fearful, more easily controlled and more in need of government help, dependence and programs.
Uh, guy, we send out kids to schools with metal detectors and bullet proof backpacks, and Active Shooter Drills are a thing.

At our workplaces, we have to contend with security guards, CCTV, key-cards all designed to protect us from that disgruntled employee who comes in with a gun.

We have cops who are pretty much shooting 1000 Americans a year because they are so terrified they might have guns.

When does all this "Freedom" start, exactly?
This is an interesting question
When does all this "Freedom" start, exactly?
You mentioned the workplace the only freedom you have at the workplace is leave other than that you are at the dictates of your employer
Back when I was in school it was common to see rifles hanging from truck rear windows. We also had firearms training

Cops shooting people in fear thinking they have a gun? Do you want to provide some stats on that opinion of yours?
So basically you are giving a false narrative about losing freedoms
He wants to take away our freedoms so we don't lose our freedoms.

Commies are stupid.
 

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1939 through 1945 the socialists in Germany murdered around 12 million innocent men, women and children...these are not war dead, they are people rounded up and murdered...
And Europe had a shitload of guns that didn't stop a one of them.

Hey, they had an armed uprising in Warsaw... and managed to kill a whopping 19 Nazis before 56,000 of them were sent of to explore new career opportunities as bars of soap and lampshades.

Guns don't protect anyone from massacres, buddy. When governments go bad, it's usually to the massive approval of their people. Guns do make civilian life a lot more uncomfortable, because the rest of us have to work our lives around your fetish. .

Wrong.....the countries of Europe disarmed their people after WW1....you doofus.....in particular the Jews and political enemies of the joe biden voters....I mean brown shirts......in Germany.....

And you lie about the Warsaw Ghetto...they didn't have enough guns, and they tied up massive numbers of German troops.....had they had the same number of guns we have in the U.S. there would have been no way to put those people on train cars to death camps....dittos stopping the war, since Germany could not have held the territory they captured....as Switzerland shows us....

The Warsaw Ghetto uprising......had they actually been as well armed as the Swiss, had all the peoples in Europe been as well armed as the Swiss, the Germans could never have held the territory they captured......that is what armed citizens do...they discourage aggression...

There were 13,000 Jews killed in the uprising...unarmed......if those 13,000 had rifles, the outcome would have been a lot worse for the Germans.....and had that taken place in every country......World War 2 would have been very different...

A German force was tiny compared to 50,000 Jews.....and yet because they were unarmed...that tiny German force was able to destroy them...


By his own words, Stroop reported that after he took command on 19 April 1943 the forces at his disposal totaled 31 officers and 1,262 men:[51]

Warsaw Ghetto Uprising - Wikipedia


Marek Edelman, who was the only surviving uprising commander from the left-wing ŻOB, stated that the ŻOB had 220 fighters and each was armed with a handgun, grenades, and Molotov cocktails. His organization had three rifles in each area, as well as two land mines and one submachine gun.[20][21][22][23] Due to its socialist leanings, the Soviets promoted the actions of ŻOB as the dominant or only party in the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, a view often adopted by secondary sources in the West.[18]

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Stroop Report original caption: "Bandits jump to escape capture." A man leaps to his death from the top story window of an apartment block. Taken at 23 and 25 Niska Street[67]
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Plaque commemorating Home Armysoldiers - Eugeniusz Morawski ps. "Młodek" and Józef Wilk ps. "Orlik" killed during the Ghetto Action on the wall Church of St. John of God at ul. Bonifraterska 12 in Warsaw.
13,000 Jews were killed in the ghetto during the uprising (some 6,000 among them were burnt alive or died from smoke inhalation). Of the remaining 50,000 residents, most were captured and shipped to concentration and extermination camps, in particular to Treblinka.

Jürgen Stroop's internal SS daily report for Friedrich Krüger, written on 16 May 1943, stated:

180 Jews, bandits and sub-humans, were destroyed. The former Jewish quarter of Warsaw is no longer in existence. The large-scale action was terminated at 20:15 hours by blowing up the Warsaw Synagogue. ... Total number of Jews dealt with 56,065, including both Jews caught and Jews whose extermination can be proved. ... Apart from 8 buildings (police barracks, hospital, and accommodations for housing working-parties) the former Ghetto is completely destroyed. Only the dividing walls are left standing where no explosions were carried out.[42]

According to the casualty lists in Stroop's report, German forces suffered a total of 110 casualties – 17 dead (of whom 16 were killed in action) and 93 injured – of whom 101 are listed by name, including over 60 members of the Waffen-SS. These figures did not include Jewish collaborators, but did include the "Trawniki men" and Polish police under his command. The real number of German losses, however, may be well higher (the Germans suffered about 300 casualties by Edelman's estimate). For propaganda purposes, the official announcement claimed the German casualties to be only a few wounded, while propaganda bulletins of the Polish Underground Stateannounced that hundreds of occupiers had been killed in the fighting.
 

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Is that why Democrats release violent felons from prison early? Your concern about crime?
Is that why Democrats want to disband police, your concern for crime?
Is that why Democrats riot and murder, your concern about crime?
We lock up 2 million people. Other industrialized nations lock up less than 100,000. We have another 7 million on probation or parole. If locking up people was an answer... we'd be there.

Nobody wants to disband the police, just reform them and get the corrupt racists off the street.

Most of the demonstrations have been peaceful, and probably wouldn't have happened at all if Trump hadn't wrecked the economy.
Stupid excuse for Democrats letting violent felons loose on the streets to prey upon families.
Do the crime, do the time.
"OH AND BY THE WAY VOTE FOR THE GUY WHO WROTE THE LAW TO PUT SO MANY BLACK PEOPLE IN JAIL AND HIS RUNNING MATE WHO USED TO THE LAW TO PUT BLACK PEOPLE IN PRISON!"
 

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1939 through 1945 the socialists in Germany murdered around 12 million innocent men, women and children...these are not war dead, they are people rounded up and murdered...
And Europe had a shitload of guns that didn't stop a one of them.

Hey, they had an armed uprising in Warsaw... and managed to kill a whopping 19 Nazis before 56,000 of them were sent of to explore new career opportunities as bars of soap and lampshades.

Guns don't protect anyone from massacres, buddy. When governments go bad, it's usually to the massive approval of their people. Guns do make civilian life a lot more uncomfortable, because the rest of us have to work our lives around your fetish. .

And more......they held off the joe biden voters.........I mean the German socialists, for 4 months with a hand full of guns...imagine 50,000 people with rifles and pistols.......then make that the entire country, then the continent.....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/10/16/alan-steinweiss-bad-history/

Well, the point of the Uprising wasn’t to save the lives of the participants; they knew that they were almost certain to die to no matter what. They tied down Nazi forces for over fourth months — whereas the French and Polish armies had been unable to resist the Nazi invaders for even two months.
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Aggressive use of the Wiemar and the 1938 statutes was not the only form of Nazi gun control. The first years of the Nazi regime were dedicated toGleichschaltung (“forcing into line”) — to suppress any aspect of civil society which might offer resistance. That is why the Nazis required that every gun club and every hunting club submit to the supervision of a Nazi political officer. Some clubs disbanded rather than comply.
Pointing out that Jews constituted less than one percent of the German population, Professor Steinweis says that “It is preposterous to argue that the possession of firearms would have enabled them to mount resistance against a systematic program of persecution implemented by a modern bureaucracy, enforced by a well-armed police state, and either supported or tolerated by the majority of Germans…Inside Germany, only the army possessed the physical force necessary for defying or overthrowing the Nazis…” But that is the point! Using gun licensing and gun registration laws enacted by a democratic government, the Nazis by 1938 had disarmed everyone who was not a certified supporter of the regime. Once everyone except the pro-Nazis was disarmed, only the German Officer Corps had the ability to overthrow Hitler, and they did not choose to act. The point of the Second Amendment, as Dr. Carson rightly said, is that obstructing tyranny should not hang on the fragile thread of military good will.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...e-warsaw-ghetto-uprising-armed-jews-vs-nazis/
 
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Is that why Democrats release violent felons from prison early? Your concern about crime?
Is that why Democrats want to disband police, your concern for crime?
Is that why Democrats riot and murder, your concern about crime?
We lock up 2 million people. Other industrialized nations lock up less than 100,000. We have another 7 million on probation or parole. If locking up people was an answer... we'd be there.

Nobody wants to disband the police, just reform them and get the corrupt racists off the street.

Most of the demonstrations have been peaceful, and probably wouldn't have happened at all if Trump hadn't wrecked the economy.
Stupid excuse for Democrats letting violent felons loose on the streets to prey upon families.
Do the crime, do the time.
"OH AND BY THE WAY VOTE FOR THE GUY WHO WROTE THE LAW TO PUT SO MANY BLACK PEOPLE IN JAIL AND HIS RUNNING MATE WHO USED TO THE LAW TO PUT BLACK PEOPLE IN PRISON!"
Not black people. PREDATORS BEYOND THE PALE
 

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This is an interesting question
When does all this "Freedom" start, exactly?
You mentioned the workplace the only freedom you have at the workplace is leave other than that you are at the dictates of your employer
Quite the contrary... work is unpleasant, or they wouldn't have to pay you to do it. But there's really no good reason why we have to lock down our workplaces like fortresses because management lives in fear that one disgruntled employee might do what THIS guy did.




Back when I was in school it was common to see rifles hanging from truck rear windows. We also had firearms training
Really? Frankly, I went to school back in the 1970's, never saw a rifle hanging from the back of a window at school. Or anyone who came to school in a truck, for that matter.

Cops shooting people in fear thinking they have a gun? Do you want to provide some stats on that opinion of yours?

1536 people are shot by police in the US in 2019
in the United Kingdom, it was 2 people.
In Germany, they shoot it was 11 in 2018. (And Germany actually allows some private gun ownership, it's just not a "Right")
Japan is so low it barely rates.

So basically you are giving a false narrative about losing freedoms
No, I'm pointing out that we tolerate a lot of stuff other "Free" countries wouldn't tolerate to accommedate gun fetishists and a gun industry that is massively greedy.
Remember, kids, people who are killed by guns are way more deader than people killed with other weapons.

you shot him do something about guns.jpg
 

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Stupid excuse for Democrats letting violent felons loose on the streets to prey upon families.
Do the crime, do the time.
Except we lock up 2 million people and most of them AREN'T violent offenders. This is what you don't seem to get.

You’re an idiot who believes what MSM feeds you.
Naw, man, what's really changed my mind over the years, besides my personal experiences of realizing that the GOP doesn't have my back as a working person, is discussions on boards like this one with right wingers...

We have people threatening violence if Trump loses...

I never heard anyone threaten violence when it looked like Bob Dole was going to lose.
Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, and the entire Democratic Party are threatening violence if Trump wins.

You probably should just shut up now.
 

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Is that why Democrats release violent felons from prison early? Your concern about crime?
Is that why Democrats want to disband police, your concern for crime?
Is that why Democrats riot and murder, your concern about crime?
We lock up 2 million people. Other industrialized nations lock up less than 100,000. We have another 7 million on probation or parole. If locking up people was an answer... we'd be there.

Nobody wants to disband the police, just reform them and get the corrupt racists off the street.

Most of the demonstrations have been peaceful, and probably wouldn't have happened at all if Trump hadn't wrecked the economy.
Stupid excuse for Democrats letting violent felons loose on the streets to prey upon families.
Do the crime, do the time.
"OH AND BY THE WAY VOTE FOR THE GUY WHO WROTE THE LAW TO PUT SO MANY BLACK PEOPLE IN JAIL AND HIS RUNNING MATE WHO USED TO THE LAW TO PUT BLACK PEOPLE IN PRISON!"
Not black people. PREDATORS BEYOND THE PALE
Predators from the racial jungle!
 

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Only a few dozen murdered in your fine city last night!
Let more violent felons out of prison then!
We have 39,000 gun deaths a year in this country... Chicago isn't even the worst. (St. Louis, Detroit, Cleveland- all much worse)

You guys have decided that is acceptable... don't come whining to me when it happens.
Abortion supporters really shouldn't pretend to care about human life.

Hell, you don't even give a shit about black-on-black crime in your own city.
 

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Is that why Democrats release violent felons from prison early? Your concern about crime?
Is that why Democrats want to disband police, your concern for crime?
Is that why Democrats riot and murder, your concern about crime?
We lock up 2 million people. Other industrialized nations lock up less than 100,000. We have another 7 million on probation or parole. If locking up people was an answer... we'd be there.

Nobody wants to disband the police, just reform them and get the corrupt racists off the street.

Most of the demonstrations have been peaceful, and probably wouldn't have happened at all if Trump hadn't wrecked the economy.

Moron, the democrat party is releasing violent gun offenders over and over again.....those are the criminals shooting people in democrat party controlled cities......not normal gun owners who own guns for self defense, sport, collecting and target shooting....you doofus.
 

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I think you're right, Dave.

Guns make people free.

Crime and defenselessness make people fearful, more easily controlled and more in need of government help, dependence and programs.
Uh, guy, we send out kids to schools with metal detectors and bullet proof backpacks, and Active Shooter Drills are a thing.

At our workplaces, we have to contend with security guards, CCTV, key-cards all designed to protect us from that disgruntled employee who comes in with a gun.

We have cops who are pretty much shooting 1000 Americans a year because they are so terrified they might have guns.

When does all this "Freedom" start, exactly?

Moron........

We have a country of over 320 million people.

We had a total of 10 mass public shootings in 2019 with a total number of deaths 76..........out of 320 million people......

And if those criminals would stop attacking police they wouldn't get shot....you dumb ass...
 

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1939 through 1945 the socialists in Germany murdered around 12 million innocent men, women and children...these are not war dead, they are people rounded up and murdered...
And Europe had a shitload of guns that didn't stop a one of them.

Hey, they had an armed uprising in Warsaw... and managed to kill a whopping 19 Nazis before 56,000 of them were sent of to explore new career opportunities as bars of soap and lampshades.

Guns don't protect anyone from massacres, buddy. When governments go bad, it's usually to the massive approval of their people. Guns do make civilian life a lot more uncomfortable, because the rest of us have to work our lives around your fetish. .

Had the rest of Europe been as well armed as Switzerland, there wouldn't have been WW2...the joe biden voters.......I mean German socialists......wouldn't have been able to hold the territory...

THE SWISS WERE PREPARED TO FIGHT FACISM TO THE BITTER END | FRONTLINE | PBS

That is why the Nazis despised Switzerland. Joseph Goebbels called Switzerland "this stinking little state" where "sentiment has turned very much against us." Adolf Hitler decided that "all the rubbish of small nations still existing in Europe must be liquidated," even if it meant he would later "be attacked as the 'Butcher of the Swiss.'"

The 1940 Nazi invasion plan, Operation Tannenbaum, was not executed, and SS Oberst Hermann Bohme's 1943 memorandum warned that an invasion of Switzerland would be too costly because every man was armed and trained to shoot. This did not stop the Gestapo from preparing lists of Swiss to be liquidated once the Nazis overran the country.

The other European nations were easily toppled and had little means to wage a partisan war against the occupation. Once their standing armies were defeated, the governments capitulated and the populaces were defenseless.

Only in Switzerland was the entire populace armed and prepared to wage a relentless guerrilla war against an invader. When the war began in 1939, Switzerland mobilized 435,000 citizen soldiers out of a population of 4.2 million. Production figures for Swiss service rifles, which had firepower equal to those of the Germans, demonstrate an ample supply of small arms. Swiss militiamen were instructed to disregard any alleged "official" surrender as enemy propaganda and, if necessary, to fight individually. This meant that a nation of sharpshooters would be sniping at German soldiers at long ranges from every mountain.

While neutral, Switzerland was prepared to fight a Nazi invasion to the end. The celebrated Swiss Gen. Henri Guisan developed the strategy known as defense du reduit--an initial opposition followed by a retreat into the Alps, where a relentless war to the death would be waged. Most Swiss strongly opposed Nazism. Death sentences were issued for fifth-column activities, and proclamations against anti-Semitism were passed at various official levels. There was no Holocaust on Swiss soil, something that can not be said for France, the Netherlands, Poland or most of Europe.
 

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Had the rest of Europe been as well armed as Switzerland, there wouldn't have been WW2...the joe biden voters.......I mean German socialists......wouldn't have been able to hold the territory...
Switzerland wasn't invaded because they were the Nazi's bankers... There was no good reason TO invade it.

The Axis didn't invade countries for fun.. they did each invasion for a specific reason.
 

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