Record Number of Carry Permits in U.S.

[2aguy]

The keeping and bearing of arms is a tradition dating back to our founding and has always been recognized.

So where slavery and the genocide of Native Americans...

That doesn't make it a good idea.

Actually, the tradition is kind of a lie. Most Americans didn't own guns, which were expensive and didn't really have a practical use.

The reason why the NRA was founded was because Americans didn't know shit about guns, and it showed in the Civil War.

There was no genocide against Native Americans...unless you mean the genocide by the Mayans and the Aztecs against other indians....

Yes....most Americans at the founding owned guns....you were shown the truth and duly embarrassed when you claimed you cited Michael Bellesiles as your source for your false information.......

Nothing you believe is true....nothing you say is true......you don't know what you are talking about....the truth, facts and reality do not support anything you say...

 

[2aguy]

This is very clear. He also believes that citizens are not constitutionally allowed to own firearms, and the founders intent is it was only for militias, in spite of the USSC stating differently.

Well, if it wasn't then it wouldn't have taken the USSC 200 years to make that determination.

It took 200 years because morons who think like you didn't come along until just recently....up till then, normal people understood that Free People have the right to protect themselves from criminals and an out of control government. Then sick morons like you came along who enjoy being slaves, and enjoy the thought of sending your fellow Americans to gulags and deaths camps, so the USSC had to come in and bitch slap you with the reality that the 2nd Amendment means Americans can own and carry guns....you dumb twit.

 

[Polishprince]

The keeping and bearing of arms is a tradition dating back to our founding and has always been recognized.

So where slavery and the genocide of Native Americans...

That doesn't make it a good idea.

Actually, the tradition is kind of a lie. Most Americans didn't own guns, which were expensive and didn't really have a practical use.

The reason why the NRA was founded was because Americans didn't know shit about guns, and it showed in the Civil War.

The right to self defense against the dangerous criminal element is important for Americans. I am a senior myself, how can I go into an urban hell hole without a sidearm and expect to emerge on the other side. My mum is 90, always keep a small handgun in her purse, its the great equalizer.

 

[freyasman]

Why are ya'll even bothering with a lying hack like JoeB131 , anyway?

He's just going to keep spewing bullshit and lies.


(SMH)

 

[JoeB131]

Cars kill over 35,000 people a year.....they are worse than gun makers......accidental gun deaths were 458 in 2019.........

Cars are designed with safety in mind. Guns are designed to kill people.

A full, detailed background check for his job as a security guard.....

Obviously, it wasn't "full and detailed"... since they missed he was a crazy person.

 

[JoeB131]

The right to self defense against the dangerous criminal element is important for Americans. I am a senior myself, how can I go into an urban hell hole without a sidearm and expect to emerge on the other side.

I go through urban areas every day without a gun... including some really shitty areas at some points in my career... I was fine.

Gun in the home 43 times more likely to kill a household member than a bad guy.

If you don't commit a crime, they can't take your guns....and they can't lock you up.....that's how it works, you dumb ass.

We need a better standard, then. That's the point. Of course, we can't even meet that standard, can we? The National Rampage Association has so watered down background checks they miss the guy in Aurora IL who had a conviction for stabbing someone, and he was able to get a gun and give the Exit Interview From Hell.

 

[JoeB131]

There was no genocide against Native Americans...

Wow. YOu actually said that with a straight face.

Yes....most Americans at the founding owned guns....you were shown the truth and duly embarrassed when you claimed you cited Michael Bellesiles as your source for your false information.......

Yeah, again, they really didn't... it's why we had to get guns from the French for the revolution, and had to mass produce them again for the Civil War.

It took 200 years because morons who think like you didn't come along until just recently....up till then, normal people understood that Free People have the right to protect themselves from criminals and an out of control government.

Actually, normal people realize you don't need enough guns to fight off the Zombies... which is why 78% of people don't own guns. Of those that remain, most would probably be fine with background checks and licenses.... But they aren't the gun industries target market. The target market are the 3% of the population who own 50% of the guns and fetishize them. They are also the most likely to produce Adam Lanza, Nick Cruz and all the other famous nutbags who shoot places up.

hen sick morons like you came along who enjoy being slaves, and enjoy the thought of sending your fellow Americans to gulags and deaths camps, so the USSC had to come in and bitch slap you with the reality that the 2nd Amendment means Americans can own and carry guns....you dumb twit.

Wow, dude, you are really mentally ill if you think anyone wants to send you to a "Gulag".

Here's the thing. According to Soviet figures, the number of people sent to the Gulags were 10 million over a period of 1928 and 1953. Then Stalin died and his successors let those folks out.

Okay. In the US, we currently have 2 million people in prison and another 7 million on parole or probation at any given time. Of course, most of those folks are poor people of color, so you don't care. 70 million have police records... Looks like having guns hasn't really stopped the kind of oppression you whine about.

 

[Polishprince]

The right to self defense against the dangerous criminal element is important for Americans. I am a senior myself, how can I go into an urban hell hole without a sidearm and expect to emerge on the other side.

I go through urban areas every day without a gun... including some really shitty areas at some points in my career... I was fine.

Gun in the home 43 times more likely to kill a household member than a bad guy.

If you don't commit a crime, they can't take your guns....and they can't lock you up.....that's how it works, you dumb ass.

We need a better standard, then. That's the point. Of course, we can't even meet that standard, can we? The National Rampage Association has so watered down background checks they miss the guy in Aurora IL who had a conviction for stabbing someone, and he was able to get a gun and give the Exit Interview From Hell.

At least 3,468 brave Americans have been shot in the killing fields of Chicago so far this year. Who knows how many have been shot that the Chicago PD doesn't know about.

Its dangerous in your urban heck holes. The people need to be armed, and the libs are defunding the police.

 

[JoeB131]

At least 3,468 brave Americans have been shot in the killing fields of Chicago so far this year. Who knows how many have been shot that the Chicago PD doesn't know about.

100,000 Americans are shot or killed every year in the entire country....

That's what happens when you have a "gun Culture".

Chicago had a sensible gun law prior to 2010, then the National Rampage Association went to court and got it struck down, and the gun industry flooded our streets with guns.

 

[Polishprince]

At least 3,468 brave Americans have been shot in the killing fields of Chicago so far this year. Who knows how many have been shot that the Chicago PD doesn't know about.

100,000 Americans are shot or killed every year in the entire country....

That's what happens when you have a "gun Culture".

Chicago had a sensible gun law prior to 2010, then the National Rampage Association went to court and got it struck down, and the gun industry flooded our streets with guns.

Long before 2010, people were getting killed en masse on the streets of Chicago. In 2008, more brave Americans were slaughtered in Chicago that in the entire nation of Iraq which was at war.

 

[JoeB131]

Long before 2010, people were getting killed en masse on the streets of Chicago. In 2008, more brave Americans were slaughtered in Chicago that in the entire nation of Iraq which was at war.

Uh, the war in Iraq was pretty much over in 2008, until it flared up again in 2011.

"Mendacity comes in three forms - Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics"

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So where slavery and the genocide of Native Americans...

That doesn't make it a good idea.

Actually, the tradition is kind of a lie. Most Americans didn't own guns, which were expensive and didn't really have a practical use.

Years ago not many people needed guns. Growing up, our household never had any guns. In the summer we slept with the door open and only a screen door for protection. Nobody bothered you.

So how did that change? Liberalism. The commie judges turned our prisons into playgrounds and "rehabilitation" centers. Desegregation caused a massive amount of murders and huge property value damage. HUD targeting nice areas to destroy. The left took God out of society so that only the government is seen as the highest power in the land. The promoted single parent families where children eventually didn't have the guidance of two parents, particularly males. The left is responsible for making many nice places into dangerous areas.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

If the car makers acted like the gunmakers do, I would.

How do gunmakers act? They are manufacturing and selling a product for a specific use. No, murder is not their intention. Target practice and self-defense are.

Then those background checks were INSUFFICIENT.

So, everyone who signed off on him having a gun - FIRED. Make them do the fucking WALK OF SHAME out of FBI headquarters, the next guy will do his job.

There is nobody to sign off on anything. When you purchase a gun, your name is ran through a federal government background check. The gun seller doesn't make a judgement call. They either get a green light or a red light. Green means sell the gun, red means do not sell the gun.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Well, if it wasn't then it wouldn't have taken the USSC 200 years to make that determination.

When were guns not constitutionally protected?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

That's the thing that doesn't make any sense to me. Why would the "right" for the government militias to be armed be something in the Bill of Rights- a document that deals with individual rights.

Even in the old USSR and National Socialist Germany, the army had the "right" to be armed. The weapons held by the government and the army are necessary, but it isn't a "civil liberty" is any sense of the word.

When our founders wrote the amendment, there were no standing or government armies. If a conflict came up, citizens would bring their own arms to fight. The government didn't even supply the ammo. We didn't always have Kroger's grocery stores. People had to go out and hunt their own food. So the intent of our founders was for citizens to be armed in case of war, or to survive and eat.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Sure there is.

Here's the conversation.

"I want me an AR-15 and a 100 round clip! Meh, heheheheheheh..."

"Okay, are you a member of a well-regulated Militia?"

"Um, no."

"No Gun for you!!!"

See, that was easy.

And just who is going to say "no" and end up in court for a violation of constitutional rights?

 

[JoeB131]

Years ago not many people needed guns. Growing up, our household never had any guns. In the summer we slept with the door open and only a screen door for protection. Nobody bothered you.

NObody needs guns now. That you chose to live in a slum, that's on you, Welfare Ray.

How do gunmakers act? They are manufacturing and selling a product for a specific use. No, murder is not their intention. Target practice and self-defense are.

The gunmakers deliberately market to the gun crazies, as they are more likely to buy more guns.

There is nobody to sign off on anything. When you purchase a gun, your name is ran through a federal government background check. The gun seller doesn't make a judgement call. They either get a green light or a red light. Green means sell the gun, red means do not sell the gun.

Except a lot of them didn't wait for the green light... they were too keen to make the sale.

But again, hold them accountable for the damage they cause, they are going to make DAMNED SURE they know who they are selling to.... So when a Mutant like THIS shows up...

And wants a machine gun and a 100 round clip, you say, "Mehhhhh, maybe not."

 

[Polishprince]

Years ago not many people needed guns. Growing up, our household never had any guns. In the summer we slept with the door open and only a screen door for protection. Nobody bothered you.

NObody needs guns now. That you chose to live in a slum, that's on you, Welfare Ray.

How do gunmakers act? They are manufacturing and selling a product for a specific use. No, murder is not their intention. Target practice and self-defense are.

The gunmakers deliberately market to the gun crazies, as they are more likely to buy more guns.

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There is nobody to sign off on anything. When you purchase a gun, your name is ran through a federal government background check. The gun seller doesn't make a judgement call. They either get a green light or a red light. Green means sell the gun, red means do not sell the gun.

Except a lot of them didn't wait for the green light... they were too keen to make the sale.

But again, hold them accountable for the damage they cause, they are going to make DAMNED SURE they know who they are selling to.... So when a Mutant like THIS shows up...

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And wants a machine gun and a 100 round clip, you say, "Mehhhhh, maybe not."

Plenty of people need guns. The possibility of being attacked is out there, and especially if you are a senior citizen what are you supposed to do if attacked? Just die?

An estimated 2 million crimes each year in America are foiled by gunowners. And most of the time the guns aren't even fired. Criminals aren't interested in getting into a fight. All they want to do is to get what they came for- rob, rape or maim the victim, and they get out of dodge.

 

[JoeB131]

Plenty of people need guns. The possibility of being attacked is out there, and especially if you are a senior citizen what are you supposed to do if attacked? Just die?

Give them you wallet. Nothing is worth your or anyone else's life.

An estimated 2 million crimes each year in America are foiled by gunowners.

No, they aren't. That's a myth.

Here's the real figure. The FBI claims there are 50,000 DGU's a year, with only 200 criminals being killed in self-defense with guns.

Even that number is a stretch, because it means no fatalities 99.98% of the time, which seems unlikely.

 

[Polishprince]

Plenty of people need guns. The possibility of being attacked is out there, and especially if you are a senior citizen what are you supposed to do if attacked? Just die?

Give them you wallet. Nothing is worth your or anyone else's life.

An estimated 2 million crimes each year in America are foiled by gunowners.

No, they aren't. That's a myth.

Here's the real figure. The FBI claims there are 50,000 DGU's a year, with only 200 criminals being killed in self-defense with guns.

Even that number is a stretch, because it means no fatalities 99.98% of the time, which seems unlikely.

I'll give them your wallet, I ain't going give a lowlife a damn thing of mine.


As far as I'm concerned, they have to take it.