Really big wind

[skookerasbil]

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Projections made in 2008 concluded that total global installed wind capacity would reach 318 GW by 2030. That capacity was surpassed by 2015 and we will pass 520 GW by the end of this year. A terawatt of world wind capacity by 2030 is easily within reach.

You do know that installed capacity is not the same as actual output don't you?

Wind power on average only produces 25% or less of its installed capacity

He knows....but fakers are constantly conveying disinformation. Like on costs....they ALWAYS identify the final costs and leave out the attendant astronomical costs of installation of transmission lines. Pure fakery....but they know there are alot of dummies out there who are easily suckered, particularly mellenials.

 

[Crick]

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Projections made in 2008 concluded that total global installed wind capacity would reach 318 GW by 2030. That capacity was surpassed by 2015 and we will pass 520 GW by the end of this year. A terawatt of world wind capacity by 2030 is easily within reach.

You do know that installed capacity is not the same as actual output don't you?

Wind power on average only produces 25% or less of its installed capacity

The point is irrelevant. Actual output power from ANY power generation technology will be less than its rated capacity. The point is a straw man argument.

If you'd like to do some comparisons with other technology, though, expect me to bring up FUELCOSTS and POLLUTION.

 

[Blues Man]

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Projections made in 2008 concluded that total global installed wind capacity would reach 318 GW by 2030. That capacity was surpassed by 2015 and we will pass 520 GW by the end of this year. A terawatt of world wind capacity by 2030 is easily within reach.

You do know that installed capacity is not the same as actual output don't you?

Wind power on average only produces 25% or less of its installed capacity

The point is irrelevant. Actual output power from ANY power generation technology will be less than its rated capacity. The point is a straw man argument.

If you'd like to do some comparisons with other technology, though, expect me to bring up FUELCOSTS and POLLUTION.

But 25% is particularly poor

A nuclear reactor will hum along 24/7/365 at 90% or better of its rated capacity

A 2 MW turbine costs 4 million installed but to actually get 2 MW you have to install 4 of them

 

[Crick]

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Projections made in 2008 concluded that total global installed wind capacity would reach 318 GW by 2030. That capacity was surpassed by 2015 and we will pass 520 GW by the end of this year. A terawatt of world wind capacity by 2030 is easily within reach.

You do know that installed capacity is not the same as actual output don't you?

Wind power on average only produces 25% or less of its installed capacity

The point is irrelevant. Actual output power from ANY power generation technology will be less than its rated capacity. The point is a straw man argument.

If you'd like to do some comparisons with other technology, though, expect me to bring up FUELCOSTS and POLLUTION.

But 25% is particularly poor

A nuclear reactor will hum along 24/7/365 at 90% or better of its rated capacity

A 2 MW turbine costs 4 million installed but to actually get 2 MW you have to install 4 of them

A nuclear reactor runs along at full tilt because it is not a particularly simple thing to cut back. It's do-able, but its not simple. A nuclear reactor will spend a significant amount of time making more power then is required. And, of course, making power with a nuke plant consumes fuel that costs money. Refueling is so costly that the Navy has gone to plants that will never be refueled. When the fuel runs out the sub or carrier gets decommisioned.

The 4 wind turbines you'd install to get your full 2 MW will still use INFINITELY less fuel than any non-alternative technology.

Don't get me wrong. I support nulcear power plants, but I also support solar PV and wind.

 

[Blues Man]

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Projections made in 2008 concluded that total global installed wind capacity would reach 318 GW by 2030. That capacity was surpassed by 2015 and we will pass 520 GW by the end of this year. A terawatt of world wind capacity by 2030 is easily within reach.

You do know that installed capacity is not the same as actual output don't you?

Wind power on average only produces 25% or less of its installed capacity

The point is irrelevant. Actual output power from ANY power generation technology will be less than its rated capacity. The point is a straw man argument.

If you'd like to do some comparisons with other technology, though, expect me to bring up FUELCOSTS and POLLUTION.

But 25% is particularly poor

A nuclear reactor will hum along 24/7/365 at 90% or better of its rated capacity

A 2 MW turbine costs 4 million installed but to actually get 2 MW you have to install 4 of them

A nuclear reactor runs along at full tilt because it is not a particularly simple thing to cut back. It's do-able, but its not simple. A nuclear reactor will spend a significant amount of time making more power then is required. And, of course, making power with a nuke plant consumes fuel that costs money. Refueling is so costly that the Navy has gone to plants that will never be refueled. When the fuel runs out the sub or carrier gets decommisioned.

The 4 wind turbines you'd install to get your full 2 MW will still use INFINITELY less fuel than any non-alternative technology.

Don't get me wrong. I support nulcear power plants, but I also support solar PV and wind.

Our entire grid is based on baseline power not on intermittent on and off power.

 

[tycho1572]

 

[peach174]

By 2030, wind will be a major supplier of electricity, if not the major supplier.

That’s what we need. Huge wind mills EVERYWHERE.

I drove through Palm Springs yesterday. They are everywhere and ugly as hell. I don’t believe they can even provide for the energy needs of the people of Palm Springs.

By 2030, wind will be a major supplier of electricity, if not the major supplier.

That’s what we need. Huge wind mills EVERYWHERE.

I drove through Palm Springs yesterday. They are everywhere and ugly as hell. I don’t believe they can even provide for the energy needs of the people of Palm Springs.

By 2030, wind will be a major supplier of electricity, if not the major supplier.

That’s what we need. Huge wind mills EVERYWHERE.

I drove through Palm Springs yesterday. They are everywhere and ugly as hell. I don’t believe they can even provide for the energy needs of the people of Palm Springs.

By 2030, wind will be a major supplier of electricity, if not the major supplier.

That’s what we need. Huge wind mills EVERYWHERE.

I drove through Palm Springs yesterday. They are everywhere and ugly as hell. I don’t believe they can even provide for the energy needs of the people of Palm Springs.

Their cost of electricity is high according to this;

Cost of Living in Palm Springs


Utilities (Monthly) [ Edit ]
Basic (Electricity, Heating, Cooling, Water, Garbage) for 915 sq ft Apartment 180.00 $


Our home is all electrical and 1100 sq. ft and ours cost around 100.00

Wind mills cost too much.

 

[Crick]

The costs of both wind and solar PV are coming down. We have to dramatically reduce CO2 emissions. Failing to do that will be extremely expensive - far, far more expensive than sitting back and doing nothing.

 

[Wyatt earp]

By 2030, wind will be a major supplier of electricity, if not the major supplier.

 

[Wyatt earp]

The costs of both wind and solar PV are coming down. We have to dramatically reduce CO2 emissions. Failing to do that will be extremely expensive - far, far more expensive than sitting back and doing nothing.

How the 2018 U.S. Solar Tariff Will Impact the Price You Pay


We’ve been receiving lots of questions about the new solar tariff from shoppers on the EnergySage Solar Marketplace. Here’s the bottom line for homeowners: this tariff will increase the cost of a typical home solar installation by $500 to $1,000. The good news is that comparison-shopping on EnergySage can save you between $1,500 and $3,000. For commercial customers, the savings could be even higher (more on that later.)


Background on Trump’s solar tariff
On January 22nd, 2018, the Trump Administration levied a 30% tariff on solar imports to the United States. The tariff covers both imported solar cells, a key input to manufacturing solar panels, and solar modules, otherwise known as solar panels. According to a fact sheetreleased by the U.S. Trade Representative, this tariff will last for four years and will fall by 5% annually, dropping to a 15% tariff in 2021.

We at EnergySage support free trade and are firmly opposed to any trade restriction. We also expect this action to have a limited impact on the price of home solar installations in the United States. The brunt of the impact of the tariff is expected to be felt by utility scale developers. This expectation was confirmed by a June report published by Reuters that revealed U.S. companies have cancelled or frozen $2.5 billion in large PV installation projects due to the tariffs on solar panels.

What this solar tariff means for American consumers
A tariff is simply a tax on imports or exports. There are two types of tariffs, those which are calculated as a fixed percentage on the item and those that are calculated as a fixed dollar amount.

Trump’s tariff imposes a 30% tax on imported panels in year 1, which is actually preferable to a fixed dollar amount if you’re thinking about going solar. Because the tariff is percentage-based, its actual impact on prices will shrink each year as the price of imported solar panels continues to fall.

Due to advances in solar manufacturing, the cost of solar panels has fallen by between 2% and 6% per year for the past several years. In China, South Korea, and other countries that dominate solar panel manufacturing, falling costs and technological advances won’t slow down simply because there is a U.S. tariff – and in fact, the tariff may give them an incentive to decrease costs faster.

The end result is that the percentage-based tariff, which is already set to fall each year, will be even smaller because it will be applied to ever-decreasing module costs. An example of this trend is illustrated below, where the dollar amounts shown are in dollars per watt of solar energy.

Tariff estimated impact on solar costs over time
TARIFF IMPACT YEAR 1 YEAR 2 (EST.) YEAR 3 (EST.) YEAR 4 (EST.)
Module prices (low) $0.33 $0.32 $0.30 $0.29
Module prices (high) $0.40 $0.38 $0.36 $0.34
Tariff percentage 30% 25% 20% 15%
Tariff impact (per watt, low) $0.10 $0.08 $0.06 $0.04
Tariff impact (per watt, high) $0.12 $0.10 $0.07 $0.05
Tariff impact (for a 6 kW system, low) $600 $480 $360 $240
Tariff impact (for a 6 kW system, high) $720 $600 $420 $300
Market experts estimate that the impact of the tariff in year 1 will be between $0.10 to $0.12 per watt. For a typical American homeowner, that represents only a 3% to 4% increase in the cost of a solar panel installation. (This corresponds to a recent analysis conducted by Greentech Media.)

By year 4, the tariff’s impact falls to only $0.04 to $0.05 per watt, which results in less than a 2% increase in installation costs. It is worth mentioning here that leading solar manufacturing countries like China, Taiwan and South Korea can simply reduce their export prices faster, and render obsolete any impact of the solar tariff.

 

[Old Rocks]

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Projections made in 2008 concluded that total global installed wind capacity would reach 318 GW by 2030. That capacity was surpassed by 2015 and we will pass 520 GW by the end of this year. A terawatt of world wind capacity by 2030 is easily within reach.

You do know that installed capacity is not the same as actual output don't you?

Wind power on average only produces 25% or less of its installed capacity

He knows....but fakers are constantly conveying disinformation. Like on costs....they ALWAYS identify the final costs and leave out the attendant astronomical costs of installation of transmission lines. Pure fakery....but they know there are alot of dummies out there who are easily suckered, particularly mellenials.

Some real dumbfuckery here, again. Astronimical costs of transmission lines? And fossil fuels or nukes do not use transmission lines? Goddamn, you people are truly stupid. Again, no costs of pipelines or railways. No costs for the gas or coal. Once the turbine is up and the lines in, just normal upkeep costs, which are less than those of fossil fuels or nukes. And the wind turbines do not leave the land poisoned, or have radioactive wastes that have to be stored of 100,000 years.

 

[gipper]

The costs of both wind and solar PV are coming down. We have to dramatically reduce CO2 emissions. Failing to do that will be extremely expensive - far, far more expensive than sitting back and doing nothing.

I tend to doubt that.

 

[gipper]

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Projections made in 2008 concluded that total global installed wind capacity would reach 318 GW by 2030. That capacity was surpassed by 2015 and we will pass 520 GW by the end of this year. A terawatt of world wind capacity by 2030 is easily within reach.

You do know that installed capacity is not the same as actual output don't you?

Wind power on average only produces 25% or less of its installed capacity

He knows....but fakers are constantly conveying disinformation. Like on costs....they ALWAYS identify the final costs and leave out the attendant astronomical costs of installation of transmission lines. Pure fakery....but they know there are alot of dummies out there who are easily suckered, particularly mellenials.

Some real dumbfuckery here, again. Astronimical costs of transmission lines? And fossil fuels or nukes do not use transmission lines? Goddamn, you people are truly stupid. Again, no costs of pipelines or railways. No costs for the gas or coal. Once the turbine is up and the lines in, just normal upkeep costs, which are less than those of fossil fuels or nukes. And the wind turbines do not leave the land poisoned, or have radioactive wastes that have to be stored of 100,000 years.

You are the smart one. LOL.

 

[Crick]

The costs of both wind and solar PV are coming down. We have to dramatically reduce CO2 emissions. Failing to do that will be extremely expensive - far, far more expensive than sitting back and doing nothing.

How the 2018 U.S. Solar Tariff Will Impact the Price You Pay


We’ve been receiving lots of questions about the new solar tariff from shoppers on the EnergySage Solar Marketplace. Here’s the bottom line for homeowners: this tariff will increase the cost of a typical home solar installation by $500 to $1,000. The good news is that comparison-shopping on EnergySage can save you between $1,500 and $3,000. For commercial customers, the savings could be even higher (more on that later.)


Background on Trump’s solar tariff
On January 22nd, 2018, the Trump Administration levied a 30% tariff on solar imports to the United States. The tariff covers both imported solar cells, a key input to manufacturing solar panels, and solar modules, otherwise known as solar panels. According to a fact sheetreleased by the U.S. Trade Representative, this tariff will last for four years and will fall by 5% annually, dropping to a 15% tariff in 2021.

We at EnergySage support free trade and are firmly opposed to any trade restriction. We also expect this action to have a limited impact on the price of home solar installations in the United States. The brunt of the impact of the tariff is expected to be felt by utility scale developers. This expectation was confirmed by a June report published by Reuters that revealed U.S. companies have cancelled or frozen $2.5 billion in large PV installation projects due to the tariffs on solar panels.

What this solar tariff means for American consumers
A tariff is simply a tax on imports or exports. There are two types of tariffs, those which are calculated as a fixed percentage on the item and those that are calculated as a fixed dollar amount.

Trump’s tariff imposes a 30% tax on imported panels in year 1, which is actually preferable to a fixed dollar amount if you’re thinking about going solar. Because the tariff is percentage-based, its actual impact on prices will shrink each year as the price of imported solar panels continues to fall.

Due to advances in solar manufacturing, the cost of solar panels has fallen by between 2% and 6% per year for the past several years. In China, South Korea, and other countries that dominate solar panel manufacturing, falling costs and technological advances won’t slow down simply because there is a U.S. tariff – and in fact, the tariff may give them an incentive to decrease costs faster.

The end result is that the percentage-based tariff, which is already set to fall each year, will be even smaller because it will be applied to ever-decreasing module costs. An example of this trend is illustrated below, where the dollar amounts shown are in dollars per watt of solar energy.

Tariff estimated impact on solar costs over time
TARIFF IMPACT YEAR 1 YEAR 2 (EST.) YEAR 3 (EST.) YEAR 4 (EST.)
Module prices (low) $0.33 $0.32 $0.30 $0.29
Module prices (high) $0.40 $0.38 $0.36 $0.34
Tariff percentage 30% 25% 20% 15%
Tariff impact (per watt, low) $0.10 $0.08 $0.06 $0.04
Tariff impact (per watt, high) $0.12 $0.10 $0.07 $0.05
Tariff impact (for a 6 kW system, low) $600 $480 $360 $240
Tariff impact (for a 6 kW system, high) $720 $600 $420 $300
Market experts estimate that the impact of the tariff in year 1 will be between $0.10 to $0.12 per watt. For a typical American homeowner, that represents only a 3% to 4% increase in the cost of a solar panel installation. (This corresponds to a recent analysis conducted by Greentech Media.)

By year 4, the tariff’s impact falls to only $0.04 to $0.05 per watt, which results in less than a 2% increase in installation costs. It is worth mentioning here that leading solar manufacturing countries like China, Taiwan and South Korea can simply reduce their export prices faster, and render obsolete any impact of the solar tariff.

Whoever replaces Trump in 2020 will be undoing Trump things as fast as they can be undone. His idiotic tariffs will be one of the first.

 

[skookerasbil]

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Projections made in 2008 concluded that total global installed wind capacity would reach 318 GW by 2030. That capacity was surpassed by 2015 and we will pass 520 GW by the end of this year. A terawatt of world wind capacity by 2030 is easily within reach.

You do know that installed capacity is not the same as actual output don't you?

Wind power on average only produces 25% or less of its installed capacity

He knows....but fakers are constantly conveying disinformation. Like on costs....they ALWAYS identify the final costs and leave out the attendant astronomical costs of installation of transmission lines. Pure fakery....but they know there are alot of dummies out there who are easily suckered, particularly mellenials.

Some real dumbfuckery here, again. Astronimical costs of transmission lines? And fossil fuels or nukes do not use transmission lines? Goddamn, you people are truly stupid. Again, no costs of pipelines or railways. No costs for the gas or coal. Once the turbine is up and the lines in, just normal upkeep costs, which are less than those of fossil fuels or nukes. And the wind turbines do not leave the land poisoned, or have radioactive wastes that have to be stored of 100,000 years.

Yep....astronomical costs! Ask the German people! Poor fuckers got the big bumpy cucumber in the form of their electric bills a few years after wind installation....only climate crusader-types think costs aren't going to be passed on to the consumer!

Lol....but I'm the dumbfucker!

German grid firms see extra costs to meet renewable power target | Reuters

Energy bill: Power price hikes shock Germany’s Mittelstand

Dang.....I sure do alot of laughing in this forum!.....for such a dumbfucker!

Listen.....if you do fake shit in here, you're going to get pwn'd.

 

[Old Rocks]

Wind and Solar PV are growing at an ever increasing rate. Especially utility-scale solar has experienced a serious growth rater over the last few years.
Milestone: Over one trillion watts of wind and solar installed

Now that is what you call a growth curve!

 

[gipper]

Wind and Solar PV are growing at an ever increasing rate. Especially utility-scale solar has experienced a serious growth rater over the last few years.
Milestone: Over one trillion watts of wind and solar installed

Now that is what you call a growth curve!

That’s all good and well, but still generates a fraction of the nation’s energy needs. Oh where will we find the rest???

 

[Crick]

Do you have some reason to believe that wind and solar cannot continue to expand?

 

[gipper]

Do you have some reason to believe that wind and solar cannot continue to expand?

When it expands to providing 50% or more of the nation’s energy needs, please let me know. If that actually does happen, most of us will be dead and gone.

 

[Maxdeath]

Do you have some reason to believe that wind and solar cannot continue to expand?

Do have some reason to believe that our energy needs will continue to remain stagnet in light of Evs, cordless tools, remote controls,etc?

Still laugh at those who claim being green. Has Gore lessened the emissions on his jet? Is he buying only locally grown? Most of those who claim we need to be green only suggest others do it or have no real idea what their choices really mean for the environment.