Reality sets in for Oregon governor

[koshergrl]

They'll likely settle on something like $12. Steady increases over time will get it up to $15 eventually. I know that really pisses greedy white Republican dude off, but it's probably gonna happen all across the country.

The people who should be pissed off are all the people who's skills aren't worth $15 or $12 an hour. They'll be making zero when that is the minimum wage. We understand the leftwing turds like you have an agenda to push, and you don't give a shit about people looking for a start in life.

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Republicans ALWAYS threaten to lay people off if the minimum wage is increased.

BUT THEY NEVER DO

Because the people who are working for minimum wage do indispensable jobs.

They mop the floors and man the cash register and flip the burgers ... all jobs the high paid executives wouldn't do to save their lives.

They don't hire extra people in the first place. Most of them have each employee already doing the work of two.

If they laid off any minimum wage workers their companies would quickly come to a grinding halt.

Yeah, they always resort to threats and intimidation. They'll say and do anything to keep their slaves. But most of the time they're proven to be full of shite. Despite their screeching, the sky doesn't fall when the Minimum Wage is increased. It never has and never will.

Like commies arent slaves...that's rich....

 

[g5000]

Let me show the liberal mindset at work here.



One-third of the "involuntarily uninsured" are high school dropouts. That's a big chunk.

Like I said before, individuals making bad decisions, and now they want the rest of us to carry them on our backs for the rest of their lives.

But what really reveals the mindset of a liberal is that they call the people being forced to carry these high school dropouts "freeloaders"!

The people who are voluntarily uninsured are being forced to buy a commercial product (health insurance) and pay higher rates to help subsidize high school dropouts. And these are who the liberals call "freeloaders". It just doesn't get more Orwellian or Randian than that.

Example:

CORNISH: For months, Democrats had expressly argued that the penalty charge under the new law was not a tax and it seems as though the court has described it as a tax, so what do you consider this?

PELOSI: What I call this is the free rider provision. Call it what you will, but the fact is that some people who will not, even though they're younger and healthier and have some resources, decide they're invincible and they're not going to pay into a system. So, when they get sick, then they think they can just dip into it and that makes it more expensive for other people. And so, in order to eliminate the free rider piece of this, there's a penalty to be paid if you don't want to participate. Call it what you will. What it does is lower cost for the American people and it's a fair way to go.


Another example:

no one forced anyone onto anything except obama forcing all of us to buy ins or get fined

NO MORE GD FREELOADERS!

The main thing is to go after all those "freeloaders" who refuse to buy their fair share of insurance.

There are plenty more examples from this forum.

Freeloaders are those who refuse to buy insurance and are NOT paying for the unfortunate.

This is how ******* dumb leftist are.

If you refuse to give into tyranny, you're a freeloader.

not a single, slightest grasp of freedom or reality

Exactly.

 

[Iceweasel]

They'll likely settle on something like $12. Steady increases over time will get it up to $15 eventually. I know that really pisses greedy white Republican dude off, but it's probably gonna happen all across the country.

The people who should be pissed off are all the people who's skills aren't worth $15 or $12 an hour. They'll be making zero when that is the minimum wage. We understand the leftwing turds like you have an agenda to push, and you don't give a shit about people looking for a start in life.

==========
Republicans ALWAYS threaten to lay people off if the minimum wage is increased.

BUT THEY NEVER DO

Because the people who are working for minimum wage do indispensable jobs.

They mop the floors and man the cash register and flip the burgers ... all jobs the high paid executives wouldn't do to save their lives.

They don't hire extra people in the first place. Most of them have each employee already doing the work of two.

If they laid off any minimum wage workers their companies would quickly come to a grinding halt.

Yeah, they always resort to threats and intimidation. They'll say and do anything to keep their slaves. But most of the time they're proven to be full of shite. Despite their screeching, the sky doesn't fall when the Minimum Wage is increased. It never has and never will.

No one gets layed off?

Job Losses from Minimum Wage Increases Worse than Reported | NFIB
Seattle, San Francisco and LA all raised their minimum wages, costing the restaurant and hotel industries thousands of jobs. And those numbers might not even tell the whole story.

Three West Coast cities raised their minimum wage—and are now paying the price in job losses.

And the ongoing fallout may actually be worse than what the data shows, according to the American Enterprise Institute.

Seattle began the phase-in of the increase, raising the minimum wage to $11 in April. San Francisco raised its minimum wage to $12.25 in May. And the Los Angeles City Council passed a measure to raise the minimum wage for hotel workers to $15.37 per hour, which took effect in July.

The Proof Is in the Pudding (So to Speak)
Within the past year, about 2,500 restaurant jobs were lost in the San Francisco metro area, along with 2,200 hotel jobs in the LA area. Between January and June, Seattle lost about 1,300 restaurant jobs.

Those numbers are shocking—but the situation might actually be more dire.

The problem with these commonly reported figures is that the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) uses “employment by industry for entire Metropolitan Statistical Areas (MSAs) or Metropolitan Divisions (MDs), and not for the main individual cities that those MSAs and MDs are based on,” Mark J. Perry wrote on his AEI Carpe Diem blog.

That means the BLS includes the job gains in the surrounding, suburban areas of Seattle, San Fran and LA, and that “might have actually offset some of the job losses within the cities, making the job losses in the city look better than what gets reported for the entire MSA,” Perry explained.

Effects of wage increases go well beyond the city level, too. See how NFIB has been leading the charge against minimum wage increases in states such as California, Washington and elsewhere throughout the country.

 

[paulitician]

I think $11-$12 would be a reasonable compromise on the Minimum Wage. I mean it's barely enough to survive on, but it's a start. $15 may have been a bit too ambitious.

Let's face it, you're dealing with greedy folks who would pay Americans $1 an hr if they felt they could away with it. So getting any compromise from them is gonna be very difficult. Start with $11-$12, and then work it up to $15 over time. ,

 

[bripat9643]

I remember the good old days when we had Usery Laws and they could not charge more than 10% interest and ALL INTEREST WE PAID WAS TAX DEDUCTIBLE.

Those "good old days" were called the Middle Ages, and there's hardly anything good about living on the edge of starvation your entire life.

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There was no edge of starvation ... at least not because of the Usery Laws which protected the people from being raped by the banks as is happening now.

Life was very good for me. I had a good career and nice homes during those years.

You have no idea what the hell you are talking about.

The Middle Class was THRIVING then.

There were no years when you were alive when they had usury laws, so what the **** are you talking about?

 

[bripat9643]

I think $11-$12 would be a reasonable compromise on the Minimum Wage. I mean it's barely enough to survive on, but it's a start. $15 may have been a bit too ambitious.

Let's face it, you're dealing with greedy folks who would pay Americans $1 an hr if they felt they could away with it. So getting any compromise from them is gonna be very difficult. Start with $11-$12, and then work it up to $15 over time. ,

That's like saying half a glass full of strychnine is a "reasonable compromise" with drinking a full glass.

 

[paulitician]

I think $11-$12 would be a reasonable compromise on the Minimum Wage. I mean it's barely enough to survive on, but it's a start. $15 may have been a bit too ambitious.

Let's face it, you're dealing with greedy folks who would pay Americans $1 an hr if they felt they could away with it. So getting any compromise from them is gonna be very difficult. Start with $11-$12, and then work it up to $15 over time. ,

That's like saying half a glass full of strychnine is a "reasonable compromise" with drinking a full glass.

Well, you greedy white Republican dudes don't know compromise. Like i said, you'd gladly pay fellow Americans $1 an hr if you felt you could get away with it. So pretty much anything over $1 an hr is gonna enrage y'all greedy bastids. But $11-$12 is a reasonable start. It's still peanuts in today's America, but it is a start.

 

[Iceweasel]

I think $11-$12 would be a reasonable compromise on the Minimum Wage. I mean it's barely enough to survive on, but it's a start. $15 may have been a bit too ambitious.

Let's face it, you're dealing with greedy folks who would pay Americans $1 an hr if they felt they could away with it. So getting any compromise from them is gonna be very difficult. Start with $11-$12, and then work it up to $15 over time. ,

That's like saying half a glass full of strychnine is a "reasonable compromise" with drinking a full glass.

Well, you greedy white Republican dudes don't know compromise. Like i said, you'd gladly pay fellow Americans $1 an hr if you felt you could get away with it. So pretty much anything over $1 an hr is gonna enrage y'all greedy bastids. But $11-$12 is a reasonable start. It's still peanuts in today's America, but it is a start.

You can hire anyone for $1/hr. And not everyone that disagrees with your naive world view is a "greedy white Republican". How stupid can someone get?

 

[paulitician]

I think $11-$12 would be a reasonable compromise on the Minimum Wage. I mean it's barely enough to survive on, but it's a start. $15 may have been a bit too ambitious.

Let's face it, you're dealing with greedy folks who would pay Americans $1 an hr if they felt they could away with it. So getting any compromise from them is gonna be very difficult. Start with $11-$12, and then work it up to $15 over time. ,

That's like saying half a glass full of strychnine is a "reasonable compromise" with drinking a full glass.

Well, you greedy white Republican dudes don't know compromise. Like i said, you'd gladly pay fellow Americans $1 an hr if you felt you could get away with it. So pretty much anything over $1 an hr is gonna enrage y'all greedy bastids. But $11-$12 is a reasonable start. It's still peanuts in today's America, but it is a start.

You can hire anyone for $1/hr. And not everyone that disagrees with your naive world view is a "greedy white Republican". How stupid can someone get?

I just call you guys out for being what you are. You guys dont give a shite about your fellow Americans. But you won't be allowed your slaves anymore. Sorry bout that.

 

[Arizona Willie]

I remember the good old days when we had Usery Laws and they could not charge more than 10% interest and ALL INTEREST WE PAID WAS TAX DEDUCTIBLE.

Those "good old days" were called the Middle Ages, and there's hardly anything good about living on the edge of starvation your entire life.

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There was no edge of starvation ... at least not because of the Usery Laws which protected the people from being raped by the banks as is happening now.

Life was very good for me. I had a good career and nice homes during those years.

You have no idea what the hell you are talking about.

The Middle Class was THRIVING then.

There were no years when you were alive when they had usury laws, so what the **** are you talking about?

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Like I said .... you don't have a fuckin' clue.

I was born in 1941 and began working at 14.

Have someone show you where a bookstore is and buy you a history book and read it to you.

 

[bripat9643]

I remember the good old days when we had Usery Laws and they could not charge more than 10% interest and ALL INTEREST WE PAID WAS TAX DEDUCTIBLE.

Those "good old days" were called the Middle Ages, and there's hardly anything good about living on the edge of starvation your entire life.

====
There was no edge of starvation ... at least not because of the Usery Laws which protected the people from being raped by the banks as is happening now.

Life was very good for me. I had a good career and nice homes during those years.

You have no idea what the hell you are talking about.

The Middle Class was THRIVING then.

There were no years when you were alive when they had usury laws, so what the **** are you talking about?

=========
Like I said .... you don't have a fuckin' clue.

I was born in 1941 and began working at 14.

Have someone show you where a bookstore is and buy you a history book and read it to you.

So when did we have laws that said banks could not charge or pay interest?

You do know what usury laws are, don't you?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

That damn reality slaps the left in the face every time.

Oregon Governor Abandons $15+ Minimum Wage

Facing a barrage of criticism from business, and labor skepticism over threats of higher unemployment, Oregon Governor Kate Brown is scaling back her $15.52 minimum wage proposal.

A November report by the Manhattan Institute, “Counterproductive: The Employment and Income Effects of Raising America’s Minimum Wage to $12 and to $15 per Hour,” concludes that raising minimum wages is likely to result in adverse consequences that would lower total national income levels.

“The earnings gained for those who would keep their jobs would be outweighed by the earnings lost by those who would become jobless,” the report detailed. “As a result, the net income gains tend to be smaller or more negative when using the annual earnings approach than when using the wage approach.”

Facing concerns from the right and the left that her minimum wage proposal was an obvious job killer in Oregon, Gov. Brown blinked on January 28 and has scaled back her proposal to only a $.50 raise per hour statewide July increase, from $9.25 to $9.75-per-hour. The Portland metro area would see an increase in July 2017 to $11.25 an hour, with the rest of the state’s minimum wages rising to $10.25 an hour.

Oregon Governor Abandons $15+ Minimum Wage - Breitbart

Sad. People will be stuck making min wage so the CEO's can make millions off the workers backs.

You're only stuck if choose to be stuck.

Sure sure. Everyone has no kids,no rent,no bills so its SOOOO EASY to get a college education and get a good job...oh wait never mind now college educations aren't worth the paper they are printed on.

Uhm, I waited until I was in my senior year of college to get married and start a family. And my degree has helped me with a very lucrative career as a CPA and an ERP specialist. I mean, it's no basket weaving degree...

And not everyone can do what you do or even wants to do what you do.

Admittedly... but if you borrow a shitload of money to get a degree in a field that doesn't pay well, that is your problem, not mine. Quit whining about it. English literature degrees are essentially worthless... right up there with General Studies.

 

[Arizona Willie]

I remember the good old days when we had Usery Laws and they could not charge more than 10% interest and ALL INTEREST WE PAID WAS TAX DEDUCTIBLE.

Those "good old days" were called the Middle Ages, and there's hardly anything good about living on the edge of starvation your entire life.

====
There was no edge of starvation ... at least not because of the Usery Laws which protected the people from being raped by the banks as is happening now.

Life was very good for me. I had a good career and nice homes during those years.

You have no idea what the hell you are talking about.

The Middle Class was THRIVING then.

There were no years when you were alive when they had usury laws, so what the **** are you talking about?

=========
Like I said .... you don't have a fuckin' clue.

I was born in 1941 and began working at 14.

Have someone show you where a bookstore is and buy you a history book and read it to you.

So when did we have laws that said banks could not charge or pay interest?

You do know what usury laws are, don't you?

===============

I never said that banks could not charge or pay interest?

You must have a terrible comprehension problem.

Are you stoned?

The Usery law said they ( or anyone loaning money on a commercial basis ) could not charge more than 10% interest.

You are the one disputing that so it is YOUR obligation to do your own research.

However, at the moment I'm feeling really sorry for your dumbazz so here's a link to get you started ... please have someone read it to you and explain it.

What is Usury? | 10 Percent Is Enough

There were usery laws limiting interest to 10% up until 1978.

 

[bripat9643]

I think $11-$12 would be a reasonable compromise on the Minimum Wage. I mean it's barely enough to survive on, but it's a start. $15 may have been a bit too ambitious.

Let's face it, you're dealing with greedy folks who would pay Americans $1 an hr if they felt they could away with it. So getting any compromise from them is gonna be very difficult. Start with $11-$12, and then work it up to $15 over time. ,

That's like saying half a glass full of strychnine is a "reasonable compromise" with drinking a full glass.

Well, you greedy white Republican dudes don't know compromise. Like i said, you'd gladly pay fellow Americans $1 an hr if you felt you could get away with it. So pretty much anything over $1 an hr is gonna enrage y'all greedy bastids. But $11-$12 is a reasonable start. It's still peanuts in today's America, but it is a start.

The Republican Congress gave Obama everything he demanded, so what is this crap about how Republicans don't compromise? That's all they do is compromise, and they get nothing in return.

 

[bripat9643]

Those "good old days" were called the Middle Ages, and there's hardly anything good about living on the edge of starvation your entire life.

====
There was no edge of starvation ... at least not because of the Usery Laws which protected the people from being raped by the banks as is happening now.

Life was very good for me. I had a good career and nice homes during those years.

You have no idea what the hell you are talking about.

The Middle Class was THRIVING then.

There were no years when you were alive when they had usury laws, so what the **** are you talking about?

=========
Like I said .... you don't have a fuckin' clue.

I was born in 1941 and began working at 14.

Have someone show you where a bookstore is and buy you a history book and read it to you.

So when did we have laws that said banks could not charge or pay interest?

You do know what usury laws are, don't you?

===============

I never said that banks could not charge or pay interest?

You must have a terrible comprehension problem.

Are you stoned?

The Usery law said they ( or anyone loaning money on a commercial basis ) could not charge more than 10% interest.

You are the one disputing that so it is YOUR obligation to do your own research.

However, at the moment I'm feeling really sorry for your dumbazz so here's a link to get you started ... please have someone read it to you and explain it.

What is Usury? | 10 Percent Is Enough

There were usery laws limiting interest to 10% up until 1978.

For most of recorded history "usury" meant charging any interest at all. It still does in Islamic countries. The federal government has never had laws limiting what interest rate can be charged.

 

[Arizona Willie]

====
There was no edge of starvation ... at least not because of the Usery Laws which protected the people from being raped by the banks as is happening now.

Life was very good for me. I had a good career and nice homes during those years.

You have no idea what the hell you are talking about.

The Middle Class was THRIVING then.

There were no years when you were alive when they had usury laws, so what the **** are you talking about?

=========
Like I said .... you don't have a fuckin' clue.

I was born in 1941 and began working at 14.

Have someone show you where a bookstore is and buy you a history book and read it to you.

So when did we have laws that said banks could not charge or pay interest?

You do know what usury laws are, don't you?

===============

I never said that banks could not charge or pay interest?

You must have a terrible comprehension problem.

Are you stoned?

The Usery law said they ( or anyone loaning money on a commercial basis ) could not charge more than 10% interest.

You are the one disputing that so it is YOUR obligation to do your own research.

However, at the moment I'm feeling really sorry for your dumbazz so here's a link to get you started ... please have someone read it to you and explain it.

What is Usury? | 10 Percent Is Enough

There were usery laws limiting interest to 10% up until 1978.

For most of recorded history "usury" meant charging any interest at all. It still does in Islamic countries. The federal government has never had laws limiting what interest rate can be charged.

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Trying to weasel out,eh?

Nobody said the usery laws were federal laws.

However you really might want to educate yourself and google the end of usery laws in the U.S. which will bring you lots of information about usery laws.

I have already disproven your claim that I was not alive when there were usery laws in the U.S. and, in fact, there are STILL usery laws. But they have been watered down so they are basically useless.

 

[koshergrl]

I think $11-$12 would be a reasonable compromise on the Minimum Wage. I mean it's barely enough to survive on, but it's a start. $15 may have been a bit too ambitious.

Let's face it, you're dealing with greedy folks who would pay Americans $1 an hr if they felt they could away with it. So getting any compromise from them is gonna be very difficult. Start with $11-$12, and then work it up to $15 over time. ,

That's like saying half a glass full of strychnine is a "reasonable compromise" with drinking a full glass.

Well, you greedy white Republican dudes don't know compromise. Like i said, you'd gladly pay fellow Americans $1 an hr if you felt you could get away with it. So pretty much anything over $1 an hr is gonna enrage y'all greedy bastids. But $11-$12 is a reasonable start. It's still peanuts in today's America, but it is a start.

You can hire anyone for $1/hr. And not everyone that disagrees with your naive world view is a "greedy white Republican". How stupid can someone get?

I just call you guys out for being what you are. You guys dont give a shite about your fellow Americans. But you won't be allowed your slaves anymore. Sorry bout that.

Says the gubmint slave. Paul would have starved to death decades ago if the state didn't feed and house him.

 

[francoHFW]

I think $11-$12 would be a reasonable compromise on the Minimum Wage. I mean it's barely enough to survive on, but it's a start. $15 may have been a bit too ambitious.

Let's face it, you're dealing with greedy folks who would pay Americans $1 an hr if they felt they could away with it. So getting any compromise from them is gonna be very difficult. Start with $11-$12, and then work it up to $15 over time. ,

That's like saying half a glass full of strychnine is a "reasonable compromise" with drinking a full glass.

Well, you greedy white Republican dudes don't know compromise. Like i said, you'd gladly pay fellow Americans $1 an hr if you felt you could get away with it. So pretty much anything over $1 an hr is gonna enrage y'all greedy bastids. But $11-$12 is a reasonable start. It's still peanuts in today's America, but it is a start.

The Republican Congress gave Obama everything he demanded, so what is this crap about how Republicans don't compromise? That's all they do is compromise, and they get nothing in return.

It gave him NOTHING, dupe. Even what they would always vote for before under these circumstances. Infrastructure bank jobs, training for 3 million tech jobs, and all the rest. Absolute ignorant brainwashed RW idiocy...

 

[Two Thumbs]

Let me show the liberal mindset at work here.



One-third of the "involuntarily uninsured" are high school dropouts. That's a big chunk.

Like I said before, individuals making bad decisions, and now they want the rest of us to carry them on our backs for the rest of their lives.

But what really reveals the mindset of a liberal is that they call the people being forced to carry these high school dropouts "freeloaders"!

The people who are voluntarily uninsured are being forced to buy a commercial product (health insurance) and pay higher rates to help subsidize high school dropouts. And these are who the liberals call "freeloaders". It just doesn't get more Orwellian or Randian than that.

Example:

CORNISH: For months, Democrats had expressly argued that the penalty charge under the new law was not a tax and it seems as though the court has described it as a tax, so what do you consider this?

PELOSI: What I call this is the free rider provision. Call it what you will, but the fact is that some people who will not, even though they're younger and healthier and have some resources, decide they're invincible and they're not going to pay into a system. So, when they get sick, then they think they can just dip into it and that makes it more expensive for other people. And so, in order to eliminate the free rider piece of this, there's a penalty to be paid if you don't want to participate. Call it what you will. What it does is lower cost for the American people and it's a fair way to go.


Another example:

no one forced anyone onto anything except obama forcing all of us to buy ins or get fined

NO MORE GD FREELOADERS!

The main thing is to go after all those "freeloaders" who refuse to buy their fair share of insurance.

There are plenty more examples from this forum.

Freeloaders are those who refuse to buy insurance and are NOT paying for the unfortunate.

So welfare recipients are all freeloaders?

The unfortunate victims of Pub corruption are on welfare- or just the unfortunate. Freeloaders are people who can afford it not getting health insurance. Duh.

I know people that cant afford to get ins, and cannot afford the fine, so they cut back on food to get insurance they can't afford to have or use.

but you think it's a good thing to force these people to make these choices.


Do you see how evil you are?

 

[francoHFW]

Let me show the liberal mindset at work here.



One-third of the "involuntarily uninsured" are high school dropouts. That's a big chunk.

Like I said before, individuals making bad decisions, and now they want the rest of us to carry them on our backs for the rest of their lives.

But what really reveals the mindset of a liberal is that they call the people being forced to carry these high school dropouts "freeloaders"!

The people who are voluntarily uninsured are being forced to buy a commercial product (health insurance) and pay higher rates to help subsidize high school dropouts. And these are who the liberals call "freeloaders". It just doesn't get more Orwellian or Randian than that.

Example:

CORNISH: For months, Democrats had expressly argued that the penalty charge under the new law was not a tax and it seems as though the court has described it as a tax, so what do you consider this?

PELOSI: What I call this is the free rider provision. Call it what you will, but the fact is that some people who will not, even though they're younger and healthier and have some resources, decide they're invincible and they're not going to pay into a system. So, when they get sick, then they think they can just dip into it and that makes it more expensive for other people. And so, in order to eliminate the free rider piece of this, there's a penalty to be paid if you don't want to participate. Call it what you will. What it does is lower cost for the American people and it's a fair way to go.


Another example:

no one forced anyone onto anything except obama forcing all of us to buy ins or get fined

NO MORE GD FREELOADERS!

The main thing is to go after all those "freeloaders" who refuse to buy their fair share of insurance.

There are plenty more examples from this forum.

Freeloaders are those who refuse to buy insurance and are NOT paying for the unfortunate.

So welfare recipients are all freeloaders?

The unfortunate victims of Pub corruption are on welfare- or just the unfortunate. Freeloaders are people who can afford it not getting health insurance. Duh.

I know people that cant afford to get ins, and cannot afford the fine, so they cut back on food to get insurance they can't afford to have or use.

but you think it's a good thing to force these people to make these choices.


Do you see how evil you are?

You're missing something....subsidies? Can't afford 700 a year?