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[Zavulon]

Nowhere on USMB whould you read anyone saying that America or NATO should be invading Russia and starting a nuclear war.

Did I say, that I've read here that you do support nuclear war? No, I didn't, because you don't want a nuclear war (not now). But what you do here - you do support discrimination and genocide of Russians in Ukraine and so called Baltic states. And you (many of you) do support Ukrainian membership in NATO (because of unprecedented campaign of lie and disinformation in the western mainstream medias). Those are facts.
Then, we are going to interpretation of the facts.
Why do you support Ukrainian membership in NATO? Its not about "values" (for Ukraine is a corrupted Neo-Nazi dictatorship), its not about money (Ukraine, in its current situation is a pure economic leak), its not about "cultural and/or linguistic unity", it's not about common defence against Russia - Ukraine decrease, not increase safety of other NATO members.
The only possible explanation of those facts (if we still stay on position of the rationality and sanity of the leadership of NATO countries) is simple - it's preparation for coordinated attack against Russia.
So, if the western leadership is sane and making their preparations to attack Russia in the rational way - we need to stop them one way or another. If the western leadership is insane, and kill Russians only because of their (leadership) insanity and irrational hatred - we need to stop them, too.

 

[AntonToo]

Did I say, that I've read here that you do support nuclear war? No, I didn't, because you don't want a nuclear war (not now). But what you do here - you do support discrimination and genocide of Russians in Ukraine and so called Baltic states.

Wtf? Nobody here supports genocide against Russians.

I am myself of Russian ethnicity and have many Russian relatives in Russia and elsewhere, so how stupid are you to accuse me of wanting to kill my own self and family?

Again, take your ludecrous bullshit back to Moscow. Maybe people there, who are constantly fed hateful, pranoid propaganda, will belive it.

 

[Zavulon]

Wtf? Nobody here supports genocide against Russians.

You do. Either you support genocide of Russians directly, either you deny it (and denialism is a form of support).

 

[AntonToo]

You do. Either you support genocide of Russians directly, either you deny it (and denialism is a form of support).

To repeat again:

I am myself of Russian ethnicity and have many Russian relatives in Russia and elsewhere, so how stupid are you to accuse me of wanting to killings or descrimination against my own self and family?

 

[Zavulon]

To repeat again:

I am myself of Russian ethnicity and have many Russian relatives in Russia and elsewhere, so how stupid are you to accuse me of wanting to killings or descrimination against my own self and family?

As far as I remember, you don't identify yourself as a Russian. Therefore you are a typical Vyrus'. And the worst Russophobes are Vyrus'.

 

[Zavulon]

To repeat again:

I am myself of Russian ethnicity and have many Russian relatives in Russia and elsewhere, so how stupid are you to accuse me of wanting to killings or descrimination against my own self and family?

Anyway. Genocide and discrimination of Russians in Ukraine and Baltic states is the fact. Either you support it directly either you deny it.

 

[AntonToo]

As far as I remember, you don't identify yourself as a Russian.

Dumbass, I've just identified my ethnicity to you, as I've always identified my ethnicity.

I am an American citizen of Russian ethnicity.

 

[Zavulon]

Dumbass, I've just identified my ethnicity to you, as I've always identified my ethnicity.

I am an American citizen of Russian ethnicity.

So, you are a Russian? Do you love Russia?
Anyway, even in Nazi death camps there were Jews worked for Nazies.

 

[AntonToo]

Anyway. Genocide and discrimination of Russians in Ukraine and Baltic states is the fact.

No it's not a fact. Fact is that you are completely mindfucked by stupid Russian state propaganda.

Ethnic Russians in Kiev, Kharkiv and elsewhere in Ukraine lived just fine and the armed conflict has been entirely with VIOLENT SEPARTISTS and INVADERS, whatever ethnicity they happen to be - Russian, Ukrainian, Chechen or Buryat.

Ethnic Russians in developed countries like America strongly support Ukraine in this conflict. Not because they don't like themselves, but because they know up from down, wrong from right, and honorable defense of your country from lawless, barbaric invasions.

 

[AntonToo]

Why do you support Ukrainian membership in NATO?

Because that is the only way Ukraine will get long term security guarantees. How is that not obvious?

Any peace agreement with Russia without third party security guarantees are not worth the paper it is written on. Russia can simply regroup and invade again a few years later ignoring all agreements they signed, as they did many times before.

 

[Zavulon]

No it's not a fact. Fact is that you are completely mindfucked by stupid Russian state propaganda.

So, you deny the genocide? If so, you support it. Denialism is a form of support.

Ethnic Russians in Kiev, Kharkiv and elsewhere in Ukraine lived just fine and the armed conflict has been entirely with VIOLENT SEPARTISTS and INVADERS, whatever ethnicity they happen to be - Russian, Ukrainian, Chechen or Buryat.

Of course they didn't lived "fine". Terror in Kharkov, massacre in Odessa, shelling of Donbass, etc...

Ethnic Russians in developed countries like America strongly support Ukraine in this conflict. Not because they don't like themselves, but because they know up from down, wrong from right, and honorable defense of your country from lawless, barbaric invasions.

"If a Russian say you, that he doesn't love Russia, don't believe him. He is not a Russian." You are not a Russian if you do support (including support by denialism) genocide of Russians.

 

[AntonToo]

Of course they didn't lived "fine". Terror in Kharkov, massacre in Odessa, shelling of Donbass, etc...

Dummy 20% of Kiev population are ethnic Russians, what "terror" against them can you tell us about? If it's really about them being Russians then "terror" should've been all around Ukraine, not just parts where people are trying to put Russian flags on Ukranian government buildings.

Eastern Donbass was invaded by Russians like Girkin, who violently ceased control of cities like Sloviansk in April of 2014. There was no real violence there before that.

Here is Girkin himself explaining to you what CAUSED shelling in Donbass:

Russia's Igor Strelkov: I Am Responsible for War in Eastern Ukraine

Russian national Igor Strelkov, a former commander of pro-Moscow separatists in eastern Ukraine, has claimed personal responsibility for unleashing the conflict in which 4,300 people have been killed since April.

www.themoscowtimes.com

Maybe you should stop posting your ludecrous propaganda and simply listen to the Russian invader separatist who was a major figure in the events.

 

[Zavulon]

Because that is the only way Ukraine will get long term security guarantees. How is that not obvious?

Ha-ha-ha. So you said, that you've killed hundreds of thousand Ukrainians and wasted hundreds of billions dollars just of charity? Its ridiculous and plain lie. And if you thought only about safety of Ukraine (little hint: you didn't) why didn't you think about safety of Russia, USA and other NATO members?

Any peace agreement with Russia without third party security guarantees are not worth the paper it is written on. Russia will simply regroup and invade again a few years later ignoring all agreements they signed, as they did many times before.

Yes, of course. But what is much more important - any agreement must include the security guarantees for Russia. I mean, first of all - denazification, demilitarization and neutral status for Ukraine, and return of NATO's military infrastructure back to 1997 borders. Without them any agreement doesn't worth the paper it is written on.

 

[AntonToo]

Ha-ha-ha. So you said, that you've killed hundreds of thousand Ukrainians and wasted hundreds of billions dollars just of charity?

.....I've killed?

Idiot, it's Russian soldiers, at Putin's ELECTIVE order, are killing Ukranians. Including Ukranians of Russian ethnicity who lived in the cities Russian army leveled and ethnic Russians that make up ~20% of Ukranian army.

Ukraine has asked America to KEEP IT'S PROMISE and to assist them in the defense of their country against a lawless invasion. Diplomatic, economic and material support is the least America can do since it was us Americans that pressured them to give away their nuclear weapons over to Russia.

 

[AntonToo]

Yes, of course. But what is much more important - any agreement must include the security guarantees for Russia. I mean, first of all - denazification, demilitarization and neutral status for Ukraine, and return of NATO's military infrastructure back to 1997 borders. Without them any agreement doesn't worth the paper it is written on.

Russia is a nuclear armed state which will turn into nuclear wasteland any adjacent country that invades it's sovereign borders.

There has NEVER been any challenge to internationally recognized Russian territories since WW2.

What other guarantees would you like idiot?

 

[Zavulon]

Dummy 20% of Kiev population are ethnic Russians, what "terror" against them can you tell us about? If it's really about them being Russians then "terror" should've been all around Ukraine, not just parts where people are trying to put Russian flags on Ukranian government buildings.

Simple terror. Arrests by SBU, stealing property, death squads, just murders.

Eastern Donbass was invaded by Russians like Girkin, who violently ceased control of cities like Sloviansk in the spring of 2014. There was no violence there before that.

Plain lie. And anyway, do you believe that a single Girkin with few comrades (and without a ring of power or other magical artefacts) was able to get control over millions of Donbass citizens? There were almost no violence until Turchinov started his "anti-terroristic operation". It was "pro-Western" side who raised the violence from the level "squarel in internet" to "violent street protests" in Kiev, during Maidan coup, and it was "pro-Western" side who raised the level of violence from "street protests" to "mass murders" in Odessa, to "military operation" in Donbass and to "formally illegal Neo-Nazi terror" in the rest of Ukraine.
And Girkin himself is simply overrating his own importance. My cousin live in Mariupol, so I have good first-hand information.

 

[AntonToo]

Simple terror. Arrests by SBU, stealing property, death squads, just murders.

GENOCIDE. Do you know what the word means?

 

[AntonToo]

Plain lie. And anyway, do you believe that a single Girkin with few comrades (and without a ring of power or other magical artefacts) was able to get control over millions of Donbass citizens?

I belive Gerkin when he tells you in no uncertain terms that he and other Russian nationals spearheaded violent separatist insurgency, that included Ukranian collaborators. was the cause of the bombing in Donbass.


If Ukranian "comrades" rolled into Russian territory on heavy Ukranian equipment and started puttin Ukranian flags on Russian gov building what would you say Moscow would do if not go bomb them? Use your damn head.

When Chechnya wanted to seperate from Russia, what did Russia do? It carpet bombed their cities killing hundreds of thousands and even after signing agreemnt for Chechen independance they came back for a second war.

 

[Zavulon]

.....I've killed?

Yes. By NATO expansion and sending weapons and money for Kievan regime.

Idiot, it's Russian soldiers, at Putin's ELECTIVE order, are killing Ukranians. Including Ukranians of Russian ethnicity who lived in the cities Russian army leveled and ethnic Russians that make up ~20% of Ukranian army.

No. Two necessary for tango. If you were not funding Kievan regime - there were no any war. And the Russians just defend themselves.

Ukraine has asked America to KEEP IT'S PROMISE and to assist them in the defense of their country against a lawless invasion. Diplomatic, economic and material support is the least America can do since it was us Americans that pressured them to give away their nuclear weapons over to Russia.

No. NATO just hired Ukrainians to kill Russians. Don't pay them. Don't send weapons. Open borders. And watch - how many Ukrainians really wants to defend Kievan regime, and how many will cheer when Zelenskiy and Co are hanged on the Maidan square.
You know, as it was back in 1946.

 

[Zavulon]

GENOCIDE. Do you know what the word means?

Yes, I do. What was happening in Donbass was genocide. And if you deny it - you support it.