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[Zavulon]

You sound mindfucked, there are no prominent Nazi politicians or Nazi political parties in Ukraine. Are there a few ultra-nationalist grunts in Ukraine? Sure, but like anywhere else hey have little to no power in Ukraine's governing.

Russia? Russia had some prominent Nazis. Like founder of Wagner:

And to repeat again, there was no bloodshed in Eastern Ukraine untill armed Russian citizens, with Russian government support, came to take over Ukranian cities. NONE.

So your story about how the conflict was caused by some sort of Nazis is of course a bunch of stupid, counterfactual propaganda.

So, as usual, it is the question of definitions.

 

[AntonToo]

So, as usual, it is the question of definitions.

No bloodshed in Eastern Ukraine untill armed Russian nationals crossed the border and started taking over Ukranina cities - thats not up to definitions, thats fact.

 

[Zavulon]

NATO countries gambling existance?

Yep. They are jumping on the pretty thin ice, you know.

I think whatever is left of your brain is gambling it's existance by vodka overindulgence.

Putin doesn't have much reguard for his people's lives but he is very pragmatic when it comes to preserving his own skin and regime. Nothing about his Ukranian misadventures is going to suddenly make him risk making Moscow a nuclear wasteland.

Its all about risk management. In certain circumstances nuclear victory is better than conventional one.

 

[Zavulon]

No bloodshed in Eastern Ukraine untill armed Russian nationals crossed the border and started taking over Ukranina cities - thats not up to definitions, thats fact.

Plain lie. The "trains of friendship" and attack agaisnt anti-maidan activists were long before full-scale rebellion in Donbass. And no, "Russian nationals" have been living on the territory of so called "Ukraine" centures before Ukraine was invented.

 

[AntonToo]

Plain lie. The "trains of friendship" and attack agaisnt anti-maidan activists were long before full-scale rebellion in Donbass.

Thats your idea of bloodshed?

 

[Zavulon]

Thats your idea of bloodshed?

No. Actually, what is happening now in Ukraine, isn't a bloodshed either. Not yet. It's still just a gentle slapping of unruly kids.
But both the level of violence "street protest and rare skirmishes", and "local military operation" were started by pro-Western side (likely, by direct western orders).

 

[AntonToo]

what is happening now in Ukraine, isn't a bloodshed

No bloodshed in Ukraine?.....at least half a million people are dead as a direct result of the war since full scale Russian invasion began in 2022 you ******* moron.

You trying to equate that to some sticks-and-stones clashes around maidan time is completely insane. This is like participating in special olympics.

 

[Zavulon]

No bloodshed in Ukraine?.....at least half a million people are dead as a direct result of the war since full scale Russian invasion began in 2022 you ******* moron.

It's all comparable, you know. Previous time the liberation of Ukraine took roughly seven million of Soviet soldier lives and more or less equal number of European military (and larger number of Ukrainian civilian) lives.
Anyway, if the situation is escalating to a "regional war" level, we'll speak about tens of millions lives and if it is escalating to "large scale war" we'll be talking about hundreds millions (or may be even billions) of killed. So, right now its almost nothing.

You trying to equate that to some sticks-and-stones clashes around maidan time is completely insane. This is like participating in special olympics.

There are different levels of violence. "Sticks-and-stones clashes", "street disorders", "local military operation", "local war", "regional war", "large-scale war".

Right now we are on the level "local military operation" on the verge of "local war". It is more violent than "street clashes", but less violent than "regional war". And, of course, the situation can easily and swiftly escalate to the levels "regional" or even "large scale war". And, highly likely, it will escalate pretty soon.

 

[AntonToo]

It's all comparable, you know.

Compare dumbass - some beat up people, maybe a handful of casualties in early 2014 before armed Russian citizens invaded eastern Donbass, thousands dead after, and around half a million dead since 2022 full scale Russian invasion.

Use your head and COMPARE.

And when you do, realize that what you are posting about there not being a bloodbath in Ukraine is ******* insane - this is by far the bloodiest war in Europe since WW2.

 

[Zavulon]

Compare dumbass - some beat up people, maybe a handful of casualties in early 2014 before armed Russian citizens invaded eastern Donbass, thousands dead after, and around half a million dead since 2022 full scale Russian invasion.

Use your head and COMPARE.

You came on our land and you start to kill our people. We are going to eliminate this threat whatever is the cost. You still have a little chance to make few steps back and survive. But, I'm almost sure, you are too stupid to use it.

And when you do, realize that what you are posting about there not being a bloodbath in Ukraine is ******* insane - this is by far the bloodiest war in Europe since WW2.

But we are already in the initial phase of WWIII, and, pretty likely, future historians will call the current situation on the Ukrainain front - "phoney war". Its almost nothing comparing with WWII, WWI, Napoleon war, Sweden invasion, Lithuanian wars, Time of Troubles and other similar conflicts.

 

[AntonToo]

You came on our land and you start to kill our people. We are going to eliminate this threat whatever is the cost.

Armed Russians violated Ukrainian sovereign borders and started taking over Ukrainian territory….and in your fucked up head that is someone violating YOUR Russian territory?

Wow.

 

[AntonToo]

But we are already in the initial phase of WWIII

That’s just another way of saying initial phase of the Moscow becoming a nuclear wasteland.

Russia has no means to wage any serious conventional warfare challenge to NATO. You could barely handle just Ukraine. So the only means Russia will have are nuclear strikes that will mean immediate reciprocation.

Putin won’t ever touch that self-destruct button.

 

[Litwin]

Its almost nothing comparing with WWII, WWI, Napoleon war, Sweden invasion, Lithuanian wars, Time of Troubles and other similar conflicts.

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[Zavulon]

Armed Russians violated Ukrainian sovereign borders and started annexing their territory….and in your fucked up head that someone violating YOUR territory?

It were you and your hired proxies, who started to kill Russian people on the territory they live.
The Russians lived there centures before Ukraine was invented. When new, post-Maidan Kievan regime started their discrimination, abusing and murders - they declared independence. And Russian Federation recognised independence of Sevastopol, Donetsk and Lugansk as well as it recognised independence of Kiev itself in 1991. It is our sovereign right to recognise or not recognise independence of any territory.
Ukraine as an independent country can exists only under few very simple terms: 1) No discrimination of Russians (and other ethnic groups) 2) no military threats to Russia (including new Russian territories) 3) neutral status (no NATO membership or any "security guarantees). If Ukraine (and its masters) accepted those terms - it may exist. If no - there will be no any "independent" Ukraine.

 

[AntonToo]

It were you and your hired proxies, who started to kill Russian people on the territory they live.

You are completely nuts and I've already explained exactly why your silly propaganda doesn't make any sense in terms of the timeline of the conflict.

Nobody was killing "Russian people" in Crimea and Donbass when Russian army and hybrid forces invaded those territories.

 

[Litwin]

Nobody was killing "Russian people" in Crimea and Donbass when Russian army and hybrid forces invaded those territories.

he is a loyal putin´s Jihadist, with 0 credibility

Squeeze until unconditional

surrender?

 

[Zavulon]

That’s just another way of saying initial phase of the Moscow becoming a nuclear wasteland.

Moscow is expendable. Napoleon burnt down Moscow and lost the war. Trump may try to burn Moscow, but then they USA will suffer virtually total annihilation.

Russia has no means to wage any serious conventional warfare challenge to NATO.

We are not going to fight a "conventional war" with NATO. Read the military doctrine, its not classified. Regional war (Russia vs European part of NATO) is to fought by non-nuclear plus nuclear weapons. Large-scale war is to fought by all means (including chemical and biological weapons, if necessary).

You could barely handle just Ukraine. So the only means Russia will have are nuclear strikes that will mean immediate reciprocation.

No. The USA won't be able to retaliate if the most of their nukes is destroyed. And yes, you can read modern US nuclear posture. It's not classified, either.

Putin won’t ever touch that self-destruct button.

Deterrence type II is believable because it is not suicidal. That's the point.

 

[AntonToo]

The Russians lived there centures before Ukraine

Here is Putin telling you that you are full of shit, that Ukranian borders are clearly set and that Russia has no territorial claims in Ukraine:

Putin's 2008 Comments On Crimea, Before A Sharp Change Of Tack

In an interview with Germany's ARD television in 2008, Russian President Vladimir Putin stated that Moscow recognizes all of Ukraine's borders, and that there is no issue of ethnic conflict in Crimea. His comments stand in stark contrast with Moscow's annexation of Crimea in 2014.

www.rferl.org

 

[Zavulon]

You are completely nuts and I've already explained exactly why your silly propaganda doesn't make any sense in terms of the timeline of the conflict.

Nobody was killing "Russian people" in Crimea and Donbass when Russian army and hybrid forces invaded those territories.

Just another plain lie of yours. February, 20 2014, eight buses with Crimean anti-maidan activists were stopped by Ukrainian Nazies and their passagers were murdered.

 

[AntonToo]

No. The USA won't be able to retaliate if the most of their nukes is destroyed.

Thats just another fantasy of yours, nothing more.