Rasmussen: Romney expands lead to +2

[Dr.House]

Who cares what the Polls say now... Tell me what they say after the debates.

They will say that Romney got crushed. Obama can beat Romney at the debates just by repeating Romney's own from when he disagreed with an opinion he now agrees with.

Don't you libs call that "evolving your position"... Like Barry and gay marriage....

 

[Zander]

Who cares what the Polls say now... Tell me what they say after the debates.

I tend to agree. though the polls do dispell the myth some of the progressives on the board are trying to proclaim as truth. Namely that Romney is in a free fall.

Peggy Noonan and other conservatives say Romney is in freefall as well. Romney can't win the electoral votes. It's just that simple, he doesn't have the numbers.

Keep self soothing .......

 

[Roudy]

Who cares what the Polls say now... Tell me what they say after the debates.

I tend to agree. though the polls do dispell the myth some of the progressives on the board are trying to proclaim as truth. Namely that Romney is in a free fall.

Peggy Noonan and other conservatives say Romney is in freefall as well. Romney can't win the electoral votes. It's just that simple, he doesn't have the numbers.

Peggy Noonan? Gallup just showed that Obamaloney's bounce just dissipated. What kind of free fall would that be?

 

[Dr.Traveler]

I didn't ask you about Romney. I asked about Obama. For now we will assume every negative thing about Romney is true. Why can't Obama break away?

Because he's a weak president that is only in a winning position because:
1. He's an incumbent
2. He's running against a weak challenger.

The fact that neither of them seem to be able to break away, and various polling organizations seem to barely put either man above 50% (in fact some have both at sub 50%) really speaks to how weak both are.

Romney can still win. But right now it's looking like Obama will get narrowly re-elected in the Electoral College. Romney hasn't make the case he deserves the Presidency yet to a majority of people, and sadly you can't win the White House on a platform of "The other guy sucks."

Even Reagan, running against Jimmy Carter, had more to his platform than "Carter sucks."

 

[Roudy]

Here's some more great news to be optimistic about, Ratmuffin just EXPANDED Willard's lead from +2 to +1. Willard's landslide is EXPANDING beyond belief!!!

Why not ask this question? Romney is the challenger with only his record at Bain and as Governor to run on. Like or hate it, it's not the point for this question. Obama the INCUMBENT President who the Dems/Libs/Left want everyone to think is the next coming of the Messiah is in a neck and neck race with what you guys call a LOSER!. You blabber all day long about Obama's accomplishments.

Why is it that he isn't trouncing Romney with the election so close? You have the media on your side. You claim FOX is full of shit. Every word Romney says is a gaff.

So tell me why can't Obama break away to a big lead. His so called recod alone should be self fullfilling on that score.

I'm awaiting your reply...

I'll be honest, I'm actually surprised as hell that Romney can't seem to really break out. I'd have expect Romney at +5 at this point if you'd asked me after the 2010 elections. Rasmussen showing only +2 nationally, and losing the electoral college when you have as weak a president as Obama doesn't say much for Romney.

The reason Romney doesn't have a bigger lead is because the media have lost their fucking mind and are no longer patriots or objective, and are doing anything they can including lying and diverting to provide cover for socialist bullshit artist Hussien Obama the wealth distributor.

 

[edthecynic]

Why not ask this question? Romney is the challenger with only his record at Bain and as Governor to run on. Like or hate it, it's not the point for this question. Obama the INCUMBENT President who the Dems/Libs/Left want everyone to think is the next coming of the Messiah is in a neck and neck race with what you guys call a LOSER!. You blabber all day long about Obama's accomplishments.

Why is it that he isn't trouncing Romney with the election so close? You have the media on your side. You claim FOX is full of shit. Every word Romney says is a gaff.

So tell me why can't Obama break away to a big lead. His so called recod alone should be self fullfilling on that score.

I'm awaiting your reply...

I'll be honest, I'm actually surprised as hell that Romney can't seem to really break out. I'd have expect Romney at +5 at this point if you'd asked me after the 2010 elections. Rasmussen showing only +2 nationally, and losing the electoral college when you have as weak a president as Obama doesn't say much for Romney.

The reason Romney doesn't have a bigger lead is because the media have lost their fucking mind and are no longer patriots or objective, and are doing anything they can including lying and diverting to provide cover for socialist bullshit artist Hussien Obama the wealth distributor.

So basically you are putting Willard in the 47% who see themselves as VICTIMS, in this case a VICTIM of the media.

 

[Dr.Traveler]

The reason Romney doesn't have a bigger lead is because the media have lost their fucking mind and are no longer patriots or objective, and are doing anything they can including lying and diverting to provide cover for socialist bullshit artist Hussien Obama the wealth distributor.

Don't buy it at all. But let's say you're right. Bush won re-electrion despite a hostile liberal media. Romney is one of the best funded candidates the GOP have ever put forward. He's enjoying support from pretty much the entire New Media structure of Radio, Blogosphere, and Fox News. He can literally buy airtime all over the USA.

So how the hell is he not actually winning against Obama? How is he losing the electoral college against a President that is facing an unemployment rate well past 8%?

The answer is Romney is doing an inept job of running his campaign and that Romney is a weak candidate that gets AT BEST tepid response from his own base. He should be running away with this. He's not.

 

[Zander]

The reason Romney doesn't have a bigger lead is because the media have lost their fucking mind and are no longer patriots or objective, and are doing anything they can including lying and diverting to provide cover for socialist bullshit artist Hussien Obama the wealth distributor.

Don't buy it at all. But let's say you're right. Bush won re-electrion despite a hostile liberal media. Romney is one of the best funded candidates the GOP have ever put forward. He's enjoying support from pretty much the entire New Media structure of Radio, Blogosphere, and Fox News. He can literally buy airtime all over the USA.

So how the hell is he not actually winning against Obama? How is he losing the electoral college against a President that is facing an unemployment rate well past 8%?

The answer is Romney is doing an inept job of running his campaign and that Romney is a weak candidate that gets AT BEST tepid response from his own base. He should be running away with this. He's not.

Bullshit. That is the narrative that the MSM so dearly wants to push. The truth is so much simpler; Romney is kicking Obama's ass in the polls and in the Electoral College. The pollsters (even Rasmussen) are basing their models on the 2008 results - they are assuming that Democrat turnout will be the same (or even better for dems) as it was in 2008.

Now ask yourself Dr T, do you really think that is going to happen? Not a chance in hell.....GOP voters are going to quietly and politely turn out in droves election day, just like they did in 2010.

 

[candycorn]

I didn't ask you about Romney. I asked about Obama. For now we will assume every negative thing about Romney is true. Why can't Obama break away?

Because he's a weak president that is only in a winning position because:
1. He's an incumbent
2. He's running against a weak challenger.

The fact that neither of them seem to be able to break away, and various polling organizations seem to barely put either man above 50% (in fact some have both at sub 50%) really speaks to how weak both are.

Romney can still win. But right now it's looking like Obama will get narrowly re-elected in the Electoral College. Romney hasn't make the case he deserves the Presidency yet to a majority of people, and sadly you can't win the White House on a platform of "The other guy sucks."

Even Reagan, running against Jimmy Carter, had more to his platform than "Carter sucks."

A can of warm spit would get the same numbers Romney is getting. It may come as a grave shock to Beretta/Tea party Samurai but the country is politically divided between R's and D's.

 

[Avatar4321]

A can of warm spit would get the same numbers Romney is getting. It may come as a grave shock to Beretta/Tea party Samurai but the country is politically divided between R's and D's.

So that explains Obama's numbers...

 

[Zander]

I didn't ask you about Romney. I asked about Obama. For now we will assume every negative thing about Romney is true. Why can't Obama break away?

Because he's a weak president that is only in a winning position because:
1. He's an incumbent
2. He's running against a weak challenger.

The fact that neither of them seem to be able to break away, and various polling organizations seem to barely put either man above 50% (in fact some have both at sub 50%) really speaks to how weak both are.

Romney can still win. But right now it's looking like Obama will get narrowly re-elected in the Electoral College. Romney hasn't make the case he deserves the Presidency yet to a majority of people, and sadly you can't win the White House on a platform of "The other guy sucks."

Even Reagan, running against Jimmy Carter, had more to his platform than "Carter sucks."

A can of warm spit would get the same numbers Romney is getting. It may come as a grave shock to Beretta/Tea party Samurai but the country is politically divided between R's and D's.

Actually, no. It isn't. Here is 2008....The Democrats had a nearly 8% advantage over Reps on election day...

now here is 2012....Reps lead Dems by 4%...

Most of the pollsters are using the 2008 party identification numbers in their models instead of the most recent numbers. Privately they know Obama is going to lose, but they will not revise their polls until the last day. That way they can continue to pound home the leftwing narrative that "Romney is struggling"....

 

[candycorn]

Because he's a weak president that is only in a winning position because:
1. He's an incumbent
2. He's running against a weak challenger.

The fact that neither of them seem to be able to break away, and various polling organizations seem to barely put either man above 50% (in fact some have both at sub 50%) really speaks to how weak both are.

Romney can still win. But right now it's looking like Obama will get narrowly re-elected in the Electoral College. Romney hasn't make the case he deserves the Presidency yet to a majority of people, and sadly you can't win the White House on a platform of "The other guy sucks."

Even Reagan, running against Jimmy Carter, had more to his platform than "Carter sucks."

A can of warm spit would get the same numbers Romney is getting. It may come as a grave shock to Beretta/Tea party Samurai but the country is politically divided between R's and D's.

Actually, no. It isn't. Here is 2008....The Democrats had a nearly 8% advantage over Reps on election day...

now here is 2012....Reps lead Dems by 4%...

Most of the pollsters are using the 2008 party identification numbers in their models instead of the most recent numbers. Privately they know Obama is going to lose, but they will not revise their polls until the last day. That way they can continue to pound home the leftwing narrative that "Romney is struggling"....

The country isn't divided? Now that is about the dumbest thing I've heard you say right up until you denied that Romney is struggling.


You're 2 for 2 dickweed.

 

[NYcarbineer]

And in real news,

the latest Pew poll has the President up by 8, among likely voters.

Hey, where's the guy who said as soon as the pollsters all went to likely voters Obama would be sunk?

Where's he hiding?

Pew: Obama Leads By 8 Points, DNC Bolsters Dem Enthusiasm - Yahoo! News

 

[Zander]

A can of warm spit would get the same numbers Romney is getting. It may come as a grave shock to Beretta/Tea party Samurai but the country is politically divided between R's and D's.

Actually, no. It isn't. Here is 2008....The Democrats had a nearly 8% advantage over Reps on election day...

now here is 2012....Reps lead Dems by 4%...

Most of the pollsters are using the 2008 party identification numbers in their models instead of the most recent numbers. Privately they know Obama is going to lose, but they will not revise their polls until the last day. That way they can continue to pound home the leftwing narrative that "Romney is struggling"....

The country isn't divided? Now that is about the dumbest thing I've heard you say right up until you denied that Romney is struggling.


You're 2 for 2 dickweed.

You really are a dull one. Let me type extra slow you slimy douchenozzle....

you didn't say "the country is divided". You said: "the country is politically divided between R's and D's"

It's not. There are 30% independents....

 

[Dr.Traveler]

Bullshit. That is the narrative that the MSM so dearly wants to push. The truth is so much simpler; Romney is kicking Obama's ass in the polls and in the Electoral College. The pollsters (even Rasmussen) are basing their models on the 2008 results - they are assuming that Democrat turnout will be the same (or even better for dems) as it was in 2008.

Now ask yourself Dr T, do you really think that is going to happen? Not a chance in hell.....GOP voters are going to quietly and politely turn out in droves election day, just like they did in 2010.

I'm using Rasmussen here. Hardly the MSM.

The facts are this, you can only intelligently and logically reason using the facts and data you have. If you want to go by what you "think" will happen, you're welcome to it, but it's about as valid as what Romney's and Obama's campaign managers say will happen.

If you want to know what I think will happen, I'll tell you. The pollsters will be right when you look at the averages. The GOP isn't anymore likely to turn out to support Romney than the DNC is to turn out to support Obama. Both candidates are fairly weak even in their own party. If you think you'll see GOP or Tea Party turnout like in 2010, you're as crazy as the folks who think you'll see DNC turnout as heavy as in 2008.

I strongly suspect Obama will eek out a fairly narrow win across enough swing states to win, and NONE of the lean or safe states will flip. He'll probably take Virginia and Ohio and either win or make it very close in Florida because Romney bet on the wrong running mate.

But what I'll stand by is the math, and right now, Rasmussen, who I consider to be the pollster most likely to show GOP heavy results, is showing a Romney loss in the Electoral College. Toss in the rest of the spectrum that's showing Obama up, and I'd predict a win for Obama.

 

[candycorn]

Actually, no. It isn't. Here is 2008....The Democrats had a nearly 8% advantage over Reps on election day...

now here is 2012....Reps lead Dems by 4%...

Most of the pollsters are using the 2008 party identification numbers in their models instead of the most recent numbers. Privately they know Obama is going to lose, but they will not revise their polls until the last day. That way they can continue to pound home the leftwing narrative that "Romney is struggling"....

The country isn't divided? Now that is about the dumbest thing I've heard you say right up until you denied that Romney is struggling.


You're 2 for 2 dickweed.

You really are a dull one. Let me type extra slow you slimy douchenozzle....

you didn't say "the country is divided". You said: "the country is politically divided between R's and D's"

It's not. There are 30% independents....

Ahh..okay lets remember this statistic. Will you stand by it when Obama wins and you then would have to admit that Obama won the independent vote? I'm sure you'll come up with some other excuse as to Obama winning. Typical loser.

I own you.

 

[edthecynic]

Willard's amazing expansion continues on Ratmuffin to an outstanding -2, a 3 point expansion in one day!!!!! The Willard landslide is impossible to stop now.

 

[Rinata]

I tend to agree. though the polls do dispell the myth some of the progressives on the board are trying to proclaim as truth. Namely that Romney is in a free fall.

Peggy Noonan and other conservatives say Romney is in freefall as well. Romney can't win the electoral votes. It's just that simple, he doesn't have the numbers.

Peggy Noonan? Gallup just showed that Obamaloney's bounce just dissipated. What kind of free fall would that be?

What are you talking about??? Please provide links for what you post. What you are saying is not true.

Fox News poll: Obama up 7% in Virginia

Fox News poll: Obama up 5% in Florida

Fox News poll: Obama up 7% in Ohio

GOP 12

Obama Ahead with Stronger Support, Better Image and Lead on Most Issues

At this stage in the campaign, Barack Obama is in a strong position compared with past victorious presidential candidates. With an eight-point lead over Mitt Romney among likely voters, Obama holds a bigger September lead than the last three candidates who went on to win in November, including Obama four years ago. In elections since 1988, only Bill Clinton, in 1992 and 1996, entered the fall with a larger advantage.


Not only does Obama enjoy a substantial lead in the horserace, he tops Romney on a number of key dimensions. His support is stronger than his rival’s, and is positive rather than negative.

Obama Ahead with Stronger Support, Better Image and Lead on Most Issues | Pew Research Center for the People and the Press

 

[NYcarbineer]

The odd thing about Rasmussen is this:

In 2008, Rasmussen got the election pretty close; they had Obama by 6 in their final poll, Obama won by 7.3.

Many people have cited that as the reason Rasmussen is reliable.

BUT:

In 2008, if you go back through the fall and summer, Rasmussen was in line the whole time with the other polls. Rasmussen was close to the average all that time.

NOW, however, in 2012, Rasmussen has been consistently well off the average, to the Romney side, for months. In sharp contrast to 2008.

Why????

 

[Zander]

The odd thing about Rasmussen is this:

In 2008, Rasmussen got the election pretty close; they had Obama by 6 in their final poll, Obama won by 7.3.

Many people have cited that as the reason Rasmussen is reliable.

BUT:

In 2008, if you go back through the fall and summer, Rasmussen was in line the whole time with the other polls. Rasmussen was close to the average all that time.

NOW, however, in 2012, Rasmussen has been consistently well off the average, to the Romney side, for months. In sharp contrast to 2008.

Why????

It's very simple. Rasmussen samples using ONLY a likely voter screen, and it bases its sample on its own (very accurate) poll of party identification- in other words- they use the most up to date numbers. The other pollsters are using the 2008 party identification figures- numbers that skew the polls by D+7 or higher. Marquette University conducted a poll recently that used a D+11!! Reality will be a bitch come Nov 6th...