Rand Paul Unleashes LIVE On Senate Floor – Names Whistleblower Eric Ciaramella 5 Times

[Ray From Cleveland]

We've been over the facts of the case in a hundred threads. Trump asked Zelensky for a favor, that favor was not contingent on US aid, and the aid was released by Trump before it was even due to be released. There was no quid pro quo because Trump never got anything before or after releasing the aid. And Biden was not his rival because nobody knew who his rival would be.

As far as this whistleblower stuff goes, you just want to sweep that under the rug.

That's opinion - your interpretation (and yes, my opinion is my interpretation) - but there was a clear attempt to withhold aid, approved by Congress to pressure Ukraine into ANNOUNCING an investigation. Biden was and is his strongest rival. Everyone knew he was going to run and would likely poll strongest against Trump AND most of the other likely candidates are much further left. It's silly and disingenuous to think otherwise, so don't insult me with that.

You and I both know politics (on both sides) is full of dirt. This is just one example.

What I say is not interpretation, it's definition of words.

favor
[ fey-ver ]
SEE SYNONYMS FOR favor ON THESAURUS.COM
noun
something done or granted out of goodwill, rather than from justice or for remuneration; a kind act: to ask a favor.

Definition of favor | Dictionary.com

See what I'm talking about? Actual words and definitions.

Now if you challenge me, then please show me in the call where Trump told Zelensky the aid was based on his cooperation. You can't show me that because Trump never said it. It's your "interpretation" of what you heard, not actual words. And it's not even your interpretation, it's what the commies told you theirs was.

We can play semantics all you want but you and I both know what "favor" means when the requestor is powerful, and is withholding something you need. We both know what "favor" means in politics. So don't play these games - it disengenius.

I do know what favor means. I posted the definition and my source.

Riddle me this: If the commies thought Trump was threatening Zelensky with the aid, why didn't they wait until he actually did it? Why didn't they wait until Zelensky came through with the "favors" Trump wanted before he released the aid? It would have made a much more solid case, don't you think?

The truth is after listening to that phone call, it was clear to them Trump would never do such a thing. So instead, use mind reading as an excuse to impeach him.

once that 'announcement' was made - biden would have been sunk - - done dirty & unfairly. the genie would have been outa the bottle & there would have been no going back.

Do you know why that excuse is nothing but bull? It's because the actions by the Democrats couldn't have made it worse for Biden. If they let Trump actually go through with the announcement, then some people would have heard, and of course, the faithful MSM would have kept it a one day story at best. But now they made it so everybody knows. It's even part of history because it's no longer a day long story, it's over a two month long impeachment.

You have to think a little harder before you post the cheap excuses you wish to make for the Democrats.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I think you are spinning it from pretty thin thread.

I don't know of many - maybe not any - whistle blowers from the Intellegence community that have come out front and center by choice. Can you think of any?

I think it's risky on many fronts both to them, to their jobs, and to their families. That's a big reason why there is confidentiality. Trump is also well known for retaliation.

And - again - there is still the matter of what he reported, the actual facts of the case.

We've been over the facts of the case in a hundred threads. Trump asked Zelensky for a favor, that favor was not contingent on US aid, and the aid was released by Trump before it was even due to be released. There was no quid pro quo because Trump never got anything before or after releasing the aid. And Biden was not his rival because nobody knew who his rival would be.

As far as this whistleblower stuff goes, you just want to sweep that under the rug.

That's opinion - your interpretation (and yes, my opinion is my interpretation) - but there was a clear attempt to withhold aid, approved by Congress to pressure Ukraine into ANNOUNCING an investigation. Biden was and is his strongest rival. Everyone knew he was going to run and would likely poll strongest against Trump AND most of the other likely candidates are much further left. It's silly and disingenuous to think otherwise, so don't insult me with that.

You and I both know politics (on both sides) is full of dirt. This is just one example.

What I say is not interpretation, it's definition of words.

favor
[ fey-ver ]
SEE SYNONYMS FOR favor ON THESAURUS.COM
noun
something done or granted out of goodwill, rather than from justice or for remuneration; a kind act: to ask a favor.

Definition of favor | Dictionary.com

See what I'm talking about? Actual words and definitions.

Now if you challenge me, then please show me in the call where Trump told Zelensky the aid was based on his cooperation. You can't show me that because Trump never said it. It's your "interpretation" of what you heard, not actual words. And it's not even your interpretation, it's what the commies told you theirs was.

We can play semantics all you want but you and I both know what "favor" means when the requestor is powerful, and is withholding something you need. We both know what "favor" means in politics. So don't play these games - it disengenius.

michael cohen also testified that donny always uses phrases & says things indirectly - but you know 'exactly' what he means.

And you can't get any more when it comes to credibility and honesty than Michael Cohen.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

What are you Trumptards going to do when Bolton starts talking? Or his book come out? Blame Schiff? Lol!

Nobody is stopping him from talking. He can talk all he wants now. He can do interviews, write op-eds, whatever he wants.

trump is still trying to stop it ray ray. yer prez wants to silence & censor those that speak out against him. that's full tilt fascism & goes di-rectly against the 1st amendment of the us constitution.

White House seeks to block publication of Bolton's book
By Brett Samuels - 01/29/20 01:11 PM EST
White House seeks to block publication of Bolton's book

donny is claiming that bolton may leak classified info.. LOL!!!! john bolton has been around for decades, going back as far as reagan & was NSA for christ's sake. he knows what he could & could not divulge. your mango mussolini is scared shitless of what is gonna come out.

So where does it say he is being stopped? If he's such an expert on classified information, he doesn't have to worry about talking about it in interviews.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Why?

Because it was unnecessary, potentially illegal, put's his life and his family in jeopardy. Everything in the report was independently verified. The only reason to do this is to ruin a man's life for doing the right thing and reporting on something even his superiors agreed was credible.

You guys are just nuts.

Think of precedents - if we can't protect whistle blowers reporting on unethical conduct from our government - who will take the risk of reporting?

What is so weird is it's typically the RIGHT that takes the position of checks and balance on the government. Things have certainly changed.

No one prosecuted and punished whistleblowers more than the Barrypuppet.

really who? but i sure remember when cheney outed valerie plame.

Not exactly a rightwing slanted site.........

Where Was the Love for Whistleblowers During the Obama Administration? | RealClearPolitics

so are you saying outing this dude is ok, cause obama did the same thing & so did W.'s administration?

so are you saying outing this dude is ok,

Is there a law against "outing this dude"?

 

[playtime]

That's opinion - your interpretation (and yes, my opinion is my interpretation) - but there was a clear attempt to withhold aid, approved by Congress to pressure Ukraine into ANNOUNCING an investigation. Biden was and is his strongest rival. Everyone knew he was going to run and would likely poll strongest against Trump AND most of the other likely candidates are much further left. It's silly and disingenuous to think otherwise, so don't insult me with that.

You and I both know politics (on both sides) is full of dirt. This is just one example.

What I say is not interpretation, it's definition of words.

favor
[ fey-ver ]
SEE SYNONYMS FOR favor ON THESAURUS.COM
noun
something done or granted out of goodwill, rather than from justice or for remuneration; a kind act: to ask a favor.

Definition of favor | Dictionary.com

See what I'm talking about? Actual words and definitions.

Now if you challenge me, then please show me in the call where Trump told Zelensky the aid was based on his cooperation. You can't show me that because Trump never said it. It's your "interpretation" of what you heard, not actual words. And it's not even your interpretation, it's what the commies told you theirs was.

We can play semantics all you want but you and I both know what "favor" means when the requestor is powerful, and is withholding something you need. We both know what "favor" means in politics. So don't play these games - it disengenius.

I do know what favor means. I posted the definition and my source.

Riddle me this: If the commies thought Trump was threatening Zelensky with the aid, why didn't they wait until he actually did it? Why didn't they wait until Zelensky came through with the "favors" Trump wanted before he released the aid? It would have made a much more solid case, don't you think?

The truth is after listening to that phone call, it was clear to them Trump would never do such a thing. So instead, use mind reading as an excuse to impeach him.

once that 'announcement' was made - biden would have been sunk - - done dirty & unfairly. the genie would have been outa the bottle & there would have been no going back.

Do you know why that excuse is nothing but bull? It's because the actions by the Democrats couldn't have made it worse for Biden. If they let Trump actually go through with the announcement, then some people would have heard, and of course, the faithful MSM would have kept it a one day story at best. But now they made it so everybody knows. It's even part of history because it's no longer a day long story, it's over a two month long impeachment.

You have to think a little harder before you post the cheap excuses you wish to make for the Democrats.

ray ray ray.... you post crap like coup, deep state. & schiff was in on it. you use the word 'rat' like a cappo thug - just like yer prez... you can't possibly think i take your deductive reasoning seriously?

 

[playtime]

We've been over the facts of the case in a hundred threads. Trump asked Zelensky for a favor, that favor was not contingent on US aid, and the aid was released by Trump before it was even due to be released. There was no quid pro quo because Trump never got anything before or after releasing the aid. And Biden was not his rival because nobody knew who his rival would be.

As far as this whistleblower stuff goes, you just want to sweep that under the rug.

That's opinion - your interpretation (and yes, my opinion is my interpretation) - but there was a clear attempt to withhold aid, approved by Congress to pressure Ukraine into ANNOUNCING an investigation. Biden was and is his strongest rival. Everyone knew he was going to run and would likely poll strongest against Trump AND most of the other likely candidates are much further left. It's silly and disingenuous to think otherwise, so don't insult me with that.

You and I both know politics (on both sides) is full of dirt. This is just one example.

What I say is not interpretation, it's definition of words.

favor
[ fey-ver ]
SEE SYNONYMS FOR favor ON THESAURUS.COM
noun
something done or granted out of goodwill, rather than from justice or for remuneration; a kind act: to ask a favor.

Definition of favor | Dictionary.com

See what I'm talking about? Actual words and definitions.

Now if you challenge me, then please show me in the call where Trump told Zelensky the aid was based on his cooperation. You can't show me that because Trump never said it. It's your "interpretation" of what you heard, not actual words. And it's not even your interpretation, it's what the commies told you theirs was.

We can play semantics all you want but you and I both know what "favor" means when the requestor is powerful, and is withholding something you need. We both know what "favor" means in politics. So don't play these games - it disengenius.

michael cohen also testified that donny always uses phrases & says things indirectly - but you know 'exactly' what he means.

And you can't get any more when it comes to credibility and honesty than Michael Cohen.

<pfffft> donny kept him on as a lawyer for a decade. he trusted cohen enough to help cover up the porn star & playboy bunny payments....he knows trump inside & out.

& tony schwartz who ghost wrote 'the art of the deal', said the same thing.

 

[playtime]

What are you Trumptards going to do when Bolton starts talking? Or his book come out? Blame Schiff? Lol!

Nobody is stopping him from talking. He can talk all he wants now. He can do interviews, write op-eds, whatever he wants.

trump is still trying to stop it ray ray. yer prez wants to silence & censor those that speak out against him. that's full tilt fascism & goes di-rectly against the 1st amendment of the us constitution.

White House seeks to block publication of Bolton's book
By Brett Samuels - 01/29/20 01:11 PM EST
White House seeks to block publication of Bolton's book

donny is claiming that bolton may leak classified info.. LOL!!!! john bolton has been around for decades, going back as far as reagan & was NSA for christ's sake. he knows what he could & could not divulge. your mango mussolini is scared shitless of what is gonna come out.

So where does it say he is being stopped? If he's such an expert on classified information, he doesn't have to worry about talking about it in interviews.

bolton has been threatened with legal repercussions if the book is released. he obviously isn't doing interviews to keep the desire for his book rising so he can max out the cash he'll get.

doy.

 

[playtime]

Because it was unnecessary, potentially illegal, put's his life and his family in jeopardy. Everything in the report was independently verified. The only reason to do this is to ruin a man's life for doing the right thing and reporting on something even his superiors agreed was credible.

You guys are just nuts.

Think of precedents - if we can't protect whistle blowers reporting on unethical conduct from our government - who will take the risk of reporting?

What is so weird is it's typically the RIGHT that takes the position of checks and balance on the government. Things have certainly changed.

No one prosecuted and punished whistleblowers more than the Barrypuppet.

really who? but i sure remember when cheney outed valerie plame.

Not exactly a rightwing slanted site.........

Where Was the Love for Whistleblowers During the Obama Administration? | RealClearPolitics

so are you saying outing this dude is ok, cause obama did the same thing & so did W.'s administration?

so are you saying outing this dude is ok,

Is there a law against "outing this dude"?

are you saying that he will be safe against a deplorable bent on avenging donny? are you saying that chance should get raised?

 

[wamose]

Ciaramella is another Fredo, just like that Cris Cuomo punk. He's a natural, just like Avenotti was, to become a Democrat hero

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

No one prosecuted and punished whistleblowers more than the Barrypuppet.

really who? but i sure remember when cheney outed valerie plame.

Not exactly a rightwing slanted site.........

Where Was the Love for Whistleblowers During the Obama Administration? | RealClearPolitics

so are you saying outing this dude is ok, cause obama did the same thing & so did W.'s administration?

so are you saying outing this dude is ok,

Is there a law against "outing this dude"?

are you saying that he will be safe against a deplorable bent on avenging donny? are you saying that chance should get raised?

are you saying that he will be safe against a deplorable bent on avenging Donny?

Are you saying that there is no law against it?

 

[JWBooth]

A very wrong thing to do.

Why?

Because it was unnecessary, potentially illegal, put's his life and his family in jeopardy. Everything in the report was independently verified. The only reason to do this is to ruin a man's life for doing the right thing and reporting on something even his superiors agreed was credible.

You guys are just nuts.

Think of precedents - if we can't protect whistle blowers reporting on unethical conduct from our government - who will take the risk of reporting?

What is so weird is it's typically the RIGHT that takes the position of checks and balance on the government. Things have certainly changed.

Eric Ciaramella‘s name has been out since days after this nonsense started. The pretense that Paul outed anybody is laughable, and likely the point he was making.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

What are you Trumptards going to do when Bolton starts talking? Or his book come out? Blame Schiff? Lol!

Nobody is stopping him from talking. He can talk all he wants now. He can do interviews, write op-eds, whatever he wants.

trump is still trying to stop it ray ray. yer prez wants to silence & censor those that speak out against him. that's full tilt fascism & goes di-rectly against the 1st amendment of the us constitution.

White House seeks to block publication of Bolton's book
By Brett Samuels - 01/29/20 01:11 PM EST
White House seeks to block publication of Bolton's book

donny is claiming that bolton may leak classified info.. LOL!!!! john bolton has been around for decades, going back as far as reagan & was NSA for christ's sake. he knows what he could & could not divulge. your mango mussolini is scared shitless of what is gonna come out.

So where does it say he is being stopped? If he's such an expert on classified information, he doesn't have to worry about talking about it in interviews.

bolton has been threatened with legal repercussions if the book is released. he obviously isn't doing interviews to keep the desire for his book rising so he can max out the cash he'll get.

doy.

The only government threat to Bolton is the possibility that he may accidentally leak out sensitive government information. Yes, they said it's not a good idea to release such a book just before an election, but they can't stop him from doing it. The book really needs to be vetted and given the approval stamp by our security agencies.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

What I say is not interpretation, it's definition of words.

favor
[ fey-ver ]
SEE SYNONYMS FOR favor ON THESAURUS.COM
noun
something done or granted out of goodwill, rather than from justice or for remuneration; a kind act: to ask a favor.

Definition of favor | Dictionary.com

See what I'm talking about? Actual words and definitions.

Now if you challenge me, then please show me in the call where Trump told Zelensky the aid was based on his cooperation. You can't show me that because Trump never said it. It's your "interpretation" of what you heard, not actual words. And it's not even your interpretation, it's what the commies told you theirs was.

We can play semantics all you want but you and I both know what "favor" means when the requestor is powerful, and is withholding something you need. We both know what "favor" means in politics. So don't play these games - it disengenius.

I do know what favor means. I posted the definition and my source.

Riddle me this: If the commies thought Trump was threatening Zelensky with the aid, why didn't they wait until he actually did it? Why didn't they wait until Zelensky came through with the "favors" Trump wanted before he released the aid? It would have made a much more solid case, don't you think?

The truth is after listening to that phone call, it was clear to them Trump would never do such a thing. So instead, use mind reading as an excuse to impeach him.

once that 'announcement' was made - biden would have been sunk - - done dirty & unfairly. the genie would have been outa the bottle & there would have been no going back.

Do you know why that excuse is nothing but bull? It's because the actions by the Democrats couldn't have made it worse for Biden. If they let Trump actually go through with the announcement, then some people would have heard, and of course, the faithful MSM would have kept it a one day story at best. But now they made it so everybody knows. It's even part of history because it's no longer a day long story, it's over a two month long impeachment.

You have to think a little harder before you post the cheap excuses you wish to make for the Democrats.

ray ray ray.... you post crap like coup, deep state. & schiff was in on it. you use the word 'rat' like a cappo thug - just like yer prez... you can't possibly think i take your deductive reasoning seriously?

People who work for the deep state are rats. Deep state means a hidden government working to undermine the real government. That's what we have with this guy and so many others. Anybody working to undermine the President of this country, not to mentions the voters, needs to be thrown out of government and never to return.

 

[jc456]

Dejas Vous and here we go again.

Let's simplify it down. What does it say?

The IC IG must be in possession of reliable, first-hand information. The IC IG cannot transmit information via the ICWPA based on an employee’s second-hand knowledge of wrongdoing.

It's incumbent on the IG to verify or find reliable first hand information before the report can be transmitted. Checks and balances.

What it does NOT say is that a whistle blower can only be a whistle blower with first hand information. In fact the form used REQUIRES the whistle blower to identify whether or not the info is first hand or not.

I'm not sure what you are getting at here because that reads like you are backing up my/rays claim, if so please allow me time to re-evaluate my position.

What claim exactly do you think it backs up?

It outlines the process (the article at the link) - the whistle blower's role and the IG's role. The IG's responsibility is to confirm whether or not it's credible by verifying and, if needed getting first hand accounts if the whistle blower provided second hand accounts.

If the IG can not confirm credibility, the complaint is not sent up, that is all.

The whistle blower is NOT required to provide first hand info.

In this case it was deemed credible.

You do realize the rules were changed after the fact to allow only second hand knowledge, right?

i showed you in the report where you are wrong on that. the same rule was followed that was in place since 2018.

you did, I don't see that in the thread.

 

[jc456]

Yes it does. Again, page two, first paragraph:

Similarly, speculation about the existence of wrongdoing does not provide sufficient basis to meet the statutory requirements of the ICWPA. If you think wrongdoing took place, but can provide nothing more than second- hand or unsubstantiated assertions, IC IG will not be able to process the complaint or information for submission as an ICWPA.

So what this says is that yes, he could file a complaint, but just not as an actual whistleblower.

But according to the IG, the whistleblower had clear, first hand knowledge. Both were checked off in the report. So he did file the complaint as a whistleblower.

The source provided by Playtime didn't say that. What it described are the two boxes, but didn't elaborate to say both were checked off. After all, you can only check one or the other. It stated the informant had direct knowledge, but didn't use the words first hand information.

According to all reports, the rat got his information from somebody else; second hand information. Therefore one of two things took place here. Either all reporting on the rat are incorrect, and he did have first hand information, or he didn't have first hand information, and lied on the application.

https://www.dni.gov/files/ICIG/Documents/News/ICIG News/2019/September 30 - Statement on Processing of Whistleblower Complaints/ICIG Statement on Processing of Whistleblower Complaints.pdf
The Complainant on the form he or she submitted on August 12, 2019 in fact checked two relevant boxes: The first box stated that, “I have personal and/or direct knowledge of events or records involved”; and the second box stated that, “Other employees have told me about events or records involved.”

As part of his determination that the urgent concern appeared credible, the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community determined that the Complainant had official and authorized access to the information and sources referenced in the Complainant’s Letter and Classified Appendix, including direct knowledge of certain alleged conduct, and that the Complainant has subject matter expertise related to much of the material information provided in the Complainant’s Letter and Classified Appendix.

Now it makes even less sense. How can you have first hand and second hand information? You either have one or the other. If you have first hand information, then second hand information is something you already had.

I think the Republicans should go after this whistleblower after this is all over to find out WTF is going on. Because it's making less and less sense as we go through this.

You can easily have both if it's a complex report.

Why should they go after him? Political vendetta for exposing this?

how?

 

[jillian]

www.citizenfreepress.com ^ | February 4, 2020 12:36 pm | Kane

Fantastic Video — Rand Paul Takes Revenge On Democrat Coup Plot

This just unfolded on Senate floor in the past 30 minutes… Shitte has a heart attack!!! ROTFLMFAO

Lawless trumpkin scum

 

[jc456]

We can play semantics all you want but you and I both know what "favor" means when the requestor is powerful, and is withholding something you need. We both know what "favor" means in politics. So don't play these games - it disengenius.

I do know what favor means. I posted the definition and my source.

Riddle me this: If the commies thought Trump was threatening Zelensky with the aid, why didn't they wait until he actually did it? Why didn't they wait until Zelensky came through with the "favors" Trump wanted before he released the aid? It would have made a much more solid case, don't you think?

The truth is after listening to that phone call, it was clear to them Trump would never do such a thing. So instead, use mind reading as an excuse to impeach him.

once that 'announcement' was made - biden would have been sunk - - done dirty & unfairly. the genie would have been outa the bottle & there would have been no going back.

Do you know why that excuse is nothing but bull? It's because the actions by the Democrats couldn't have made it worse for Biden. If they let Trump actually go through with the announcement, then some people would have heard, and of course, the faithful MSM would have kept it a one day story at best. But now they made it so everybody knows. It's even part of history because it's no longer a day long story, it's over a two month long impeachment.

You have to think a little harder before you post the cheap excuses you wish to make for the Democrats.

ray ray ray.... you post crap like coup, deep state. & schiff was in on it. you use the word 'rat' like a cappo thug - just like yer prez... you can't possibly think i take your deductive reasoning seriously?

People who work for the deep state are rats. Deep state means a hidden government working to undermine the real government. That's what we have with this guy and so many others. Anybody working to undermine the President of this country, not to mentions the voters, needs to be thrown out of government and never to return.

no, he is underming American citizens. the fk with any one individual. this individual is acting above the law. What was the tiresome phrase the left kept repeating, no one is above the law? Exactly, NO ONE!

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I do know what favor means. I posted the definition and my source.

Riddle me this: If the commies thought Trump was threatening Zelensky with the aid, why didn't they wait until he actually did it? Why didn't they wait until Zelensky came through with the "favors" Trump wanted before he released the aid? It would have made a much more solid case, don't you think?

The truth is after listening to that phone call, it was clear to them Trump would never do such a thing. So instead, use mind reading as an excuse to impeach him.

once that 'announcement' was made - biden would have been sunk - - done dirty & unfairly. the genie would have been outa the bottle & there would have been no going back.

Do you know why that excuse is nothing but bull? It's because the actions by the Democrats couldn't have made it worse for Biden. If they let Trump actually go through with the announcement, then some people would have heard, and of course, the faithful MSM would have kept it a one day story at best. But now they made it so everybody knows. It's even part of history because it's no longer a day long story, it's over a two month long impeachment.

You have to think a little harder before you post the cheap excuses you wish to make for the Democrats.

ray ray ray.... you post crap like coup, deep state. & schiff was in on it. you use the word 'rat' like a cappo thug - just like yer prez... you can't possibly think i take your deductive reasoning seriously?

People who work for the deep state are rats. Deep state means a hidden government working to undermine the real government. That's what we have with this guy and so many others. Anybody working to undermine the President of this country, not to mentions the voters, needs to be thrown out of government and never to return.

no, he is underming American citizens. the fk with any one individual. this individual is acting above the law. What was the tiresome phrase the left kept repeating, no one is above the law? Exactly, NO ONE!

They keep talking about his protection. Okay, so what if the WB is really not Ciaramella? Then some kook that thinks he is the rat does harm him, and the real WB is safe. Would they be happy with that?

It has nothing to do with his safety. He is a coconspirator with Schiff, and Schiff wants to make sure it can't be proven.

 

[jc456]

once that 'announcement' was made - biden would have been sunk - - done dirty & unfairly. the genie would have been outa the bottle & there would have been no going back.

Do you know why that excuse is nothing but bull? It's because the actions by the Democrats couldn't have made it worse for Biden. If they let Trump actually go through with the announcement, then some people would have heard, and of course, the faithful MSM would have kept it a one day story at best. But now they made it so everybody knows. It's even part of history because it's no longer a day long story, it's over a two month long impeachment.

You have to think a little harder before you post the cheap excuses you wish to make for the Democrats.

ray ray ray.... you post crap like coup, deep state. & schiff was in on it. you use the word 'rat' like a cappo thug - just like yer prez... you can't possibly think i take your deductive reasoning seriously?

People who work for the deep state are rats. Deep state means a hidden government working to undermine the real government. That's what we have with this guy and so many others. Anybody working to undermine the President of this country, not to mentions the voters, needs to be thrown out of government and never to return.

no, he is underming American citizens. the fk with any one individual. this individual is acting above the law. What was the tiresome phrase the left kept repeating, no one is above the law? Exactly, NO ONE!

They keep talking about his protection. Okay, so what if the WB is really not Ciaramella? Then some kook that thinks he is the rat does harm him, and the real WB is safe. Would they be happy with that?

It has nothing to do with his safety. He is a coconspirator with Schiff, and Schiff wants to make sure it can't be proven.

Again, that's all hogwash times 100. Eric Snowden is known, Seth Rich was murdered for his I believe by the DNC, so, no, there is no such thing as WB protection. And, as I've stated many times in here, Schitt's is the WB.

 

[buckeye45_73]

A very wrong thing to do.

Why?

Because it was unnecessary, potentially illegal, put's his life and his family in jeopardy. Everything in the report was independently verified. The only reason to do this is to ruin a man's life for doing the right thing and reporting on something even his superiors agreed was credible.

You guys are just nuts.

Think of precedents - if we can't protect whistle blowers reporting on unethical conduct from our government - who will take the risk of reporting?

What is so weird is it's typically the RIGHT that takes the position of checks and balance on the government. Things have certainly changed.

This from the side that doxes gun owner (media) and staff of republicans (yeah Schiff release staffers info).
But he cant blow the whistle on something he's not working in. Its spying not whistleblowing.

Yea hard to complain when "the left" does this all the time.

Another right wing lie.

Nope you guys doxed gun owners and republican staffers among many others, In fact you psychos go to places with republicans and try to shout and intimidate them.....you people are fucking despicable and I hope one of you fuckers tries to do it to me, I keep wearing my MAGA hat but in Memphis so far people aren't looking for a beatdown