Rand Paul should be the new President

[Libertary]

I think it is very unfair if you take more than 40% of somebody's income. Rand Paul will not decrease the taxes to zero. Rand Paul did not say that he will allow monopolies.

I think it's fair, hell, take more, if someone is making millions while children are struggling to meet their needs and while people are homeless/millions lack healthcare..

I think this goals can be reached without taking people more than 40% of their income.

How do you plan to fund it within our current system? We could cut the military spending...

Rand Paul will cut the military spending.

Yeah, I seriously doubt that.. Have you seen his tax proposal? It's a fucking disaster. Have you seen what he has tried to do on women's rights?

Please show me that.

 

[blunthead]

Define "liberal".

Liberal in economic points.

No, I mean what do you mean by "liberal"? Define the word as you understand it to mean. It's not a rhetorical question, I just wonder what the word means to you.

The opposite of the socialist state which Barack Obama has made.

Oh, okay. It's curious that modern Democrats claim the term "liberal" when they are anything but.

You're right, liberalism is a disease and liberals need to be sent to siberian camps.

You haven't responded about what I wondering. While you're doing that, if you are going to, do you mind telling me how you define "liberal"?

 

[Socialist]

I think it's fair, hell, take more, if someone is making millions while children are struggling to meet their needs and while people are homeless/millions lack healthcare..

I think this goals can be reached without taking people more than 40% of their income.

How do you plan to fund it within our current system? We could cut the military spending...

Rand Paul will cut the military spending.

Yeah, I seriously doubt that.. Have you seen his tax proposal? It's a fucking disaster. Have you seen what he has tried to do on women's rights?

Please show me that.

Rand Paul s Implausible Flat Tax - Bloomberg View

 

[Avorysuds]

I've taken more then a few terms of political science and I can tell you that most first world countries are social democracies. What is a social democracy? It is a country with a public and private sector that has government regulating them.

The second most powerful nation earth is China, Germany, France, Japan, Britain,etc. What do all these successful nations have in common? They have government regulations and a public sector. Dispute it loons.

Small government hasn't done shit for anyone...Somalia has a small government, Haiti has a small government and we see how they're.

"Small" is relative. Of course a government has to be big enough. It just shouldn't be Big.

I'd rather have nationalization then capitalist stooges sucking up the resources.

They are one and the same...

Dear gawd you people are silly.

And then this fool suggests Government cut military, yeah, Government will shrink itself to make pro Government people like you happy....

You make no sense.

How's that time machine coming along?

 

[Socialist]

Liberal in economic points.

No, I mean what do you mean by "liberal"? Define the word as you understand it to mean. It's not a rhetorical question, I just wonder what the word means to you.

The opposite of the socialist state which Barack Obama has made.

Oh, okay. It's curious that modern Democrats claim the term "liberal" when they are anything but.

You're right, liberalism is a disease and liberals need to be sent to siberian camps.

You haven't responded about what I wondering. While you're doing that, if you are going to, do you mind telling me how you define "liberal"?

I'm referring to classical liberalism, not social liberalism as developed in America. Liberals usually support capitalism, so.. fuck em.

 

[Socialist]

I've taken more then a few terms of political science and I can tell you that most first world countries are social democracies. What is a social democracy? It is a country with a public and private sector that has government regulating them.

The second most powerful nation earth is China, Germany, France, Japan, Britain,etc. What do all these successful nations have in common? They have government regulations and a public sector. Dispute it loons.

Small government hasn't done shit for anyone...Somalia has a small government, Haiti has a small government and we see how they're.

"Small" is relative. Of course a government has to be big enough. It just shouldn't be Big.

I'd rather have nationalization then capitalist stooges sucking up the resources.

They are one and the same...

Dear gawd you people are silly.

And then this fool suggests Government cut military, yeah, Government will shrink itself to make pro Government people like you happy....

You make no sense.

How's that time machine coming along?

No, they're really not, it's common sense.
I'm against any state, well, a state is simply a way for the ruling class to express its power, so if the state represented the common man, that'd be some cool shit. I need a time machine..

 

[blunthead]

Do you have any arguments against this? I think he can make the USA to a better national economy and a very liberal state.

How exactly is decreasing taxes to zero on the super rich and allowing monopolies to run everything = a better economy. Learn economics and you may understand why Rand Paul is bad.

1962: Paradoxically raise revenues by cutting tax rates
President Ronald Reagan said, "The more government takes in taxes, the less incentive people have to work. If, on the other hand, you reduce tax rats and allow people to spend or save more of what they earn, they'll become more industrious; they'll have more incentive to work hard, and money they earn will add fuel to the great economic machine that energizes our national progress. The result: more prosperity for all--and more revenue for government."

“It is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high and tax revenues are too low and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now … Cutting taxes now is not to incur a budget deficit, but to achieve the more prosperous, expanding economy which can bring a budget surplus.” – John F. Kennedy, Nov. 20, 1962, president’s news conference

 

[ScienceRocks]

Social democracy also have mixed socialist/capitalist economies! Too much of either extreme is bad.

 

[blunthead]

No, I mean what do you mean by "liberal"? Define the word as you understand it to mean. It's not a rhetorical question, I just wonder what the word means to you.

The opposite of the socialist state which Barack Obama has made.

Oh, okay. It's curious that modern Democrats claim the term "liberal" when they are anything but.

You're right, liberalism is a disease and liberals need to be sent to siberian camps.

You haven't responded about what I wondering. While you're doing that, if you are going to, do you mind telling me how you define "liberal"?

I'm referring to classical liberalism, not social liberalism as developed in America. Liberals usually support capitalism, so.. fuck em.

So then what about classical liberals makes them worthy of being sent to Siberia?

 

[Socialist]

The opposite of the socialist state which Barack Obama has made.

Oh, okay. It's curious that modern Democrats claim the term "liberal" when they are anything but.

You're right, liberalism is a disease and liberals need to be sent to siberian camps.

You haven't responded about what I wondering. While you're doing that, if you are going to, do you mind telling me how you define "liberal"?

I'm referring to classical liberalism, not social liberalism as developed in America. Liberals usually support capitalism, so.. fuck em.

So then what about classical liberals makes them worthy of being sent to Siberia?

If you didn't catch the obvious joking, it's the support of capitalism.

 

[Avorysuds]

I have come to hate politics. I have found that people chose to be ignorant because they are self centered? Here we have 2 people pushing big government as the answer to our problems in America despite America currently being the biggest Government planet earth in every possibly way. The issue is you guys are still not happy and instead of admitting you were wrong you blame "small Government" despite never even being alive during a small Government period in America's history.

America is circling the drain, no one can say when but we all know it's on it's way out. Why, because we can't afford our Government... 18 trillion in debt, uncountable amounts of unfunded liabilities and you guys want to go bigger! Claiming building a bridge here and there will save us...

You know why the rich can get away with so much? Because they helped create a HUGE Government that favors them....

 

[ScienceRocks]

During Kennedys time the taxes on the top were like 3-4 times as high compared to today...There weren't nearly as many loop holes to hide in either.

What good could possibly come with lowering them more today??? They already don't pay enough for what they take out of the economy.

 

[blunthead]

Oh, okay. It's curious that modern Democrats claim the term "liberal" when they are anything but.

You're right, liberalism is a disease and liberals need to be sent to siberian camps.

You haven't responded about what I wondering. While you're doing that, if you are going to, do you mind telling me how you define "liberal"?

I'm referring to classical liberalism, not social liberalism as developed in America. Liberals usually support capitalism, so.. fuck em.

So then what about classical liberals makes them worthy of being sent to Siberia?

If you didn't catch the obvious joking, it's the support of capitalism.

Are you saying that you think I'm an idiot or something? Have I insulted you? Why suggest that I should've caught something obvious which you said? And while you answer maybe can defend some of what your saying by being specific. What about capitalism do you hate? Are you saying classical liberalism is the same thing as capitalism? I'm just curious what a communist thinks and why.

 

[ScienceRocks]

I have come to hate politics. I have found that people chose to be ignorant because they are self centered? Here we have 2 people pushing big government as the answer to our problems in America despite America currently being the biggest Government planet earth in every possibly way. The issue is you guys are still not happy and instead of admitting you were wrong you blame "small Government" despite never even being alive during a small Government period in America's history.

America is circling the drain, no one can say when but we all know it's on it's way out. Why, because we can't afford our Government... 18 trillion in debt, uncountable amounts of unfunded liabilities and you guys want to go bigger! Claiming building a bridge here and there will save us...

You know why the rich can get away with so much? Because they helped create a HUGE Government that favors them....

I have no problem with that government or even the rich....Just as long as that rich pays their taxes...

People like you want is little government regulating the rich that can do as they damn well please to the worker...That isn't right.

 

[blunthead]

During Kennedys time the taxes on the top were like 3-4 times as high compared to today...There weren't nearly as many loop holes to hide in either.

What good could possibly come with lowering them more today??? They already don't pay enough for what they take out of the economy.

You watch way to much MSNBC. The most wealthy Americans pay 90% of the taxes already. You've been duped by those who want class warfare. You're brainwashed. You're mistaken, wrong, ill-informed.

 

[Avorysuds]

During Kennedys time the taxes on the top were like 3-4 times as high compared to today...There weren't nearly as many loop holes to hide in either.

What good could possibly come with lowering them more today??? They already don't pay enough for what they take out of the economy.

Before you waste more of peoples time proving you know very little about anything could you show what the US revenues through taxation would be if you had any % you like of whatever wealth group you like would be VS our yearly deficit?

I don't want to hear what you would cut if you were Hitler, I want to know how taxing the rich more will pay for the largest Government the world has yet seen.

 

[Socialist]

You're right, liberalism is a disease and liberals need to be sent to siberian camps.

You haven't responded about what I wondering. While you're doing that, if you are going to, do you mind telling me how you define "liberal"?

I'm referring to classical liberalism, not social liberalism as developed in America. Liberals usually support capitalism, so.. fuck em.

So then what about classical liberals makes them worthy of being sent to Siberia?

If you didn't catch the obvious joking, it's the support of capitalism.

Are you saying that you think I'm an idiot or something? Have I insulted you? Why suggest that I should've caught something obvious which you said? And while you answer maybe can defend some of what your saying by being specific. What about capitalism do you hate? Are you saying classical liberalism is the same thing as capitalism? I'm just curious what a communist thinks and why.

Going with the insulting nature of this forum, probably, (Not really.)
Oh lord, what about capitalism do I hate? I could write an essay, but I don't have time and don't want to start a shit storm...
No, I'm not, I'm referring to the support of capitalism.

 

[blunthead]

No, I mean what do you mean by "liberal"? Define the word as you understand it to mean. It's not a rhetorical question, I just wonder what the word means to you.

The opposite of the socialist state which Barack Obama has made.

Oh, okay. It's curious that modern Democrats claim the term "liberal" when they are anything but.

You're right, liberalism is a disease and liberals need to be sent to siberian camps.

You haven't responded about what I wondering. While you're doing that, if you are going to, do you mind telling me how you define "liberal"?

I'm referring to classical liberalism, not social liberalism as developed in America. Liberals usually support capitalism, so.. fuck em.

You think liberals support capitalism? I guess I'm having a hard time not thinking "modern American liberal" when someone says liberal. Of course modern American liberals don't support capitalism, they hate it. You do too, don't you?

 

[hipeter924]

Rand Paul vs Bernie Sanders would be an interesting election to be sure, as they are at opposite ends of the spectrum. But it is far more likely to be Jeb Bush vs Hillary Clinton, so I am not getting my hopes up for any kind of significant shift in the status quo in 2017.

 

[Avorysuds]

I have come to hate politics. I have found that people chose to be ignorant because they are self centered? Here we have 2 people pushing big government as the answer to our problems in America despite America currently being the biggest Government planet earth in every possibly way. The issue is you guys are still not happy and instead of admitting you were wrong you blame "small Government" despite never even being alive during a small Government period in America's history.

America is circling the drain, no one can say when but we all know it's on it's way out. Why, because we can't afford our Government... 18 trillion in debt, uncountable amounts of unfunded liabilities and you guys want to go bigger! Claiming building a bridge here and there will save us...

You know why the rich can get away with so much? Because they helped create a HUGE Government that favors them....

I have no problem with that government or even the rich....Just as long as that rich pays their taxes...

People like you want is little government regulating the rich that can do as they damn well please to the worker...That isn't right.

Again, you prove you have little insight into knowing much of anything you are talking about.

Matt...

USA = Biggest Government in world history

Matt... Despite this huge Government, are the rich paying what you feel their fair share is??? Answer this, just do it.

Now Matt.... Why would the Rich want a small Government when the largest Government ever is working out so well for them?

Oh I realize you have no ability to see or admit you were wrong about something, you will continue to drone on and never move your ass to China.