Rand Paul: "Obamacare is a job killing disaster."

[boedicca]

This thread is such a petri dish chock-full-o' Progressive Ignorance of History and Economics.

Should be fairly easy to point it out then right? Oops

Conservatives on the wrong side of history since they stood with King George in 1776

You are a blithering fool.

 

[Dad2three]

This thread is such a petri dish chock-full-o' Progressive Ignorance of History and Economics.

Should be fairly easy to point it out then right? Oops

Conservatives on the wrong side of history since they stood with King George in 1776

You are a blithering fool.

Torries, same then as they are now, cons. Thanks for taking the time to prove your earlier posit, BTW, lol

 

[kaz]

OMG, I hate when liberals nail me with that. You are so right. OMG, me making my own choices? Government not making it for me? That is such a fairy tale, I'm just insane. I know that, it is a ridiculous idea. I argue the reverse, but even I know it's not true. But when you so precisely call me out for my delusion like that I have to admit the truth.

So baa-ck to what you were saying? LOL. You'd follow the rest of the sheep off a cliff. You actually do, repeatedly.

No you can't give me even ONE example of libertarian bullshit EVER being used by ANY state/nation. Ever. Thanks

The US Constitution

Bzzz. NOT a state or nation.

That thing that gave the US strong federal rights over the weaker Articles of Confederation? lol

The thing where the feds were allowed to tax? Create laws?

No the closest thing libertarians had was the Articles of Confederation which the Founders wisely dumped!

Actually, the US Constitution gave the Federal government weak federal rights over virtually non existent powers of the central government in the articles of confederation.

This also is why stupid people are so funny. When you said the US Constitution "gave the US strong federal rights," that is just hilarious. The US Constitution expressly limits those rights. And you should google the word "federal" since you obviously don't know what it means. That's just funny.

Right, that whole Constitutional thing where the 'God father' of the Constitution wanted to give the feds a right to over rule EVERY state law, instead chose to go with this

"The Congress shall have Power ... To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof."

Seems like my opinion has won out on what the Constitution actually means, from Abe beating back the conservative, slave holding secessionists, to SS, labor laws, min wage, environmental laws, Medicare, ACA, etc. lol

You need to grow up and stop 'believing in' a world where libertarianism has NEVER worked, ANYWHERE at any time!

The US Constitution

 

[Dad2three]

No you can't give me even ONE example of libertarian bullshit EVER being used by ANY state/nation. Ever. Thanks

The US Constitution

Bzzz. NOT a state or nation.

That thing that gave the US strong federal rights over the weaker Articles of Confederation? lol

The thing where the feds were allowed to tax? Create laws?

No the closest thing libertarians had was the Articles of Confederation which the Founders wisely dumped!

Actually, the US Constitution gave the Federal government weak federal rights over virtually non existent powers of the central government in the articles of confederation.

This also is why stupid people are so funny. When you said the US Constitution "gave the US strong federal rights," that is just hilarious. The US Constitution expressly limits those rights. And you should google the word "federal" since you obviously don't know what it means. That's just funny.

Right, that whole Constitutional thing where the 'God father' of the Constitution wanted to give the feds a right to over rule EVERY state law, instead chose to go with this

"The Congress shall have Power ... To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof."

Seems like my opinion has won out on what the Constitution actually means, from Abe beating back the conservative, slave holding secessionists, to SS, labor laws, min wage, environmental laws, Medicare, ACA, etc. lol

You need to grow up and stop 'believing in' a world where libertarianism has NEVER worked, ANYWHERE at any time!

The US Constitution

Yes, thankfully it supports MY position like SS, Medicare, social safety nets, etc, lol

 

[kaz]

The US Constitution

Yes, thankfully it supports MY position like SS, Medicare, social safety nets, etc, lol

Two questions:

1) Where are those things in the Constitution?

2) What does the word "enumerated" mean?

 

[Dad2three]

The US Constitution

Yes, thankfully it supports MY position like SS, Medicare, social safety nets, etc, lol

Two questions:

1) Where are those things in the Constitution?

2) What does the word "enumerated" mean?

1) Things That Are Not In the U.S. Constitution

The word "democracy"
Abortion
Capitalism

• The Air Force
• Congressional Districts
• The Electoral College
• Executive Order
• Executive Privilege
• Freedom of Expression
• (Absolute) Freedom of Speech and Press
• "From each according to his ability..."
• God
• Immigration
• Impeachment means removal from office
• Innocent until proven guilty
• It's a free country
• Judicial Review
• Jury of Peers
• "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness"
• Marriage
• Martial Law
• No taxation without representation
• Number of Justices in the Supreme Court
• "Of the people, by the people, for the people"
• Paper Money
• Political Parties
• Primary Elections
• Qualifications for Judges
• The right to privacy
• The right to travel
• The right to vote
• The separation of church and state
• The Separation of Powers Clause
• Slavery
• "We hold these truths to be self-evident"

Things That Are Not In the U.S. Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net


2) Necessary and Proper Clause


The Powers of Congress.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Democrats lost because of obama
"I am not on the ballot this fall. Michelle’s pretty happy about that. But make no mistake: these policies are on the ballot. Every single one of them," Obama said.

Cool, AGAIN, so you believe EVERYTHINMG Obama says or just the select parts you like? Anyone with a brain realizes after Obama won landslides in 2008-2012 and the Dems ran away from him in 2014, record low (post WW2) turnouts hurt the Dems

The voters spoke the end.

So no, you can't use reason, logic and honesty. Thanks anyways

Reason dictates you are a moron if you can't see the voters spoke they are fed up with obama and his policies.

Sure, reason says the lowest voter turnout since WW2 shouldn't be blamed for GOP's win, or Obama trouncing of Mittens in 2012, but just his policies were the reason the Dems (who ran from him and his policies) lost, should be blamed??? lol

Gawwwwd you low info voters who keep voting against your own economic interests are pathetic

Reason says democrats knew obama's policies were on the ballot. They couldn't vote for an evil republican and they did not want to vote for a democrats because of their support for obama and his policies. You are acting as stupid looking as your avatar is doing.

 

[kaz]

The US Constitution

Yes, thankfully it supports MY position like SS, Medicare, social safety nets, etc, lol

Two questions:

1) Where are those things in the Constitution?

2) What does the word "enumerated" mean?

1) Things That Are Not In the U.S. Constitution

The word "democracy"
Abortion
Capitalism

• The Air Force
• Congressional Districts
• The Electoral College
• Executive Order
• Executive Privilege
• Freedom of Expression
• (Absolute) Freedom of Speech and Press
• "From each according to his ability..."
• God
• Immigration
• Impeachment means removal from office
• Innocent until proven guilty
• It's a free country
• Judicial Review
• Jury of Peers
• "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness"
• Marriage
• Martial Law
• No taxation without representation
• Number of Justices in the Supreme Court
• "Of the people, by the people, for the people"
• Paper Money
• Political Parties
• Primary Elections
• Qualifications for Judges
• The right to privacy
• The right to travel
• The right to vote
• The separation of church and state
• The Separation of Powers Clause
• Slavery
• "We hold these truths to be self-evident"

Things That Are Not In the U.S. Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net


2) Necessary and Proper Clause


The Powers of Congress.

Actually a lot of those things are in the Constitution. The air force is part of what they meant by an army, you're playing a word game. Qualifications for judges is covered by advise and counsel of the Senate. Privacy is protected by the limits on Federal powers. Since liberals don't limit Federal powers, you think it's not covered by the Constitution.

However, overall again you show your complete inability to think in any logical way whatsoever. Listing things that are not in the Constitution does not mean that other things that aren't there are Constitutional. That is a non-sequitur.

So again, where are social security, medicare and welfare at the Federal level in the Constitution?

 

[Dad2three]

Cool, AGAIN, so you believe EVERYTHINMG Obama says or just the select parts you like? Anyone with a brain realizes after Obama won landslides in 2008-2012 and the Dems ran away from him in 2014, record low (post WW2) turnouts hurt the Dems

The voters spoke the end.

So no, you can't use reason, logic and honesty. Thanks anyways

Reason dictates you are a moron if you can't see the voters spoke they are fed up with obama and his policies.

Sure, reason says the lowest voter turnout since WW2 shouldn't be blamed for GOP's win, or Obama trouncing of Mittens in 2012, but just his policies were the reason the Dems (who ran from him and his policies) lost, should be blamed??? lol

Gawwwwd you low info voters who keep voting against your own economic interests are pathetic

Reason says democrats knew obama's policies were on the ballot. They couldn't vote for an evil republican and they did not want to vote for a democrats because of their support for obama and his policies. You are acting as stupid looking as your avatar is doing.

lol, Got it, forget that the base of the GOP comes out on mid terms, and NOT the younger base of Dems, again, STILL the lowest post WW2 turnout. But it was Obama's policies? The one he won reelection on in 2012??? lol

 

[Dad2three]

The US Constitution

Yes, thankfully it supports MY position like SS, Medicare, social safety nets, etc, lol

Two questions:

1) Where are those things in the Constitution?

2) What does the word "enumerated" mean?

1) Things That Are Not In the U.S. Constitution

The word "democracy"
Abortion
Capitalism

• The Air Force
• Congressional Districts
• The Electoral College
• Executive Order
• Executive Privilege
• Freedom of Expression
• (Absolute) Freedom of Speech and Press
• "From each according to his ability..."
• God
• Immigration
• Impeachment means removal from office
• Innocent until proven guilty
• It's a free country
• Judicial Review
• Jury of Peers
• "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness"
• Marriage
• Martial Law
• No taxation without representation
• Number of Justices in the Supreme Court
• "Of the people, by the people, for the people"
• Paper Money
• Political Parties
• Primary Elections
• Qualifications for Judges
• The right to privacy
• The right to travel
• The right to vote
• The separation of church and state
• The Separation of Powers Clause
• Slavery
• "We hold these truths to be self-evident"

Things That Are Not In the U.S. Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net


2) Necessary and Proper Clause


The Powers of Congress.

Actually a lot of those things are in the Constitution. The air force is part of what they meant by an army, you're playing a word game. Qualifications for judges is covered by advise and counsel of the Senate. Privacy is protected by the limits on Federal powers. Since liberals don't limit Federal powers, you think it's not covered by the Constitution.

However, overall again you show your complete inability to think in any logical way whatsoever. Listing things that are not in the Constitution does not mean that other things that aren't there are Constitutional. That is a non-sequitur.

So again, where are social security, medicare and welfare at the Federal level in the Constitution?

Word games from you. Shocking

Again, Congress. Remember that tax and spending authority? lol

 

[kaz]

The US Constitution

Yes, thankfully it supports MY position like SS, Medicare, social safety nets, etc, lol

Two questions:

1) Where are those things in the Constitution?

2) What does the word "enumerated" mean?

1) Things That Are Not In the U.S. Constitution

The word "democracy"
Abortion
Capitalism

• The Air Force
• Congressional Districts
• The Electoral College
• Executive Order
• Executive Privilege
• Freedom of Expression
• (Absolute) Freedom of Speech and Press
• "From each according to his ability..."
• God
• Immigration
• Impeachment means removal from office
• Innocent until proven guilty
• It's a free country
• Judicial Review
• Jury of Peers
• "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness"
• Marriage
• Martial Law
• No taxation without representation
• Number of Justices in the Supreme Court
• "Of the people, by the people, for the people"
• Paper Money
• Political Parties
• Primary Elections
• Qualifications for Judges
• The right to privacy
• The right to travel
• The right to vote
• The separation of church and state
• The Separation of Powers Clause
• Slavery
• "We hold these truths to be self-evident"

Things That Are Not In the U.S. Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net


2) Necessary and Proper Clause


The Powers of Congress.

Actually a lot of those things are in the Constitution. The air force is part of what they meant by an army, you're playing a word game. Qualifications for judges is covered by advise and counsel of the Senate. Privacy is protected by the limits on Federal powers. Since liberals don't limit Federal powers, you think it's not covered by the Constitution.

However, overall again you show your complete inability to think in any logical way whatsoever. Listing things that are not in the Constitution does not mean that other things that aren't there are Constitutional. That is a non-sequitur.

So again, where are social security, medicare and welfare at the Federal level in the Constitution?

Word games from you. Shocking

Again, Congress. Remember that tax and spending authority? lol

Begging the question

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The voters spoke the end.

So no, you can't use reason, logic and honesty. Thanks anyways

Reason dictates you are a moron if you can't see the voters spoke they are fed up with obama and his policies.

Sure, reason says the lowest voter turnout since WW2 shouldn't be blamed for GOP's win, or Obama trouncing of Mittens in 2012, but just his policies were the reason the Dems (who ran from him and his policies) lost, should be blamed??? lol

Gawwwwd you low info voters who keep voting against your own economic interests are pathetic

Reason says democrats knew obama's policies were on the ballot. They couldn't vote for an evil republican and they did not want to vote for a democrats because of their support for obama and his policies. You are acting as stupid looking as your avatar is doing.

lol, Got it, forget that the base of the GOP comes out on mid terms, and NOT the younger base of Dems, again, STILL the lowest post WW2 turnout. But it was Obama's policies? The one he won reelection on in 2012??? lol

Dude even Michelle telling the democrat base they could have fried chicken after they voted didn't even work, the democrats usage of slave chains didn't work, the democrat fear mongering of lose of welfare all of that and still the base refused to come out.
obama was the worse thing that happen to the democrats in 2014 No body wants his policies the vote showed that.

 

[Dad2three]

Yes, thankfully it supports MY position like SS, Medicare, social safety nets, etc, lol

Two questions:

1) Where are those things in the Constitution?

2) What does the word "enumerated" mean?

1) Things That Are Not In the U.S. Constitution

The word "democracy"
Abortion
Capitalism

• The Air Force
• Congressional Districts
• The Electoral College
• Executive Order
• Executive Privilege
• Freedom of Expression
• (Absolute) Freedom of Speech and Press
• "From each according to his ability..."
• God
• Immigration
• Impeachment means removal from office
• Innocent until proven guilty
• It's a free country
• Judicial Review
• Jury of Peers
• "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness"
• Marriage
• Martial Law
• No taxation without representation
• Number of Justices in the Supreme Court
• "Of the people, by the people, for the people"
• Paper Money
• Political Parties
• Primary Elections
• Qualifications for Judges
• The right to privacy
• The right to travel
• The right to vote
• The separation of church and state
• The Separation of Powers Clause
• Slavery
• "We hold these truths to be self-evident"

Things That Are Not In the U.S. Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net


2) Necessary and Proper Clause


The Powers of Congress.

Actually a lot of those things are in the Constitution. The air force is part of what they meant by an army, you're playing a word game. Qualifications for judges is covered by advise and counsel of the Senate. Privacy is protected by the limits on Federal powers. Since liberals don't limit Federal powers, you think it's not covered by the Constitution.

However, overall again you show your complete inability to think in any logical way whatsoever. Listing things that are not in the Constitution does not mean that other things that aren't there are Constitutional. That is a non-sequitur.

So again, where are social security, medicare and welfare at the Federal level in the Constitution?

Word games from you. Shocking

Again, Congress. Remember that tax and spending authority? lol

Begging the question

"Supreme Court held the understanding of the General Welfare Clause contained in the Taxing and Spending Clause adheres to the construction given it by Associate Justice Joseph Story in his 1833 Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Welfare_clause#cite_note-Butler-4
Justice Story concluded that the General Welfare Clause is not a grant of general legislative power, but a qualification on the taxing power which includes within it a federal power to spend federal revenues on matters of general interest to the federal government. The Court described Justice Story's view as the "Hamiltonian position", as Alexander Hamilton had elaborated his view of the taxing and spending powers in his 1791 Report on Manufactures. Story, however, attributes the position's initial appearance to Thomas Jefferson, in his Opinion on the Bank of the United States"

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Two questions:

1) Where are those things in the Constitution?

2) What does the word "enumerated" mean?

1) Things That Are Not In the U.S. Constitution

The word "democracy"
Abortion
Capitalism

• The Air Force
• Congressional Districts
• The Electoral College
• Executive Order
• Executive Privilege
• Freedom of Expression
• (Absolute) Freedom of Speech and Press
• "From each according to his ability..."
• God
• Immigration
• Impeachment means removal from office
• Innocent until proven guilty
• It's a free country
• Judicial Review
• Jury of Peers
• "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness"
• Marriage
• Martial Law
• No taxation without representation
• Number of Justices in the Supreme Court
• "Of the people, by the people, for the people"
• Paper Money
• Political Parties
• Primary Elections
• Qualifications for Judges
• The right to privacy
• The right to travel
• The right to vote
• The separation of church and state
• The Separation of Powers Clause
• Slavery
• "We hold these truths to be self-evident"

Things That Are Not In the U.S. Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net


2) Necessary and Proper Clause


The Powers of Congress.

Actually a lot of those things are in the Constitution. The air force is part of what they meant by an army, you're playing a word game. Qualifications for judges is covered by advise and counsel of the Senate. Privacy is protected by the limits on Federal powers. Since liberals don't limit Federal powers, you think it's not covered by the Constitution.

However, overall again you show your complete inability to think in any logical way whatsoever. Listing things that are not in the Constitution does not mean that other things that aren't there are Constitutional. That is a non-sequitur.

So again, where are social security, medicare and welfare at the Federal level in the Constitution?

Word games from you. Shocking

Again, Congress. Remember that tax and spending authority? lol

Begging the question

"Supreme Court held the understanding of the General Welfare Clause contained in the Taxing and Spending Clause adheres to the construction given it by Associate Justice Joseph Story in his 1833 Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States.
Justice Story concluded that the General Welfare Clause is not a grant of general legislative power, but a qualification on the taxing power which includes within it a federal power to spend federal revenues on matters of general interest to the federal government. The Court described Justice Story's view as the "Hamiltonian position", as Alexander Hamilton had elaborated his view of the taxing and spending powers in his 1791 Report on Manufactures. Story, however, attributes the position's initial appearance to Thomas Jefferson, in his Opinion on the Bank of the United States"

You do realize obamacare would be ruled unconstitutional if it had not been ruled something that obama said it was not A TAX. Now don't know how the court will rule on the next case since gruber truthful statement. on how obamacare was passed.

 

[Dad2three]

1) Things That Are Not In the U.S. Constitution

The word "democracy"
Abortion
Capitalism

• The Air Force
• Congressional Districts
• The Electoral College
• Executive Order
• Executive Privilege
• Freedom of Expression
• (Absolute) Freedom of Speech and Press
• "From each according to his ability..."
• God
• Immigration
• Impeachment means removal from office
• Innocent until proven guilty
• It's a free country
• Judicial Review
• Jury of Peers
• "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness"
• Marriage
• Martial Law
• No taxation without representation
• Number of Justices in the Supreme Court
• "Of the people, by the people, for the people"
• Paper Money
• Political Parties
• Primary Elections
• Qualifications for Judges
• The right to privacy
• The right to travel
• The right to vote
• The separation of church and state
• The Separation of Powers Clause
• Slavery
• "We hold these truths to be self-evident"

Things That Are Not In the U.S. Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net


2) Necessary and Proper Clause


The Powers of Congress.

Actually a lot of those things are in the Constitution. The air force is part of what they meant by an army, you're playing a word game. Qualifications for judges is covered by advise and counsel of the Senate. Privacy is protected by the limits on Federal powers. Since liberals don't limit Federal powers, you think it's not covered by the Constitution.

However, overall again you show your complete inability to think in any logical way whatsoever. Listing things that are not in the Constitution does not mean that other things that aren't there are Constitutional. That is a non-sequitur.

So again, where are social security, medicare and welfare at the Federal level in the Constitution?

Word games from you. Shocking

Again, Congress. Remember that tax and spending authority? lol

Begging the question

"Supreme Court held the understanding of the General Welfare Clause contained in the Taxing and Spending Clause adheres to the construction given it by Associate Justice Joseph Story in his 1833 Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States.
Justice Story concluded that the General Welfare Clause is not a grant of general legislative power, but a qualification on the taxing power which includes within it a federal power to spend federal revenues on matters of general interest to the federal government. The Court described Justice Story's view as the "Hamiltonian position", as Alexander Hamilton had elaborated his view of the taxing and spending powers in his 1791 Report on Manufactures. Story, however, attributes the position's initial appearance to Thomas Jefferson, in his Opinion on the Bank of the United States"

You do realize obamacare would be ruled unconstitutional if it had not been ruled something that obama said it was not A TAX. Now don't know how the court will rule on the next case since gruber truthful statement. on how obamacare was passed.

Good you agree, it's constitutional. No need to worry about the future, seems conservatives have NEVER been on the correct side of history anyways!

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Actually a lot of those things are in the Constitution. The air force is part of what they meant by an army, you're playing a word game. Qualifications for judges is covered by advise and counsel of the Senate. Privacy is protected by the limits on Federal powers. Since liberals don't limit Federal powers, you think it's not covered by the Constitution.

However, overall again you show your complete inability to think in any logical way whatsoever. Listing things that are not in the Constitution does not mean that other things that aren't there are Constitutional. That is a non-sequitur.

So again, where are social security, medicare and welfare at the Federal level in the Constitution?

Word games from you. Shocking

Again, Congress. Remember that tax and spending authority? lol

Begging the question

"Supreme Court held the understanding of the General Welfare Clause contained in the Taxing and Spending Clause adheres to the construction given it by Associate Justice Joseph Story in his 1833 Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States.
Justice Story concluded that the General Welfare Clause is not a grant of general legislative power, but a qualification on the taxing power which includes within it a federal power to spend federal revenues on matters of general interest to the federal government. The Court described Justice Story's view as the "Hamiltonian position", as Alexander Hamilton had elaborated his view of the taxing and spending powers in his 1791 Report on Manufactures. Story, however, attributes the position's initial appearance to Thomas Jefferson, in his Opinion on the Bank of the United States"

You do realize obamacare would be ruled unconstitutional if it had not been ruled something that obama said it was not A TAX. Now don't know how the court will rule on the next case since gruber truthful statement. on how obamacare was passed.

Good you agree, it's constitutional. No need to worry about the future, seems conservatives have NEVER been on the correct side of history anyways!

only because it was ruled a tax and obama lied about that.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

If you're on minimum wage you should thank Obama & the dems for taking 4k out of your pocket each year.

 

[Chris]

Rand Paul is an idiot.

 

[Chris]

If you're on minimum wage you should thank Obama & the dems for taking 4k out of your pocket each year.

Republicans blocked an increase in the minimum wage.
Republicans hate the working man.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

If you're on minimum wage you should thank Obama & the dems for taking 4k out of your pocket each year.

Republicans blocked an increase in the minimum wage.
Republicans hate the working man.

Minimum wage is fine. The problem is the dems passed a law that guaranteed 11 hours per week would be stripped from workers.