Rand Paul;Disgusting jellyfish SLAMS voter ID law as "OFFENSIVE"

[Siete]

Rand Paul;Disgusting jellyfish SLAMS voter ID law as "OFFENSIVE"

Looks like Rand Paul is catering to the left. Conservatives will start distancing themselves from him. Ted Cruz is one of the few potential candidates who will not compromise on his views, I cannot picture Cruz ever turning RINO.

nobody can picture Cruz turning candidate either ...

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

do you need to show id to get obamacare? How about a welfare check? Snap? Section 8?

racist

 

[Mad_Cabbie]

I respectfully disagree with the body of the OP.

1 Voter id laws are not necessary, nor will they even have an overall effect on voter fraud.

2 Rand Paul is not catering to the left; he understands that these laws are worthless except in preventing some people from voting.

3 Not all conservatives are on-board with every single "conservative" issue.

This will be explained away using the handy dandy GOP label maker. Simply make a label that says "RINO" and stick it on any ideas you deem UN conservative

I agree with this and it is unfortunate. It doesn't even have to do with the issues - look at Christy; just because he refused to talk smack on Obama, it probably cost him the nomination.

The Conservatives with better sense, need to stand up to the trouble maker extremist and tell them to shut or form their own party.

Another point here, the Koch brothers are sabotaging elections by throwing money at completely unelectable primary "pretenders" who have no chance at beating seasoned democrat challengers. Vote for the best candidate - not pie in the sky rhetoric.

 

[Mad_Cabbie]

do you need to show id to get obamacare? How about a welfare check? Snap? Section 8?

1 There is no "obamacare" - it's not an insurance provider - it's a law that all insurance companies need to adhere to.

2 You need an ID to cash a "welfare check" whatever that a wc is. (?)

3 Snap, well ... kids get it so, no, but I imagine you need some form of ID - BC, passport, etc.

 

[R.D.]

I respectfully disagree with the body of the OP.

1 Voter id laws are not necessary, nor will they even have an overall effect on voter fraud.

2 Rand Paul is not catering to the left; he understands that these laws are worthless except in preventing some people from voting.

3 Not all conservatives are on-board with every single "conservative" issue.

Wrong

Right; Wrong

Right

 

[PratchettFan]

Huckabee is a former governor. He'd get conservatives out to vote, no question.

He didn't the last time he tried. If he did, he couldn't win. There are several Republican governors our there who might actually win a general election. The problem is that anyone capable of winning a general election is probably not capable of getting the nomination. What the far right seems to have trouble understanding is that they are not the entire country. They are not even that large a minority.

What RINOs need to remember is that conservatives still remain the largest ideological group in the US. Unless the GOP nominee is a conservative, you can bet that conservatives will stay home in large numbers in 2016.

Actually, no. They are just one of the loudest groups. They are the primary reason our current president is a democrat and will probably be the reason our next president will be as well. In fact, the folks who call themselves conservatives are not even vaguely conservative. What they are is just a remake of the old Dixie democrats.

 

[Boss]

Bush got 62 Million votes and Romney got 57 million because Bush won and Romney lost. The 5 million votes you are talking about are moderates and independents who voted Democratic because Republicans chased them away

The effective distribution of independent and moderate votes was about the same. In fact, in the case of Al Gore, he actually got more of the independent and moderate votes. It wasn't bailing indies and mods who cost the GOP in '08 and '12, it was failure of the base to show up. This will continue to be a problem if the establishment moderates in the GOP don't wise up fast.

Bush didn't win because he was a moderate. He won because he was a social conservative and the Christian coalition is the largest single voting block in America. The GOP needs to realize the moderate/independents do not matter, they represent a tiny number and are not worth the effort to cater to. You're going to win a percentage of them and the opposition will win a percentage, and in the end, their votes will not determine the winner.

Basically, there are three groups the GOP should concern itself with... Moderate establishment types, Tea Party Conservative types, and Social/Religious Conservatives. If you appeal to two of the three, you will win elections. If you appeal to the later two, or all three, you will win elections in landslides.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Bush got 62 Million votes and Romney got 57 million because Bush won and Romney lost. The 5 million votes you are talking about are moderates and independents who voted Democratic because Republicans chased them away

The effective distribution of independent and moderate votes was about the same. In fact, in the case of Al Gore, he actually got more of the independent and moderate votes. It wasn't bailing indies and mods who cost the GOP in '08 and '12, it was failure of the base to show up. This will continue to be a problem if the establishment moderates in the GOP don't wise up fast.

Bush didn't win because he was a moderate. He won because he was a social conservative and the Christian coalition is the largest single voting block in America. The GOP needs to realize the moderate/independents do not matter, they represent a tiny number and are not worth the effort to cater to. You're going to win a percentage of them and the opposition will win a percentage, and in the end, their votes will not determine the winner.

Basically, there are three groups the GOP should concern itself with... Moderate establishment types, Tea Party Conservative types, and Social/Religious Conservatives. If you appeal to two of the three, you will win elections. If you appeal to the later two, or all three, you will win elections in landslides.

Yes.....focus on social issues. That is the path to electoral victory! Santorum is your guy!

 

[ClosedCaption]

Rand Paul;Disgusting jellyfish SLAMS voter ID law as "OFFENSIVE"

Looks like Rand Paul is catering to the left. Conservatives will start distancing themselves from him. Ted Cruz is one of the few potential candidates who will not compromise on his views, I cannot picture Cruz ever turning RINO.

nobody can picture Cruz turning candidate either ...

...nobody can picture or identify a "true conservative" either....weird huh?

Its like that joke:
Elephants are really great climbing trees and using it as camouflage.

Have you ever seen an Elephant in a Tree?

Thats my point.

 

[Zander]

do you need to show id to get obamacare? How about a welfare check? Snap? Section 8?

1 There is no "obamacare" - it's not an insurance provider - it's a law that all insurance companies need to adhere to.

2 You need an ID to cash a "welfare check" whatever that a wc is. (?)

3 Snap, well ... kids get it so, no, but I imagine you need some form of ID - BC, passport, etc.

Hold up now.... you're telling me that you need to show proof of identity to get health Insurance?? even though it was mandated by the law?? WTF? Proof to cash a gubmint check? HUH? You've got to prove identity to get a Section 8 apartment? OMFG!!

I'm appalled!! really I am.

Those things should be given to everyone, without the discriminatory practice of requiring proof of identity. ******* racists.....It is so damn hard for anyone to prove they are "who they say they are" these days.

 

[Jughead]

Conservatives always show up to vote. The GOP's problem is getting the moderates to vote for them. There isn't some huge block of conservative voters sitting at home every four years.

Conservatives did indeed stay home in 2012 ...

Bush got over 62 million votes in 2004. Romney got just under 57 million.

Stop right there and let that number sink in. We are a nation where conservatives self identify more than liberals two to one.

Romney led the ticket in votes in every state he won meaning that he appealed to those moderates who are willing to lean conservative just fine, but evangelicals stayed home and so did traditional conservatives in North Florida.

Some people are saying “It is because this time more Hispanics went for Democrats instead of Republicans. This is true, but it is still dwarfed by the fact that five million conservatives stayed home.

Why did 5 million conservatives stay home? | Political Arena

Your numbers do not add up and do nothing to prove your point

Bush got 62 Million votes and Romney got 57 million because Bush won and Romney lost. The 5 million votes you are talking about are moderates and independents who voted Democratic because Republicans chased them away

Registered Democrats turned out in larger numbers than registered Republicans. A good portion of conservative voters just stayed home.

From a left wing news source ...

Obama won by re-energizing his base. The CNN exit polls showed registered Democrats turned out in greater numbers than registered Republicans in battlegrounds Ohio and Florida. The exit polls also said white evangelical turnout in Virginia was down 7% from 2008, and Romney did not improve evangelical turnout in Florida from four years ago while losing about 40,000 votes to libertarian Gary Johnson.

Where was all the supposed Catholic outrage over Obamacare's imposed contraception mandate that threatens religious freedom? Where were the 17 million evangelicals who stayed home in 2008 that Ralph Reed promised he would deliver? Where was the wave of traditional-values loving Americans who came to the aid of Chick-fil-a in August?

Column: GOP needs to embrace the base

 

[Jughead]

Conservatives always show up to vote. The GOP's problem is getting the moderates to vote for them. There isn't some huge block of conservative voters sitting at home every four years.

Conservatives did indeed stay home in 2012 ...

Bush got over 62 million votes in 2004. Romney got just under 57 million.

Stop right there and let that number sink in. We are a nation where conservatives self identify more than liberals two to one.

Romney led the ticket in votes in every state he won meaning that he appealed to those moderates who are willing to lean conservative just fine, but evangelicals stayed home and so did traditional conservatives in North Florida.

Some people are saying “It is because this time more Hispanics went for Democrats instead of Republicans. This is true, but it is still dwarfed by the fact that five million conservatives stayed home.

Why did 5 million conservatives stay home? | Political Arena

That article is full of shit, Romney got nearly 61 million votes. Unless you get to pick and choose where the one million vote difference between him and Bush were, they wouldn't have mattered one bit.

Forbes also confirms the 57 million figure.

On the popular vote side, Obama passed Romney once all the Western seaboard votes were counted, getting 59.63 million votes to Romney’s 57 million. That puts the turnout for Obama well below the 69.4 million he garnered in 2008 when he beat John McCain, the Senator from Arizona.

After Election Night, A House Still Divided In Washington - Forbes

 

[AceRothstein]

Conservatives did indeed stay home in 2012 ...



Why did 5 million conservatives stay home? | Political Arena

That article is full of shit, Romney got nearly 61 million votes. Unless you get to pick and choose where the one million vote difference between him and Bush were, they wouldn't have mattered one bit.

Forbes also confirms the 57 million figure.

On the popular vote side, Obama passed Romney once all the Western seaboard votes were counted, getting 59.63 million votes to Romney’s 57 million. That puts the turnout for Obama well below the 69.4 million he garnered in 2008 when he beat John McCain, the Senator from Arizona.

After Election Night, A House Still Divided In Washington - Forbes

You should try finding a source beyond the day after the election when all of the votes weren't counted. Obama ended up with just shy of 66 million votes.

United States presidential election, 2012 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/fe2012/federalelections2012.pdf

 

[Boss]

Bush got 62 Million votes and Romney got 57 million because Bush won and Romney lost. The 5 million votes you are talking about are moderates and independents who voted Democratic because Republicans chased them away

The effective distribution of independent and moderate votes was about the same. In fact, in the case of Al Gore, he actually got more of the independent and moderate votes. It wasn't bailing indies and mods who cost the GOP in '08 and '12, it was failure of the base to show up. This will continue to be a problem if the establishment moderates in the GOP don't wise up fast.

Bush didn't win because he was a moderate. He won because he was a social conservative and the Christian coalition is the largest single voting block in America. The GOP needs to realize the moderate/independents do not matter, they represent a tiny number and are not worth the effort to cater to. You're going to win a percentage of them and the opposition will win a percentage, and in the end, their votes will not determine the winner.

Basically, there are three groups the GOP should concern itself with... Moderate establishment types, Tea Party Conservative types, and Social/Religious Conservatives. If you appeal to two of the three, you will win elections. If you appeal to the later two, or all three, you will win elections in landslides.

Yes.....focus on social issues. That is the path to electoral victory! Santorum is your guy!

Except that's not what I said, is it? Hey, Santorum was last man standing against Romney last time. A testament to how strong the Social Conservative group is. Romney won because he had been campaigning for president for 6 years.

Now... I think what the GOP should do is couch ALL the social issues under the Federalist banner. It's not up to the government to decide those things for a free society. You want to legalize Pot, Abortion, Gambling, Prostitution, Gay Marriage... you should have the right in your state to do so. You render these "wedge" issues benign and take them off the table.

 

[LoneLaugher]

do you need to show id to get obamacare? How about a welfare check? Snap? Section 8?

1 There is no "obamacare" - it's not an insurance provider - it's a law that all insurance companies need to adhere to.

2 You need an ID to cash a "welfare check" whatever that a wc is. (?)

3 Snap, well ... kids get it so, no, but I imagine you need some form of ID - BC, passport, etc.

Hold up now.... you're telling me that you need to show proof of identity to get health Insurance?? even though it was mandated by the law?? WTF? Proof to cash a gubmint check? HUH? You've got to prove identity to get a Section 8 apartment? OMFG!!

I'm appalled!! really I am.

Those things should be given to everyone, without the discriminatory practice of requiring proof of identity. ******* racists.....It is so damn hard for anyone to prove they are "who they say they are" these days.

Whoa! Stinging sarcasm! How do you come up with such original and well developed zingers? You need to get paid for genius like that.

 

[jillian]

Rand Paul;Disgusting jellyfish SLAMS voter ID law as "OFFENSIVE"

Looks like Rand Paul is catering to the left. Conservatives will start distancing themselves from him. Ted Cruz is one of the few potential candidates who will not compromise on his views, I cannot picture Cruz ever turning RINO.

Ted Cruz isn't eligible to run. He isn't a natural born citizen.

 

[Old Rocks]

Bush got 62 Million votes and Romney got 57 million because Bush won and Romney lost. The 5 million votes you are talking about are moderates and independents who voted Democratic because Republicans chased them away

The effective distribution of independent and moderate votes was about the same. In fact, in the case of Al Gore, he actually got more of the independent and moderate votes. It wasn't bailing indies and mods who cost the GOP in '08 and '12, it was failure of the base to show up. This will continue to be a problem if the establishment moderates in the GOP don't wise up fast.

Bush didn't win because he was a moderate. He won because he was a social conservative and the Christian coalition is the largest single voting block in America. The GOP needs to realize the moderate/independents do not matter, they represent a tiny number and are not worth the effort to cater to. You're going to win a percentage of them and the opposition will win a percentage, and in the end, their votes will not determine the winner.

Basically, there are three groups the GOP should concern itself with... Moderate establishment types, Tea Party Conservative types, and Social/Religious Conservatives. If you appeal to two of the three, you will win elections. If you appeal to the later two, or all three, you will win elections in landslides.

Tell me, how many wet dreams do you have every night?

 

[Jughead]

He didn't the last time he tried. If he did, he couldn't win. There are several Republican governors our there who might actually win a general election. The problem is that anyone capable of winning a general election is probably not capable of getting the nomination. What the far right seems to have trouble understanding is that they are not the entire country. They are not even that large a minority.

What RINOs need to remember is that conservatives still remain the largest ideological group in the US. Unless the GOP nominee is a conservative, you can bet that conservatives will stay home in large numbers in 2016.

Actually, no. They are just one of the loudest groups. They are the primary reason our current president is a democrat and will probably be the reason our next president will be as well. In fact, the folks who call themselves conservatives are not even vaguely conservative. What they are is just a remake of the old Dixie democrats.

Actually, yes.

Americans continue to be more likely to identify as conservatives (38%) than as liberals (23%)

Conservatives Largest Ideological Group in US - Gallup

 

[Jughead]

Rand Paul;Disgusting jellyfish SLAMS voter ID law as "OFFENSIVE"

Looks like Rand Paul is catering to the left. Conservatives will start distancing themselves from him. Ted Cruz is one of the few potential candidates who will not compromise on his views, I cannot picture Cruz ever turning RINO.

Ted Cruz isn't eligible to run. He isn't a natural born citizen.

See link ...

Cruz is Natural Born Citizen

 

[JoeB131]

That article is full of shit, Romney got nearly 61 million votes. Unless you get to pick and choose where the one million vote difference between him and Bush were, they wouldn't have mattered one bit.

Forbes also confirms the 57 million figure.

On the popular vote side, Obama passed Romney once all the Western seaboard votes were counted, getting 59.63 million votes to Romney’s 57 million. That puts the turnout for Obama well below the 69.4 million he garnered in 2008 when he beat John McCain, the Senator from Arizona.

After Election Night, A House Still Divided In Washington - Forbes

You should try finding a source beyond the day after the election when all of the votes weren't counted. Obama ended up with just shy of 66 million votes.

United States presidential election, 2012 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/fe2012/federalelections2012.pdf

Thanks, Ace.

Here's the problem Republicans have.

Bush won in 2004 with 61 million votes. This is the high-water point for GOP candidates.

McCain got 59 million votes, presumably most of them had voted for Bush. But Obama got 69 million votes, 10 million more than Kerry had gotten in 2004. People who had not previously been involved decided to get involved. 2008 was just that important to them after Bush had fouled up the war and the economy.

Incidentally, I voted for McCain. I think he had more experience and understood the mistakes his party had made.

In 2012, Mitt Romney got 60 million votes. A million more than McCain, but a Million less than Bush. The GOP turnout has stabilized.

Which brings us to- Obama. Obama got 66 million votes in 2012. 3 million less than he got in 2008, but most of that dropoff was in states that were not in doubt. Voter Participation INCREASED in states that were classified as "Swing States", and Obama won in 11 of 12 of those. (He only lost North Carolina)

Demographics is not the GOP's friend. They have to expand beyond the base they have now.