Rand Paul detained by TSA

[rightwinger]

That's really not a solid comparison.

Every one of the requirements for operating a car on public thoroughfare are indispensable. But indiscriminately subjecting every prospective airline passenger to the same level of scrutiny is plainly redundant, as evidenced by the Israeli method which is structured around practical and sensible profiling. In the most basic example of airline passenger profiling, should a U.S. Senator be subjected to the same level of scrutiny as a Middle Eastern woman in a burka?

If so -- why?

Profiling is ******* dumb. There's Muslims that look as white as Andy Dick - it's also disturbing to be discriminated against like that - it's even more-so "fascist/police state" like (picking people because of who they ARE AS AN INDIVIDUAL, as opposed to at random).

The Israelis have been doing it for as long as we've been doing our relatively ineffective thing (we've had several breeches) and they've had no security breeches at all. And Israel is a far more likely target for terrorist attack than we are. So how do you explain that?

The logical response to your politically correct protest is, simply, common sense. I have no cause to suspect that a U.S. Senator might be a terrorist. But I have very good cause to suspect that an unknown Middle Eastern woman in a burka might be. And anyone who doesn't like that answer doesn't have to fly.

Profiling makes sense.

Israel doesn't have our Constitution

 

[trickydickyUK]

Well you are living in the relatively early days of a Police Sate!

If you want more of the same keep voting for establishment candidates like Romney or Gingrich.

If you want freedom vote Ron Paul.

 

[Douger]

murkins are the only people with less guts than the Germans under Hitler.

 

[LibertyForAll]

Well it's pretty much a fact that there's n ot enough people to have thjat wide eyed theory of searching everyone everywhere all the time - also a fact that the economy would crash as everything would severely slow so...I wouldn't go getting panties shitted in over such a theory.

Secondly, I don't subscribe to slippery slope theories. Issues can stand on their own merit, we're not all retards and some of us can examine the gray area issue by issue without needing universals.

for instance?

tight airplane security is common sense - as planes are a historically common place for terror hijackings and have the ability to cause widespread chaos - such as 9/11 effecting the actual economic stability of the country.

patting people down to go into hard rock concerts is smart. a lot of drinking and fights happens at all the ones I've been to.

Probably stupid/redundant to have pat-downs for an Opera.

Slippery slope is really an issue of precedence. We allow certain rights to be violated "for our own good" and this makes it easier to convince people to give up rights in other areas too. When you look at each individual issue, you sometimes miss the big picture.

I disagree. I don't think rights are being violated, I'm saying that I think that that's hyperbole.

That ok?>

Everyone has a right to an opinion, even if they are wrong. J/k We can agree to disagree on this. It wasn't all that long ago that I probably would have agreed with you. I was caught up in the nationalism after 9/11 myself, I didn't start to notice these things until after the patriot act was passed. It raised a red flag with me and I started looking at how it seems like every law that is passed limits rights instead of protects them. At least lately anyway. I just don't want my sons to have to fight the war against tyranny that our founders already fought.

 

[MikeK]

Profiling is ******* dumb. There's Muslims that look as white as Andy Dick - it's also disturbing to be discriminated against like that - it's even more-so "fascist/police state" like (picking people because of who they ARE AS AN INDIVIDUAL, as opposed to at random).

The Israelis have been doing it for as long as we've been doing our relatively ineffective thing (we've had several breeches) and they've had no security breeches at all. And Israel is a far more likely target for terrorist attack than we are. So how do you explain that?

The logical response to your politically correct protest is, simply, common sense. I have no cause to suspect that a U.S. Senator might be a terrorist. But I have very good cause to suspect that an unknown Middle Eastern woman in a burka might be. And anyone who doesn't like that answer doesn't have to fly.

Profiling makes sense.

Israel doesn't have our Constitution

If the Constitution were relevant to this issue the Fourth Amendment would apply.

 

[MikeK]

Israel profiles behavior, not race or religion.

My understanding of Israel's method is it involves several concentric levels of scrutiny, beginning with an individual interview. And I believe it's safe to assume that one who is a Muslim will be subject to much closer scrutiny than would one who is a Jew, or a Catholic, or a Buddhist, etc.

Again, common sense profiling. It is discrimination with perfectly good reason.

 

[MikeK]

Everyone has a right to an opinion, even if they are wrong. J/k We can agree to disagree on this. It wasn't all that long ago that I probably would have agreed with you. I was caught up in the nationalism after 9/11 myself, I didn't start to notice these things until after the patriot act was passed. It raised a red flag with me and I started looking at how it seems like every law that is passed limits rights instead of protects them. At least lately anyway. I just don't want my sons to have to fight the war against tyranny that our founders already fought.

You are so right!

One little step at a time. It's the frog in the cookpot principle.

 

[Inthemiddle]

I guess you think the 4th Amendment doesn't apply to Rand Paul?

Is that the Amendment that outlines our Right to Travel By Air?

No, it's the one that protects us from unreasonable search and seizure without probable cause whether we are flying or swimming or just walking down the street.

What makes airline screenings unreasonable?

 

[MikeK]

murkins are the only people with less guts than the Germans under Hitler.

It's something other than guts. I believe it has more to do with authoritarian orientation which is increasingly prevalent in American culture.

 

[Unkotare]

Well you are living in the relatively early days of a Police Sate!

If you want more of the same keep voting for establishment candidates like Romney or Gingrich.

If you want freedom vote Ron Paul.

Your screen name says "UK." Are you even a US citizen?

 

[rightwinger]

Well you are living in the relatively early days of a Police Sate!

If you want more of the same keep voting for establishment candidates like Romney or Gingrich.

If you want freedom vote Ron Paul.

Complete nonsense

 

[Unkotare]

murkins are the only people with less guts than the Germans under Hitler.

Get a new act, you boring, unimaginative, self-indulgent ****. It's not 'cute,' it's really not.

 

[rightwinger]

The Israelis have been doing it for as long as we've been doing our relatively ineffective thing (we've had several breeches) and they've had no security breeches at all. And Israel is a far more likely target for terrorist attack than we are. So how do you explain that?

The logical response to your politically correct protest is, simply, common sense. I have no cause to suspect that a U.S. Senator might be a terrorist. But I have very good cause to suspect that an unknown Middle Eastern woman in a burka might be. And anyone who doesn't like that answer doesn't have to fly.

Profiling makes sense.

Israel doesn't have our Constitution

If the Constitution were relevant to this issue the Fourth Amendment would apply.

An airline ticket is a contract. By buying that contract, you are consenting to a search before boarding the airplane. Not an unreasonable search

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Obama should have to go through TSA as well

 

[Missourian]

No, I think there are reasonable scales of securing things.

So under what circumstances does it become reasonable to search everyone, anywhere, anytime?

It's the true slippery slope. Once you start down it, where does it end?

Under the circumstances that when you buy a ticket you are providing a consent to search.

We'll see. Let me point out that they are the TRANSPORTATION Security Administration...not the Airline Security Administration.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

I guess Rand Paul thinks the rules don't apply to him

The rules shouldn't apply to anyone.

Remember that the next time you're mugged, robbed or otherwise legally wronged.

Right, because that's clearly what I was referring to.

 

[paulitician]

I guess Rand Paul thinks the rules don't apply to him

I don't think that's the point.

This is a perfect example of political correctness run amuck.

You mean the political correctness that means Rand Paul should get a pass and I shouldn't?

If the scan went off and he refused a patdown he should be disallowed from boarding the plane.

STFU Rachel Maddcow wannabe. You're such a snippy dipshit.

 

[paulitician]

Vote against NDAA, and this is what Obama's Henchmen do to ya. He'll probably be audited by the IRS next. A message has clearly been sent to Rand Paul...Big Brother will not tolerate dissent.

 

[California Girl]

Me too.

 

[edthecynic]

Rand Paul detained by TSA

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