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If it was just IQ tests that blacks failed at I would agree with you in your assessment, but the facts are that blacks score the lowest on all or any kind of academic tests available.

If it be a test for police or fireman, lawyer, doctor, teacher, denist, SAT's, any kind of test.

For example, in Florida, SAT or ACT test scores above a specified level are required for admission into teacher training programs. This requirement eliminated 80% of the Black and 61% of the Hispanic candidates, but only 37% of the Whites. In 1985-86, only 98 Black students were admitted into the state university system teacher education programs. But performing satisfactorily in a program is not enough to become a classroom teacher. Another test must be passed. On the Florida Teacher Certification Examination, Black pass rates are 37%, Hispanic 53% and White 89%.
The Journal of Blacks in Higher Education estimated that if the top 10 highest-ranking medical schools in the nation dismantled their affirmative action policies and replaced them with strict MCAT cut-off scores, only 7 Black students would meet entrance requirements.

What are the facts? Over almost seventy years, in study after study, conducted by scientists and educationalists in numerous countries, studies conducted by such bastions of racial rationalism as the Inner London Education Authority, the US Army, and Harvard and Oxford Universities, on every measure of intellectual ability and educational attainment Blacks perform significantly worse, on average, than Whites.
Equalitarian ideologists often discount I.Q. test results with the excuse that they are culturally biased. Nonetheless, NO ONE, not the NAACP nor the United Negro College Fund, nor NEA had been able to develop an intelligence test which shows Blacks and Whites scoring equally.

If you belive this is because of poverty, keep in mind that: American Indians, who often live in conditions far worse than American Blacks during their entire lives, still consistently outscore them on I.Q. tests.

Faced with such facts, multiracialists make various attempts to wriggle off the hook, all of them futile. They argue that all these tests are unfair, that they are written by White people in a White Society and thus are biased against non-Whites. Alas for them, Chinese and Japanese, who are not noticeably more Caucasian and are often very much more culturally distinct from White society than Blacks, actually do as well or slightly better on average than Whites on these "White mens' tests."
 
Originally posted by Big D
Studies have repeatedly found that black men have more of the male hormone testosterone in their blood than whites do. Testosterone is directly related to physical and sexual aggressiveness, but it also combines significantly with intelligence. Men who are intelligent but who have high testosterone levels are likely to be more successful, socially and professionally, than intelligent men with low testosterone levels. Men who are unintelligent but who have high testosterone are more likely to be criminals than unintelligent men with low testosterone. High crime rates among blacks are consistent with low intelligence and high testosterone.

Bully, you claim this to be "bullshit".
In what way is this bullshit?

Do blacks have higher levels of testosterone? YES

Does testosterone cause aggressive behaviour? YES

Can you or will you be able in any way to prove this wrong? NO

Bully, your always the one that claims that someone is afraid to face up to something. One sign of fear is, is the way someone responds to something they don't understand, they personaly attack the person or ignore the evidence, these are two trates that make you famous on this board.
 
Originally posted by Big D
Originally posted by Big D
Studies have repeatedly found that black men have more of the male hormone testosterone in their blood than whites do. Testosterone is directly related to physical and sexual aggressiveness, but it also combines significantly with intelligence. Men who are intelligent but who have high testosterone levels are likely to be more successful, socially and professionally, than intelligent men with low testosterone levels. Men who are unintelligent but who have high testosterone are more likely to be criminals than unintelligent men with low testosterone. High crime rates among blacks are consistent with low intelligence and high testosterone.

Bully, you claim this to be "bullshit".
In what way is this bullshit?

Do blacks have higher levels of testosterone? YES

Does testosterone cause aggressive behaviour? YES

Can you or will you be able in any way to prove this wrong? NO

Bully, your always the one that claims that someone is afraid to face up to something. One sign of fear is, is the way someone responds to something they don't understand, they personaly attack the person or ignore the evidence, these are two trates that make you famous on this board.

Psuedo-scientific jargon...And how's about citing those studies?

So...Are you suggesting that the males of African-American descent should be castrated? That's the slippery slope you're on.

Goebels would be proud of you.
 
Originally posted by Bullypulpit
Psuedo-scientific jargon...And how's about citing those studies?

So...Are you suggesting that the males of African-American descent should be castrated? That's the slippery slope you're on.

Goebels would be proud of you.

The slippery slope argument has for a long time been the argument of the fear monger. Where did anyone suggest castration?
 
Here's a flip on the script y'all. If we can suck it up and just compete with all these people rushing in, and start corporations of our own, utilizing the human capital in some profitable capacity, we will ensure American global dominance for the next millenium. europe is kicking them out from fear and the discomfort of the middle class, but if instead of fear we react with new visions for the future, it'll be all good, yo.

p.s. don't ask me my visions yet. they're not yet to the flowering stage.
 
Holy crap. a stone that just hit two birds also hit me in the head. What if we allow mexicans citizenship if they do a stint or two in the U.S. military?
 
Originally posted by Bullypulpit
Psuedo-scientific jargon...And how's about citing those studies?
So...Are you suggesting that the males of African-American descent should be castrated? That's the slippery slope you're on.
Goebels would be proud of you.

Blacks higher testosterone levels are a well known medical fact:

Blacks in the United States have the highest prostate cancer rate in the world and nearly twice that of whites in the United States. The 2:1 black-to-white ratio in prostate cancer rates is already apparent at age 45 years, the age at which the earliest prostate cancer cases occur. This finding suggests that the factor(s) responsible for the difference in rates occurs, or first occurs, early in life. Testosterone has been hypothesized to play a role in the etiology of prostate cancer, because testosterone and its metabolite, dihydrotestosterone, are the principal trophic hormones that regulate growth and function of epithelial prostate tissue. This report gives the results of assays of circulating steroid hormone levels in white and black college students in Los Angeles, CA. Mean testosterone levels in blacks were 19% higher than in whites, and free testosterone levels were 21% higher.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=3455741&dopt=Abstract

There are many medical article that say the same thing.
I am going to give you some credit and not post the many links that relate testosterone to violent behaviour.
 
So whats your point with all your bullshit statistics D? I mean what in your mind would be a viable and workable solution to race relations in this country? Now don't give me a white country in the north and everybody else in the south or we deport all non whites because YOU KNOW that will never, ever happen here. Enough of the crap, just give me solutions.
 
Originally posted by OCA
So whats your point with all your bullshit statistics D? I mean what in your mind would be a viable and workable solution to race relations in this country? Now don't give me a white country in the north and everybody else in the south or we deport all non whites because YOU KNOW that will never, ever happen here. Enough of the crap, just give me solutions.

What's your point in denying very straight forward statistics?
 
Because these stats take nothing else into account other than race which is not a complete and absolute. Are all the white folks living in Idaho KKK and Neo-Nazis? Hell no, just like not all Blacks and Mexicans are criminals no matter what their testosterone levels are. His stats are overgeneralizing and stereotyping and disingenuous not too mention the fact that 9 out of 10 of his stats come from racists or racist organizations who are gonna find in their favor no matter what is presented to them.

All I want to hear from him is a realistic solution, not mumbo jumbo.
 
Originally posted by OCA
Because these stats take nothing else into account other than race which is not a complete and absolute. Are all the white folks living in Idaho KKK and Neo-Nazis? Hell no, just like not all Blacks and Mexicans are criminals no matter what their testosterone levels are. His stats are overgeneralizing and stereotyping and disingenuous not too mention the fact that 9 out of 10 of his stats come from racists or racist organizations who are gonna find in their favor no matter what is presented to them.

All I want to hear from him is a realistic solution, not mumbo jumbo.

Many attributes of human behavior and skill are tied to genetics. Your wish that it were 100% due to environment and social class and opportunity is just that, a wish, and a lie. #97 to be exact.
 
You know, to be honest, I believe the Democratic politicians would have more luck getting special concessions for blacks if they embraced these facts. Who would deny extra help to those with demonstrably lower abilities? Wouldn't you agree?
 
I hate to tell you but thats 100% backwards. Yes genetics does have something to do with our behavior but it is not the only factor. Some just wish it was, because in order to further their racist aspirations thats all they have to hang their hat on.

Btw race as a determining factor in one's destiny is lie # 57
 
Originally posted by OCA
I hate to tell you but thats 100% backwards. Yes genetics does have something to do with our behavior but it is not the only factor. Some just wish it was, because in order to further their racist aspirations thats all they have to hang their hat on.

Btw race as a determining factor in one's destiny is lie # 57

But if it's a factor at all, then it makes sense there's at least some correlation between race and certain biologically based aptitudes.

If you try to go to the University of Michigan, you will be subjected to a race based preference system. So sometimes, race does determine your destiny in life, if the libs have anything to do with it.

the inherent racism in america and the resulting poverty of blacks is how you explain aptitude differences. Isn't that race determining your future? Your contradicting yourself, Dick Tracy.
 
You know I could say that because i'm Greek i'm superior and the master race, all the rest of you, unless you are Greek, were swinging from trees and still figuring out fire and what that was between your legs when we were doing science, philosophy, democracy with a judicial system and checks and balances, mathematics etc etc. but i'll leave that out and stand on my own two feet as I don't need to hate another race in order to feel good about myself.

Wait let me guess, i'm going to get the feelings line. Just keep supressing those feelings of your own inferiority. it does a body good.
 
Originally posted by OCA
You know I could say that because i'm Greek i'm superior and the master race, all the rest of you, unless you are Greek, were swinging from trees and still figuring out fire and what that was between your legs when we were doing science, philosophy, democracy with a judicial system and checks and balances, mathematics etc etc. but i'll leave that out and stand on my own two feet as I don't need to hate another race in order to feel good about myself.

Wait let me guess, i'm going to get the feelings line. Just keep supressing those feelings of your own inferiority. it does a body good.

And if you had some statistics to that effect, you may be believed. There's probably a little greek in all of us (that's what she said), due to the success of the greek and then roman civilizations. hey bro.
 
Are you going to sit there and say that there has not been a concerted effort on the part of the white elite in America to keep the black man down? God the way they've done that is too numerous to mention off the top of my head.

Just look at the Indian reservations in America, there is 1 minority(well the only true blooded American there is) that has truelly been fucked over by us.
 
Originally posted by rtwngAvngr
And if you had some statistics to that effect, you may be believed. There's probably a little greek in all of us (that's what she said), due to the success of the greek and then roman civilizations. hey bro.

And if I had stats to that effect????? What the hell? I guess all historians are wrong and i'm pretty sure there is no Greek in you as at that time we didn't mix with the intellectually inferior races lol.
 
Originally posted by OCA
Are you going to sit there and say that there has not been a concerted effort on the part of the white elite in America to keep the black man down? God the way they've done that is too numerous to mention off the top of my head.


They definitely have. If this were the 50's /60's I would be marching for them.

Just look at the Indian reservations in America, there is 1 minority(well the only true blooded American there is) that has truelly been fucked over by us.

So, according to your socioeconomic theory of individual aptitude, shouldn't they score WORSE than blacks on all tests mentioned? According to "the facts", they score better. What do you think of that, genius boy?
 
Again I repeat if you lump everybody together into races, of course there is going to be an order, just like in sports. Not everybody scores the exact same on the test just like if you have 16 game season not every team goes 8-8. You CANNOT infer that one race is inferior to another from testing, you must take into account other factors. Lets test a group of whites from the Appalachians against a group blacks who live in Montgomery County,Md one of the wealthiest counties in the nation. It will disprove your theory right there as the blacks in Mon. count. have access to state of the art educational tools and the whites in Appalachia piss in outhouses sometimes and are some of the most illiterate citizens in the country. Its all about access my friend no matter how much you don't want to believe that.
 
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