Questions on Decriminalization/Legalization movement

[thanatos144]

Illinois recently passed Medical Marijuana legislation.

But Illinois being Illinois, it could be years before we actually have a working format in place.

That said- I stopped in on a Medical Marijuana facility in Michigan just the other day. The attending physician was very helpful and informative. The office was immaculate and did not smell of weed. He said that he uses highly efficient air filters in his building.

I could see shelves of weed buds in the next room, but he told me that I couldn't go there because I'm not a client. No problem.

We had a great talk. I told him about my brother who's diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic/manic-depressive and likes his smoke. I'd much rather he have a prescription than to buy his shit off the street. He understood, and offered up several suggestions and avenues of approach.

When I got home, I followed up with some phone calls to my brother's physician as well as his psychiatrist. They all said NYET. Ain't gonna go there.

So, it's back to the street.

Illinois- our nation's greatest failure on all fronts.

You want to give a person with mental problems a drug that causes mental problems?

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

1. Are there any groups pushing for Decriminalization of Marijuana which EMPHASIZE the need to address drug abuse, addiction, and crime AS A PRIORITY and DON'T DENY or playdown the dangers and addictions associated with marijuana use?

[...]

Please provide some specifics about the "dangers and addictions associated with marijuana use."

Citing first hand experience and knowledge, THC is a debilitating, anxiety and depression inducing substance. That said, if you have no problem with it go ahead and use. But if you blow your THC smoke in my vicinity when I am in public or in any space I have the right to be, I'll shoot you to death in self-defense. Your funeral and my acquittal. I refuse to be held hostage by ignorance. Especially propagated ignorance.

 

[KevinWestern]

It isn't silly. People decided that this NARCOTIC that is harmful to people to be a controlled substance. Lying about it isn't going to change that. Two states have made pot legal to for rec use. I say we watch them and then let the other states decide. It isn't up to you liberals and fascist libertarians to tell all of us what to do.....Amazing how the two ideologies are alike .

Decided by whom? A racist, power hungry bureaucrat in the 1930's?

While it's true it's up for the individual states to decide to legalize (at this point in time), I think you need to research the history why it was prohibited in the first place.

 

[Katzndogz]

No legitimate doctor prescribes or recommends marijuana. Some doctors will stop their treatment and care if they find that the patient is self medicating.

 

[KevinWestern]

No legitimate doctor prescribes or recommends marijuana. Some doctors will stop their treatment and care if they find that the patient is self medicating.

Why so, Katz?

What if marijuana makes a cancer patient's pain go away, or increases a person's appetite and a doctor would rather prescribe that vs. a prescription drug that has a million side effects and requires the patients to take even more drugs to counteract the side effects? Does marijuana not help people because YOU said so? Millions of people think otherwise.

Marijuana - again - is non toxic and is much, much less harmful to the human body than say highly addictive, deadly drugs like Oxycontin.

Katz, I urge you to open up your mind. What they taught you about marijuana is untrue. Join the movement of sane, rational people and let's get this legalized.

 

[KNB]

It isn't silly. People decided that this NARCOTIC that is harmful to people to be a controlled substance. Lying about it isn't going to change that. Two states have made pot legal to for rec use. I say we watch them and then let the other states decide. It isn't up to you liberals and fascist libertarians to tell all of us what to do.....Amazing how the two ideologies are alike .

Dude, do you actually believe the shit that you write? Is this your job? Do you get paid to write mindless right-wing bullshit on the internet? Do you even listen to yourself?

"People decided that this NARCOTIC that is harmful to people to be a controlled substance.... It isn't up to you liberals and fascist libertarians to tell all of us what to do."

Do you see how wrong that is? Who are you, fascist, to tell me that this is a dangerous narcotic? I use it every single day so that I don't black out and smash my face into my furniture, and I haven't killed or raped anyone, I've never robbed a liquor store, I don't own a car so I'm not driving over any little kids, so when does this dangerous narcotic turn me into a raping, pillaging axe murderer?

You're opinion is not based on science. Science says that marijuana is medicine, and hemp is a versatile, annually renewable natural resource with thousands of industrial applications.

Search: Shafer Commission 1972. Search: Hemp For Victory. Search: HR 1635.

Please make an effort to learn about the subject on which you are speaking.

You are proof pot fries brain cells.

Sure, scrote. And you look like a university professor compared to me, right?

Stoners don't need any other argument to win this debate than this:

And that's from the US Federal government, after "Marihuana" was outlawed.

That is what enabled the United States to fight and win World War II. Just because you're hearing it from a stoner doesn't mean that it isn't true.

Look it up for yourself:
https://www.google.com/search?q=hemp+for+victory&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&client=firefox-a&channel=sb

 

[BlindBoo]

Dummy maybe if people like you would stop trying to smoke rope they would make hemp legal.

Listen, thanatos, let's just all agree it's silly this plant is illegal. It's not dangerous.

Letting people murder people without consequences is dangerous.
Letting people assault people without consequences is dangerous.
Letting people steal without consequences is dangerous.

But letting people smoke marijuana? That is not dangerous.

Legalize it. The law is silly. Enough with all this garbage.

It isn't silly. People decided that this NARCOTIC that is harmful to people to be a controlled substance. Lying about it isn't going to change that. Two states have made pot legal to for rec use. I say we watch them and then let the other states decide. It isn't up to you liberals and fascist libertarians to tell all of us what to do.....Amazing how the two ideologies are alike .

"After two years of secret planning, Anslinger brought his plan to Congress — complete with a scrapbook full of sensational Hearst editorials, stories of ax murderers who had supposedly smoked marijuana, and racial slurs.

It was a remarkably short set of hearings.

The one fly in Anslinger’s ointment was the appearance by Dr. William C. Woodward, Legislative Council of the American Medical Association.

Woodward started by slamming Harry Anslinger and the Bureau of Narcotics for distorting earlier AMA statements that had nothing to do with marijuana and making them appear to be AMA endorsement for Anslinger’s view.

He also reproached the legislature and the Bureau for using the term marijuana in the legislation and not publicizing it as a bill about cannabis or hemp. At this point, marijuana (or marihuana) was a sensationalist word used to refer to Mexicans smoking a drug and had not been connected in most people’s minds to the existing cannabis/hemp plant. Thus, many who had legitimate reasons to oppose the bill weren’t even aware of it.

Woodward went on to state that the AMA was opposed to the legislation and further questioned the approach of the hearings, coming close to outright accusation of misconduct by Anslinger and the committee:

................................

The committee passed the legislation on. And on the floor of the house, the entire discussion was:


Member from upstate New York: “Mr. Speaker, what is this bill about?”

Speaker Rayburn: “I don’t know. It has something to do with a thing called marihuana. I think it’s a narcotic of some kind.”

“Mr. Speaker, does the American Medical Association support this bill?”

Member on the committee jumps up and says: “Their Doctor Wentworth[sic] came down here. They support this bill 100 percent.”

And on the basis of that lie, on August 2, 1937, marijuana became illegal at the federal level. "

Why is Marijuana Illegal? « Drug WarRant

 

[BlindBoo]

1. Are there any groups pushing for Decriminalization of Marijuana which EMPHASIZE the need to address drug abuse, addiction, and crime AS A PRIORITY and DON'T DENY or playdown the dangers and addictions associated with marijuana use?

[...]

Please provide some specifics about the "dangers and addictions associated with marijuana use."

Citing first hand experience and knowledge, THC is a debilitating, anxiety and depression inducing substance. That said, if you have no problem with it go ahead and use. But if you blow your THC smoke in my vicinity when I am in public or in any space I have the right to be, I'll shoot you to death in self-defense. Your funeral and my acquittal. I refuse to be held hostage by ignorance. Especially propagated ignorance.

Who's?

Willing to shoot someone because they blow smoke in your direction makes you a ******* psycho in my book. You should start consuming Hash Brownies immediately.

"I'll shoot you to death........"

 

[BlindBoo]

No legitimate doctor prescribes or recommends marijuana. Some doctors will stop their treatment and care if they find that the patient is self medicating.

Cannabis use for medicinal purposes dates back at least 3,000 years.[1-5] It was introduced into Western medicine in the 1840s by W.B. O’Shaughnessy, a surgeon who learned of its medicinal properties while working in India for the British East Indies Company. Its use was promoted for reported analgesic, sedative, anti-inflammatory, antispasmodic, and anticonvulsant effects.

In 1937, the U.S. Treasury Department introduced the Marihuana Tax Act. This Act imposed a levy of $1 per ounce for medicinal use of Cannabis and $100 per ounce for recreational use. Physicians in the United States were the principal opponents of the Act. The American Medical Association (AMA) opposed the Act because physicians were required to pay a special tax for prescribing Cannabis, use special order forms to procure it, and keep special records concerning its professional use. In addition, the AMA believed that objective evidence that Cannabis was harmful was lacking and that passage of the Act would impede further research into its medicinal worth.[

Cannabis and Cannabinoids (PDQ®) - National Cancer Institute

 

[Pogo]

It isn't silly. People decided that this NARCOTIC that is harmful to people to be a controlled substance. Lying about it isn't going to change that. Two states have made pot legal to for rec use. I say we watch them and then let the other states decide. It isn't up to you liberals and fascist libertarians to tell all of us what to do.....Amazing how the two ideologies are alike .

Dude, do you actually believe the shit that you write? Is this your job? Do you get paid to write mindless right-wing bullshit on the internet? Do you even listen to yourself?

"People decided that this NARCOTIC that is harmful to people to be a controlled substance.... It isn't up to you liberals and fascist libertarians to tell all of us what to do."

Do you see how wrong that is? Who are you, fascist, to tell me that this is a dangerous narcotic? I use it every single day so that I don't black out and smash my face into my furniture, and I haven't killed or raped anyone, I've never robbed a liquor store, I don't own a car so I'm not driving over any little kids, so when does this dangerous narcotic turn me into a raping, pillaging axe murderer?

You're opinion is not based on science. Science says that marijuana is medicine, and hemp is a versatile, annually renewable natural resource with thousands of industrial applications.

Search: Shafer Commission 1972. Search: Hemp For Victory. Search: HR 1635.

Please make an effort to learn about the subject on which you are speaking.

You are proof pot fries brain cells.

And you are proof of my theory of Authoritarians. Lost little boy in the woods, looking for a gummint daddy figure to tell you what to do and then slobbering over anything Daddy says. Way to think for yourself, kid.

 

[Pogo]

Please provide some specifics about the "dangers and addictions associated with marijuana use."

Citing first hand experience and knowledge, THC is a debilitating, anxiety and depression inducing substance. That said, if you have no problem with it go ahead and use. But if you blow your THC smoke in my vicinity when I am in public or in any space I have the right to be, I'll shoot you to death in self-defense. Your funeral and my acquittal. I refuse to be held hostage by ignorance. Especially propagated ignorance.

Who's?

Willing to shoot someone because they blow smoke in your direction makes you a ******* psycho in my book. You should start consuming Hash Brownies immediately.

"I'll shoot you to death........"

".... in self-defense" !

 

[Pogo]

No legitimate doctor prescribes or recommends marijuana. Some doctors will stop their treatment and care if they find that the patient is self medicating.

-- Such as... who?

 

[Moonglow]

My VA docs know I have used MJ and tested positive, yet they still treat me......I still receive narcotic painkillers and muscle relaxers, but MJ works better on my conditions of chronic pain and muscle spasm than the drugs they prescribe...When I am out I don't have withdrawal or depression. I simply am used to not having it 24/7..

 

[Harry Dresden]

Dummy maybe if people like you would stop trying to smoke rope they would make hemp legal.

Listen, thanatos, let's just all agree it's silly this plant is illegal. It's not dangerous.

Letting people murder people without consequences is dangerous.
Letting people assault people without consequences is dangerous.
Letting people steal without consequences is dangerous.

But letting people smoke marijuana? That is not dangerous.

Legalize it. The law is silly. Enough with all this garbage.

It isn't silly. People decided that this NARCOTIC that is harmful to people to be a controlled substance. Lying about it isn't going to change that. Two states have made pot legal to for rec use. I say we watch them and then let the other states decide. It isn't up to you liberals and fascist libertarians to tell all of us what to do.....Amazing how the two ideologies are alike .

yea back in the reefer madness days when they knew zero about the stuff.....it was through paranoia about something that jerks like you spread about.....Education is what usually changes peoples minds.....as you can see you paranoid ignorant ***** have lost a lot of ground since the 30's....in another 10 years you people wont even matter anymore when it comes to Pot....

 

[Harry Dresden]

1. Are there any groups pushing for Decriminalization of Marijuana which EMPHASIZE the need to address drug abuse, addiction, and crime AS A PRIORITY and DON'T DENY or playdown the dangers and addictions associated with marijuana use?

[...]

Please provide some specifics about the "dangers and addictions associated with marijuana use."

Citing first hand experience and knowledge, THC is a debilitating, anxiety and depression inducing substance. That said, if you have no problem with it go ahead and use. But if you blow your THC smoke in my vicinity when I am in public or in any space I have the right to be, I'll shoot you to death in self-defense. Your funeral and my acquittal. I refuse to be held hostage by ignorance. Especially propagated ignorance.

oh geezus....another moron.....

 

[Harry Dresden]

No legitimate doctor prescribes or recommends marijuana. Some doctors will stop their treatment and care if they find that the patient is self medicating.

bullshit....the Neurologist at UCI and St.Josephs Med Center said they cant prescribe it but told my wife if it works better than what we give you for your Epilepsy.....go for it.....and the Epilepsy Society of America sent my Wife a letter documenting dozens of cases from Epileptics around the Country who have stated Pot calms their Tremors and Migraines down much more than the ******* drugs they give out without the ******* shitty side effects....

 

[Harry Dresden]

No legitimate doctor prescribes or recommends marijuana. Some doctors will stop their treatment and care if they find that the patient is self medicating.

Why so, Katz?

What if marijuana makes a cancer patient's pain go away, or increases a person's appetite and a doctor would rather prescribe that vs. a prescription drug that has a million side effects and requires the patients to take even more drugs to counteract the side effects? Does marijuana not help people because YOU said so? Millions of people think otherwise.

Marijuana - again - is non toxic and is much, much less harmful to the human body than say highly addictive, deadly drugs like Oxycontin.

Katz, I urge you to open up your mind. What they taught you about marijuana is untrue. Join the movement of sane, rational people and let's get this legalized.

once a person has their head up their ass its hard to pull it out....

 

[Katzndogz]

No legitimate doctor prescribes or recommends marijuana. Some doctors will stop their treatment and care if they find that the patient is self medicating.

Why so, Katz?

What if marijuana makes a cancer patient's pain go away, or increases a person's appetite and a doctor would rather prescribe that vs. a prescription drug that has a million side effects and requires the patients to take even more drugs to counteract the side effects? Does marijuana not help people because YOU said so? Millions of people think otherwise.

Marijuana - again - is non toxic and is much, much less harmful to the human body than say highly addictive, deadly drugs like Oxycontin.

Katz, I urge you to open up your mind. What they taught you about marijuana is untrue. Join the movement of sane, rational people and let's get this legalized.

No one "taught" me anything about marijuana, except for the drug addicts that use it. All I have been "taught" is that it is beneficial and harmless. Experience "taught" me differently.

You are part of the movement of drug addicts justifying their addiction and that is really all you are.

 

[Mr. H.]

Illinois recently passed Medical Marijuana legislation.

But Illinois being Illinois, it could be years before we actually have a working format in place.

That said- I stopped in on a Medical Marijuana facility in Michigan just the other day. The attending physician was very helpful and informative. The office was immaculate and did not smell of weed. He said that he uses highly efficient air filters in his building.

I could see shelves of weed buds in the next room, but he told me that I couldn't go there because I'm not a client. No problem.

We had a great talk. I told him about my brother who's diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic/manic-depressive and likes his smoke. I'd much rather he have a prescription than to buy his shit off the street. He understood, and offered up several suggestions and avenues of approach.

When I got home, I followed up with some phone calls to my brother's physician as well as his psychiatrist. They all said NYET. Ain't gonna go there.

So, it's back to the street.

Illinois- our nation's greatest failure on all fronts.

You want to give a person with mental problems a drug that causes mental problems?

I don't think MJ causes mental problems. It does have its own medicinal properties.

 

[Moonglow]

the main difference also is the ideology of Western chemistry in medicine versus the organic medicines used by the East....