Questions For Evolutionists.

[CrusaderFrank]

Man Didn't Invent the Wheel; One Man Did

It was beyond the animals' mental capacity to ever invent anything, so you're using a false analogy.

How do you know? Termite mounds are as complex as any human metropolis

Here's a fungus growing a rail system better than human engineers

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Your version of events REQUIRES much faith and belief in the opinions of a few, fallible men.

Projection

 

[CrusaderFrank]

This guy must have evolved from an ape.

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apes are better dressers

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

An interesting yet unproven claim. And it ignored my essential statements. I was discussing the first eyes, sex organs, other body parts.

Self-Evolution

Wings first appeared as extra legs that made animals run faster. So more of them would survive, and the legs would soon become wings. Again, I have to believe that those animals chose to become birds. They would unconsciously choose mutations that gave them full wings and suppress any (internal and individual) mutations that interfered with that desire.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

That is a sample of you "trolling" the thread.

Sorry , that's not trolling.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

you admit there are massive holes in the data and claim that no one used educated guesses to fill those holes?

That's right, we used empirical data. You are asking questions a child would ask, in his first exposure to this theory. You need to go read up before attempting to talk about this topic.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Here's a fungus growing a rail system better than human engineers

Because of selection. Selection forced that efficiency. Less efficient models get weeded out. By nonrandom selection.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

That's right, we used empirical data. You are asking questions a child would ask, in his first exposure to this theory. You need to go read up before attempting to talk about this topic.

when there is no connection to things a few thousand years apart that is a guess not data.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

when there is no connection to things a few thousand years apart that is a guess not data.

Says you. But again, you know less than nothing about any of this, so it isn't surprising that you say silly things that scientists do not say.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Says you. But again, you know less than nothing about any of this, so it isn't surprising that you say silly things that scientists do not say.

no scientist claims with any certainty that skulls a few thousand years apart are definitely related they simply do not.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

no scientist claims with any certainty that skulls a few thousand years apart are definitely related they simply do not.

They of course do 100% of the time, as scientists know we all descended from a common ancestor.

Ask any of them. They will tell you that every single hominid fossil they find is more closely related to humans than to apes, and that all of them and humans and apes share a common ancestor.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Because of selection. Selection forced that efficiency. Less efficient models get weeded out. By nonrandom selection.

Why is selection nonrandom ?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Why is selection nonrandom ?

Because physical forces are generally the agent of selection. And they are not random.

Planets are spheroids. They don't come in "cube shapes", or pyramids.

Water molecules do not come in random shapes. The shape of the water molecule is "selected for" by physical forces.

If a selective pressure on a population is, say, hot temperatures, is acts consistently the same way for all individuals. While random mutations happen in all individuals, selection acts constantly and nonrandomly. So the population will tend to form a trait that helps them survive to breed, in the hotter environment. Because the mutations that don't lead to advantages get weeded out.

And if the new, advantageous trait does not emerge in the population, the population gets weeded out entirely. Extinction ensues.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Because physical forces are generally the agent of selection. And they are not random.

Planets are spheroids. They don't come in "cube shapes", or pyramids.

Water molecules do not come in random shapes. The shape of the water molecule is "selected for" by physical forces.

If a selective pressure on a population is, say, hot temperatures, is acts consistently the same way for all individuals. While random mutations happen in all individuals, selection acts constantly and nonrandomly. So the population will tend to form a trait that helps them survive to breed, in the hotter environment. Because the mutations that don't lead to advantages get weeded out.

Are you claiming that water molecules "evolved" from random collisions?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Are you claiming that water molecules "evolved" from random collisions?

Every molecule in the early universe formed that way. While the collisions were random, the selection forces operating on them were not. So we got different molecules with stable structures.

 

[ReinyDays]

Why is selection nonrandom ?

The mutations are random ... the mutations that survive are based on the benefit they confer ... that benefit is not random ... very specific qualities are "selected", whether naturally or artificially ...

Every sheep breeder knows to destroy non-optimum lambs ... not worth feeding or vet care ... have you never visited a farm? ... each one of those animals is carefully selected, crossing just the right set of parents and destroying (eating) all the sub-standard babies ... especially rams ...

The males of just about every species are sick bastards better dead than living such a useless life ...

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The mutations are random ... the mutations that survive are based on the benefit they confer ... that benefit is not random ... very specific qualities are "selected", whether naturally or artificially ...

Every sheep breeder knows to destroy non-optimum lambs ... not worth feeding or vet care ... have you never visited a farm? ... each one of those animals is carefully selected, crossing just the right set of parents and destroying (eating) all the sub-standard babies ... especially rams ...

The males of just about every species are sick bastards better dead than living such a useless life ...

So you're saying there's an intelligence guiding and informing the selection process...awesome

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

So you're saying there's an intelligence guiding and informing the selection process...awesome

He didn't state or imply any such thing.

If you have to make up childish lies to have anything to say, you don't have anything to say.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

He didn't state or imply any such thing.

If you have to make up childish lies to have anything to say, you don't have anything to say.

Sheep breeders selecting animals is what -- random?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Sheep breeders selecting animals is what -- random?

No selection is random. Are you even reading the answers I'm giving to your questions?