Zone1 Question for the Catholics: is This True?

[Carl in Michigan]

If so this is quite a great step forward. He deserves respect for this positive statement

 

[Natural Citizen]

So I presume, then, that you have to click on the guy's video to see what the topic is about? To find out why you want to discuss whatever it is in the video and why you think that whatever is in the video is important to discuss?

Yeah, no, I, for one, will pass on that brand of Mickey Mousery.

A lot of you guys really suck at starting threads.

 

[ding]

If so this is quite a great step forward. He deserves respect for this positive statement

Are you trying to gas light Catholics? That's pretty sad. See Proverbs 22:8

 

[Crepitus]

If so this is quite a great step forward. He deserves respect for this positive statement

Why would you want Catholics to stop praying to Mary?

 

[ding]

The idiocy continues.

 

[Votto]

The idiocy continues.

But I thought everyone likes the circus.

 

[onefour1]

Jesus taught us to pray to our Heavenly Father and not to Mary. It is an apostate practice.

 

[ding]

Jesus taught us to pray to our Heavenly Father and not to Mary. It is an apostate practice.

Which practice is bearing false witness?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Are you trying to gas light Catholics? That's pretty sad. See Proverbs 22:8

So you can't answer the simple question? So far you're the only Catholic to respond to a simple and sincere question. Instead you resort to personal attacks.

I'll wait for a decent Catholic to verify this.

 

[Meriweather]

So you can't answer the simple question? So far you're the only Catholic to respond to a simple and sincere question. Instead you resort to personal attacks.

I'll wait for a decent Catholic to verify this.

The OP may be confusing a fictional Pope Leo XIV (a fictional character following Pope Leo XIII in the early 1900s). Pope Leo XIII had encouraged Catholics to pray the Rosary.

An interesting point the Vatican and the actual Pope Leo XIV did make recently, was to state clearly Mary should not be viewed as "co-redeemer". The Vatican (and the Pope) confirm that Mary is, in fact, part of God's plan for redemption, but not as a co-redeemer, but as the mother God chose for Jesus, our redeemer.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

The OP may be confusing a fictional Pope Leo XIV (a fictional character following Pope Leo XIII in the early 1900s). Pope Leo XIII had encouraged Catholics to pray the Rosary.

An interesting point the Vatican and the actual Pope Leo XIV did make recently, was to state clearly Mary should not be viewed as "co-redeemer". The Vatican (and the Pope) confirm that Mary is, in fact, part of God's plan for redemption, but not as a co-redeemer, but as the mother God chose for Jesus, our redeemer.

Dumb it down for me. A simple yes, no, or I don't know.

Did the current Pope make it his statement or not? If none of you can or will answer this simple question I will find out on my own

I just thought it was something worth discussing

 

[The Irish Ram]

Why would you want Catholics to stop praying to Mary?

Why pray to a creation when you can pray to the Creator?

Jesus never ever said to pray to His mother.

 

[Meriweather]

Dumb it down for me. A simple yes, no, or I don't know.

Did the current Pope make it his statement or not? If none of you can or will answer this simple question I will find out on my own

I just thought it was something worth discussing

What more do you need to know? I told you the OP seemed to be referencing a fictional Leo IV that fictionally held this position when Leo XIII (the real pope) had been emphasizing praying the rosary. The current real Pope (Leo XIV), along with the Vatican, did make one recent statement regarding Mary: She does not hold the title of "co-redeemer".

Clear enough? And why did you think this was something worth discussing? You are interested in what a fictional Leo IV said back in the early 1900s? Why?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Lz

What more do you need to know? I told you the OP seemed to be referencing a fictional Leo IV that fictionally held this position when Leo XIII (the real pope) had been emphasizing praying the rosary. The current real Pope (Leo XIV), along with the Vatican, did make one recent statement regarding Mary: She does not hold the title of "co-redeemer".

Clear enough? And why did you think this was something worth discussing? You are interested in what a fictional Leo IV said back in the early 1900s? Why?

No
Yes
No
I don't know

 

[Meriweather]

Jesus never ever said to pray to His mother.

Remember what he said about two or three gathering in his name?

 

[The Irish Ram]

Remember what he said about two or three gathering in his name?

Matthew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

I don't see the connection with that verse and praying to Mary.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

 

[Carl in Michigan]

 

[Carl in Michigan]

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Since I can't get a simple, honest answer from the members here who love their Mary worship, I went to the source

The videos are correct as I read it

Co-redemptrix

17. The title “Co-redemptrix” first appeared in the fifteenth century as a correction to the invocation “Redemptrix” (as an abbreviated form of the title, “Mother of the Redeemer”), which had been attributed to Mary since the tenth century. Saint Bernard assigned Mary a role at the foot of the Cross that gave rise to the title “Co-redemptrix,” which first appears in an anonymous fifteenth-century hymn from Salzburg.[31] Although the designation “Redemptrix” persisted throughout the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, it disappeared entirely in the eighteenth century, having been replaced by the title “Co-redemptrix.” Theological research on Mary’s cooperation in Christ’s Redemption in the first half of the twentieth century led to a deeper understanding of what the title “Co-redemptrix” signifies.[32]

18. Some Popes have used the title “Co-redemptrix” without elaborating much on its meaning.[33] Generally, they have presented the title in two specific ways: in reference to Mary’s divine motherhood (insofar as she, as Mother, made possible the Redemption that Christ accomplished[34]) or in reference to her union with Christ at the redemptive Cross.[35] The Second Vatican Council refrained from using the title for dogmatic, pastoral, and ecumenical reasons. Saint John Paul II referred to Mary as “Co-redemptrix” on at least seven occasions, particularly relating this title to the salvific value of our sufferings when they are offered together with the sufferings of Christ, to whom Mary is united especially at the Cross.[36]

19. In the Feria IV meeting on 21 February 1996, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, who was the Prefect of the then Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, was asked whether the request from the movement Vox Populi Mariae Mediatrici to define a dogma declaring Mary as the “Co-redemptrix” or “Mediatrix of All Graces” was acceptable. In his personal votum, he replied: “Negative. The precise meaning of these titles is not clear, and the doctrine contained in them is not mature. A defined doctrine of divine faith belongs to the Depositum Fidei — that is, to the divine revelation conveyed in Scripture and the apostolic tradition. However, it is not clear how the doctrine expressed in these titles is present in Scripture and the apostolic tradition.”[37] Later, in 2002, he publicly voiced his opinion against the use of the title:

Mater Populi fidelis - Doctrinal Note on Some Marian Titles Regarding Mary’s Cooperation in the Work of Salvation (4 November 2025)

Mater Populi fidelis - Doctrinal Note on Some Marian Titles Regarding Mary’s Cooperation in the Work of Salvation (4 November 2025)

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