Question for our Democrats, progressives and liberals

[Hellokitty]

Trump is seeking to get rid of the U.S. penny.

It purportedly costs us 3 cents to make each 1 cent coin.

So: question time for our more left posting members:

Is there anything wrong with Trump’s decision to get rid of the U.S. mint’s productions of pennies? Or, is this one thing which Trump has proposed which you folks might actually approve of?

Dems talking points on TRUMP killing the penny haven't been released.

 

[percysunshine]

Trump is seeking to get rid of the U.S. penny.

It purportedly costs us 3 cents to make each 1 cent coin.

So: question time for our more left posting members:

Is there anything wrong with Trump’s decision to get rid of the U.S. mint’s productions of pennies? Or, is this one thing which Trump has proposed which you folks might actually approve of?

Ah, this is one of those 'A penny for your thoughts' threads. Pretty soon, we won't be able to do these anymore.

That is my two cents worth anyway.

 

[Orangecat]

As if you ever do.

Nice job, PeeWee.

 

[BackAgain]

I posted a fact for you. You dismissed it. It showed my position perfectly.

You posted a contention. And you remain wrong in your belief that it supports your point. It doesn’t.

You just don’t like the fact that I refuted that incorrect claim you had made.

Too bad.

 

[BackAgain]

Ah, this is one of those 'A penny for your thoughts' threads. Pretty soon, we won't be able to do these anymore.

That is my two cents worth anyway.

The pun is the lowest form of humor. It is the basis of many “dad jokes.”

I like it.

 

[pknopp]

You posted a contention.

No, I posted about the actual case.

 

[San Souci]

As if you ever do.

He's right. Your wrong. (Snicker). Ooops--I left out the contraction also. Guess lefties give me bad habits.

 

[BackAgain]

No, I posted about the actual case.

No. You didn’t

Here it is for the uninformed (like you):

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/19pdf/18-587_5ifl.pdf

Read it. Learn it.

How was DACA created in the first place? Easy: an Obumbler executive action?

How did Trump seek to undo it? Easy: an executive action.

If the SCOTUS was suddenly concerned with whether there was an alleged violation of the Administrative Procedures Act (such as the provision blocked notice provisions), then presumably it should similarly have contemplated if the Obumbler executive action which created it (in the first place) was equally invalid.

Again, you show you don’t actually care about the legal merits. You care only about the outcome.

DACA remains a shitty example of what you were vainly hoping to demonstrate.

 

[percysunshine]

So anyway, this idea that the cost of making a penny being two pennies as a reason to not make any is silly.
Minting is not a business where you make a widget at a certain cost and then sell it for a profit, thus justifying making it. This is the government we are talking about. You make pennies or dollars or F-35 fighter jets if you need them. Do you think that when the government spends, say, $1000 on healthcare, someone recieves $1000 worth of healthcare? Dream on. Someone likely gets $100 worth of healthcare and the rest is overhead. By that standard, if a penny costs only two cents to make, it is probably one of the most efficient things the government does.

 

[martybegan]

Except for hoarding or collecting some pennies for numismatic reasons, there’s a good chance that the supply will gradually diminish. The government can arrange for a program to take back the old coins and melt them down.

They would remain legal tender for a substantial period, the Fed would just start taking bunches of them out of circulation via exchanges.

 

[pknopp]

No. You didn’t

Here it is for the uninformed (like you):

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/19pdf/18-587_5ifl.pdf

Read it. Learn it.

How was DACA created in the first place? Easy: an Obumbler executive action?

How did Trump seek to undo it? Easy: an executive action.

If the SCOTUS was suddenly concerned with whether there was an alleged violation of the Administrative Procedures Act (such as the provision blocked notice provisions), then presumably it should similarly have contemplated if the Obumbler executive action which created it (in the first place) was equally invalid.

Again, you show you don’t actually care about the legal merits. You care only about the outcome.

DACA remains a shitty example of what you were vainly hoping to demonstrate.

The Supreme Court ruled against Trump for not properly addressing the overturn of DACA. The same court we have today.

 

[BackAgain]

The Supreme Court ruled against Trump for not properly addressing the overturn of DACA. The same court we have today.

They ruled against Trump for silly reasons that barely withstand any serious scrutiny.

(On that score, I see you chose not to respond. Understandable.)

Also, not the “same court” we have today. You know it’s now 2025, don’t you?

 

[pknopp]

They ruled against Trump for silly reasons that barely withstand any serious scrutiny.

(On that score, I see you chose not to respond. Understandable.)

Also, not the “same court” we have today. You know it’s now 2025, don’t you?

Same people. I'll take the courts opinion over yours.

 

[BackAgain]

Same people. I'll take the courts opinion over yours.

Not the same people. Your ongoing ignorance is showing.

And you’re free to accept anybody’s opinion or reject any.

So what?

Facts remain facts.

And it’s still true that if failure to fully comply with things like the notice provision of the administrative procedures act can be the basis for denying Trump the ability to vacate a prior executive action, then that same rational should apply to the prior executive action.

But feel free to keep running away.

 

[BackAgain]

When the Obumbler Administration fiated DACA into existence, I wonder if they had complied with DACA.

If not, then why should it be considered valid?

 

[j-mac]

Even an appearance of a conflict of interest should be completely avoided in politics.

When it comes to a conflict of interest, appearance is as important as reality.

Trump is looking at the books, and downsizing the Government. Nothing different than Presidents in the past....Clinton comes to mind....

 

[pknopp]

Trump is looking at the books, and downsizing the Government. Nothing different than Presidents in the past....Clinton comes to mind....

The Congress is getting ready to raise the debt ceiling.

 

[Dante]

Trump is seeking to get rid of the U.S. penny.

It purportedly costs us 3 cents to make each 1 cent coin.

So: question time for our more left posting members:

Is there anything wrong with Trump’s decision to get rid of the U.S. mint’s productions of pennies? Or, is this one thing which Trump has proposed which you folks might actually approve of?

Pennies? They do not exist in a vacuum, unless of course we;re speaking of Trump's great big brain:

Nickels. Look up Nickels.

Weller said doing away with the penny would prompt the U.S. Mint to increase production of the nickel. According to the U.S. Mint, the cost of minting a single nickel is nearly 14 cents, almost three times the coin's face value and more than three-and-a-half times the cost of minting a penny.

"Without the penny, nickel production could nearly double, which would increase the Mint's losses," Weller said. "So, it's just hard to understand how you could produce more nickels that are losing more money than the penny and say you're going to save money."

"Can people trust, fully trust a convicted felon?"

 

[Dante]

I have no issue with ending production as long as it's done in a correct legal manner.

Think again

"nickels"

"Can people trust, fully trust a convicted felon?"

 

[Dante]

Pretty much will have to be.

Although, if there is any basis to oppose the move, it’s a sure thing the matter will end up in a court decision, because of mindless TDS and the need to obstruct Trump.

It will not have anything to do with the made-up bs TDS.

The only people with a syndrome related to djt, are people stuck in a cult-of-personality

The Nickel. Pennies do not exist in a vacuum. Not anti-Trump, but arguments about how to stop over spending -- Trump/Musk cure worse than any dis-ease


"Can people trust, fully trust a convicted felon?"