Putting an end to an ubiquitous meme from Trump loyalists

[berg80]

They knew what they were paying for and what they were getting.

Lie. No one in the campaign knew GPS had hired Steele, who he was, or anything about what he would find nor the methods he would use. Nor did they actually use his findings during the campaign.

 

[kyzr]

No..he didn't. Trump put himself on the radar because he hired and consorted with people who were deemed to be a national security risk.
The meeting at Trump Tower to obtain the emails that Wikileaks had stolen is all the evidence of collusion you need.
Donald Trump was a victim of his own corruption and abject stupidity. He had no interest in actually doing the job of President.
He just like all the power and accolades that came a long with it.
But you're right. See you in November. I don't think this will turn out like you think it will. It's already starting to turn.

1. The Mueller Investigation proved that democrat claims are total bullshit, like Hillary calling Tulsi Gabbard a "Russian Asset".
2. The meeting in Trump tower was debunked, do keep up. Google it.
3. Trump was about 1,000,000x better as president than senile Joe.
4. Agreed, we'll see in November who voters prefer.

 

[CowboyTed]

Hillary and the DNC colluded with Russians, and paid Russians for the Steele Dossier hoax.

Steele dossier - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Obama used the power of the DOJ, FBI, CIA and other Federal agencies to illegally spy on and setup Trump for failure. Operations Crossfire Hurricane and Razor, the Mueller Investigation, Russian Collusion Hoax, the MSM's constant 95% negative coverage and "fake news", Never-Trump Republicans, the Lincoln Project, globalists of every stripe, the entrenched Deep State who all oppose Trump's policies, the planted leakers and whistle-blowers, and the RINOs who'd rather shill for K-Street than work for main street. Then add to all of that the outright hatred shown by the House democrats toward Trump, to the point of "non-crime" Impeachment Articles, twice!!

You can keep whining about Trump since the Biden admin is such a disaster.
See you in November.

The Steele Dossier was opposition research initially done by GOP politicians...

Are you saying that opposition research should be banned...

Trump done a fair bit of it himself.. You have no evidence of Russian colluded with the DNC but there is proof of Trump working with them...

So stop bullshit about it being a hoax... It is very real...

 

[berg80]

No one was charged with or conviticed of any type of collusion with Russia or Putin end of story.

Technically that's not accurate. Papadopoulos was convicted for lying about his meeting with Mifsud. And we know Mueller didn't indict Trump for obstruction because of the OLC prohibition on charging a sitting prez with a crime. But he did produce ample evidence of said crime as pointed out by hundreds of prosecutors. Donnie J was not charged because of his ignorance of the law and because of the difficulty in assigning a financial value to the dirt he sought from the Russian government.

But I sincerely appreciate you responding in a way other than posting a cartoon.

 

[berg80]

The meeting in Trump tower was debunked, do keep up.

Debunked in what way? From Mueller..........

The Office considered whether this evidence would establish a conspiracy to violate the foreign contributions ban . . . solicitation of an illegal foreign-source contribution; or the acceptance or receipt of “an express or implied promise to make a [foreign-source] contribution” . . . There are reasonable arguments that the offered information would constitute a “thing of value” within the meaning of these provisions, but the Office determined that the government would not be likely to obtain and sustain a conviction for two other reasons: first, the Office did not obtain admissible evidence likely to meet the government’s burden to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that these individuals acted “willfully,” i.e. with general knowledge of the illegality of their conduct; and, second, the government would likely encounter difficulty proving beyond a reasonable doubt that the value of the promised information exceeded the threshold for a criminal violation.

 

[kyzr]

Lie. No one in the campaign knew GPS had hired Steele, who he was, or anything about what he would find nor the methods he would use. Nor did they actually use his findings during the campaign.

LIAR.
LOL!! So the Hillary campaign and the DNC paid for oppo research supposedly linking Trump to Russians, without knowing that they were hiring real Russians? Plausible deniability? That's laughable. You know damn well the dems knew what they were paying for.

Quotes from wiki:
Yes the Steele Dossier was published by Buzzfeed. It was also given to the FBI:
"The dossier's 17 reports allege that Trump campaign members and Russian operatives had conspired to cooperate in Russia's election interference to benefit Trump.[23] It also alleges that Russia sought to damage Hillary Clinton's candidacy.[24] BuzzFeed's decision to publish the reports without verifying their allegations was criticized by journalists[25][26] and defended by a court ruling."

"The U.S. intelligence community took the allegations seriously,[32] and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) investigated every line of the dossier and identified and spoke with at least two of Steele's sources"

 

[berg80]

LOL!! So the Hillary campaign and the DNC paid for oppo research supposedly linking Trump to Russians, without knowing that they were hiring real Russians?

Yes. It is not the practice of firms like GPS to explain their methods or sources to clients. Glenn Simpson testified under oath that Mark Elias, who hired them, nor anyone involved in the campaign knew of Steele or what he was doing. Sorry the facts blow up your false belief.

The Inside Story of Christopher Steeleâs Trump Dossier

In a new book, the founders of the firm that compiled it defend their work.

www.newyorker.com

 

[kyzr]

Debunked in what way? From Mueller..........

The Office considered whether this evidence would establish a conspiracy to violate the foreign contributions ban . . . solicitation of an illegal foreign-source contribution; or the acceptance or receipt of “an express or implied promise to make a [foreign-source] contribution” . . . There are reasonable arguments that the offered information would constitute a “thing of value” within the meaning of these provisions, but the Office determined that the government would not be likely to obtain and sustain a conviction for two other reasons: first, the Office did not obtain admissible evidence likely to meet the government’s burden to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that these individuals acted “willfully,” i.e. with general knowledge of the illegality of their conduct; and, second, the government would likely encounter difficulty proving beyond a reasonable doubt that the value of the promised information exceeded the threshold for a criminal violation.

Debunked as in "proven to be a setup by Fusion GPS.
From FXN:
"CNN has essentially implemented an anti-Trump programming strategy, but industry watchdogs have expressed disbelief that the network continues to stand by the Trump Tower story. Media analyst Jeffrey McCall told Fox News that the situation “demonstrates exactly why so many news consumers give the media low credibility scores” in this era."

Facts Of The Trump Tower Meeting Are Incriminating, But Not For Trump

The real colluders with Russia are the Democrats, intelligence agencies, and corporate media. The facts about the Trump Tower meeting only reinforce that.

thefederalist.com

"Somebody colluded with Russia, and it wasn’t Donald Trump. Veselnitskaya and Akhmetshin were working to repeal the Magnitsky Act for the Kremlin with none other than Fusion GPS, the same opposition research firm the DNC and Clinton campaign had hired in April 2016 to dig up—or create—ties between Trump and Russia.
Fusion’s Glenn Simpson met with Veselnitskaya and Akhmetshin both before and after that Trump Tower meeting. Simpson told Congress he had no idea that the two Russians were meeting with the Trump team, but Fusion GPS even provided the materials and handouts for the meeting in question."

 

[Indeependent]

Ah yes, libtard. One of my favorites.

It's why Trumpleton's will employ every tool for denial, deflection, and of course gratuitous insults (their stock and trade) in response to this thread.

I know LibTards and RightTards and I avoid them like the plague.
I can deal with Left of Center Democrats and Right of Center Republicans; I can't deal with LeftTards or RightTards.

 

[blackhawk]

Technically that's not accurate. Papadopoulos was convicted for lying about his meeting with Mifsud. And we know Mueller didn't indict Trump for obstruction because of the OLC prohibition on charging a sitting prez with a crime. But he did produce ample evidence of said crime as pointed out by hundreds of prosecutors. Donnie J was not charged because of his ignorance of the law and because of the difficulty in assigning a financial value to the dirt he sought from the Russian government.

But I sincerely appreciate you responding in a way other than posting a cartoon.

So again no one was charged with or conviticed of any type of collusion making false or misleading statements to the FBI is not collusion Manafort and Gates were conviticed of white collar crimes which is also not Russian collusion. It's obvious how badly you want to believe this Russian collusion nonsense but the plain simple truth is no one colluded with Russia to steal the 2016 election from Hillary just as there was no massive voter fraud that cost Trump the 2020 election. If you and others want to keep beating theses two dead horses that is your right but you are changing nothing and the only thing really being proven is people not being able to accept an election result they didn't like.

 

[Oddball]

The rebuttal is the results that the moonbats have.....


ZILCH!

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

This fool is trying to revive the debunked Russian collusion fiasco, weak and pathetic. The Dems are in a panic,.

They are SCARED!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[kyzr]

Yes. It is not the practice of firms like GPS to explain their methods or sources to clients. Glenn Simpson testified under oath that Mark Elias, who hired them, nor anyone involved in the campaign knew of Steele or what he was doing. Sorry the facts blow up your false belief.

Total bullshit. You can try to tell me that the Hillary Campaign and the DNC pay millions of dollars without knowing what they are getting or how they are getting it. They would risk their presidential campaign on false oppo research? The simple fact is that Hillary and the DNC paid Russians for dirt on Trump.

 

[Flash]

Hundreds of former prosecutors say Trump would have been indicted if he were not president

Thousands of former prosecutors say that Crooked Hillary would have been indicted if she had not been the Democrat Presidential nominee.

 

[berg80]

"CNN has essentially implemented an anti-Trump programming strategy, but industry watchdogs have expressed disbelief that the network continues to stand by the Trump Tower story.

See post #66. Mueller considered charging Donnie J. because of the illegality of what he did.

 

[berg80]

You can try to tell me that the Hillary Campaign and the DNC pay millions of dollars without knowing what they are getting or how they are getting it.

Of course it's your choice as to whether you believe the truth or not. How the hell could they know what they were getting in advance of getting it? If they knew what they were getting why pay for it?

You should read Simpson's book or his congressional testimony. I have.

 

[kyzr]

The Steele Dossier was opposition research initially done by GOP politicians...
Are you saying that opposition research should be banned...
Trump done a fair bit of it himself.. You have no evidence of Russian colluded with the DNC but there is proof of Trump working with them...
So stop bullshit about it being a hoax... It is very real...

1. Mueller investigated the Trump collusion hoax. Nada. Zero "proof". LIAR.
2. Mueller did NOT investigate the Russia Collusion by the Hillary Campaign and the DNC to get the Steele Dossier, where they actually paid Russians for oppo research.

Trump's collusion is a hoax, Hillary's collusion is real.

 

[berg80]

Thousands of former prosecutors say that Crooked Hillary would have been indicted if she had not been the Democrat Presidential nominee.

Do you have something to offer on the subject of the thread?

 

[The Irish Ram]

It has been asserted hundreds of times by occupants of Trumpworld........the collusion hoax. It comes up in all manner of contexts. Most recently as a way to dismiss the 1/6 committee's work. Let's see what the facts say.

Manafort conspired with Kilimnik to give the Kremlin internal polling data. US says Russia was given Trump campaign polling data in 2016
Polling data that could have been useful for Putin in targeting Americans with the social media campaign he used to help Don get elected.

Russian fake accounts showed posts to 126 million Facebook users

Executives from Facebook, Twitter and Google will all be appearing before the Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime and Terrorism on Tuesday.

www.usatoday.com

Donnie J entered in to a conspiracy with Russians to obtain dirt on Hillary he was told was in the possession of the Russian government. Mueller Confirms: Don Jr. Was Too Stupid to Collude

Those two incidents alone prove a conspiracy.

There's this.. FBI documents reveal communication between Stone, Assange

Which coincides with this...https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/12/trump-had-call-with-roger-stone-about-wikileaks-rick-gates-says.html

Not to mention this...............Guide to the Mueller Report’s Findings on “Collusion”
and this.......A Collusion Reading Diary: What Did the Senate Intelligence Committee Find?
and this in regard to the evidence Trump obstructed Mueller's investigation. Obstruction of Justice in the Mueller Report: A Heat Map
and this......

Hundreds of former prosecutors say Trump would have been indicted if he were not president

President Donald Trump would have been indicted for obstruction of justice in special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation if he did not hold the nation's highest office, nearly 700 former federal prosecutors argued in an open letter published on Medium on Monday.

The ex-prosecutors — who have served under both Republican and Democratic administrations dating back to President Dwight D. Eisenhower — said Attorney General William Barr's decision not to charge Trump with obstruction "runs counter to logic and our experience."
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...ay-trump-would-have-been-indicted-if-n1002436

All of which creates, for Trumpleton's, the same level of cognitive dissonance Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony has created. Shattering the duplicitous narrative right wing media has pushed from the beginning about the events surrounding 1/6.

It's why Trumpleton's will employ every tool for denial, deflection, and of course gratuitous insults (their stock and trade) in response to this thread.

There are none so blind....

 

[berg80]

Mueller investigated the Trump collusion hoax. Nada. Zero "proof". LIAR.

See post #1.